if Bernie can undo some of Obama's mess, great.

With actual progressives, Obama is at best a mixed bag, at worst... well I won't go there.

Senator Sanders actually is, what '08 candidate Obama pretended to be and then some.

policy wise. He was against individual mandates, for example, and hammered Hilary from the right over them. The plan that he adopted was much, much closer to Hilary's plan than the one he advocated.

Also, somehow lefties failed to recognize that Obama basically ran as a triangulator extraordinaire. People were so caught up in the cult of personality that they hardly scrutinized his actual policies.

bile SPEWS from the Hillary crowd.

Btw, to translate, according to Hillary, Obama espousing the liberal ideals that unified the party in 2008 is "triangulation."

Or just don't remember Obama's and Hillary's debate over healthcare in 2008?

In the Jan. 21, 2008, presidential primary debate in South Carolina, Edwards criticized Obama's plan for its lack of a mandate. Obama responded, "A mandate means that in some fashion, everybody will be forced to buy health insurance." Instead of going that route, his plan, he said, "emphasizes lowering costs."

Obama held that position throughout the campaign. Elect Hillary, he said, and the government will compel you to buy health insurance. Elect me, and I'll give you lower costs and let you keep your freedom.

One Obama TV ad drove the point home: "Hillary Clinton's attacking, but what's she not telling you about her health care plan? It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don't."

Still smarting over 2008?

SHE is the only one who can continue Obama's ideas . . . Even though she hated them in 2008.
SHE is the only one who can replace him . . . Even though that is growing ever less likely that she will win the nomination.
SHE is the bestest, smartest, most experienced on foreign affairs . . . Even though her decisions and staffing caused international problems, rather than solve them.

Proven by her vote for the Iraq war.

Obama opposed the Iraq war, beat Hilary partly because of that opposition and her vote for the authorization of the use of force. But you know what, he still chose her as his SOS and she served him effectively and loyally. TO argue that she shouldn't be president because of one long ago vote, is to argue that Obama somehow made a huge mistake in judgment in appointing and trusting her.

Not sure why that would be a winning argument over the long term.

of course, is that the Obama administration is tacitly supporting Hillary as Obama himself waits for our nominee.

One explanation I read is that Bernie is promoting himself as, forgot the term, but moving forward from where Obama has taken us, whereas Hillary is promoting herself as protecting and building on the Obama legacy.

In any case, most of the far-left wing that really enjoys attacking Obama seems to be clustered right here. I'm not interested, I want positivity, that can-do attitude, and I think snapping at Obama's heels instead of concentrating on the heroic change Bernie promises would be a bad mistake.

candidate that people can actually relate to. That's why many voters will show up. I also believe that the harder the establishment pushes against Bernie, the more motivation there will be to get him elected.

things to get elected, but they were both bait and switch candidates. They either were or became the establishment for the 1%
Bernie is not that. I registered as a dem here in Oregon so I can vote for Bernie in the primaries. I am guessing I am not the only one to do that.

any more than I relate to thinking I can positive-think my way to utopia.

I do relate to clearly stated progressive goals that advance the wellbeing of everyone in our nation and clearly stated paths to achieving them. Hillary offers America those.

So far Sanders very markedly has not. I want to know a lot more before he gets my vote.

Hillary on the Issues and what she plans to do about them:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Citizens united. Got it? Try again. You Hillarites are getting funnier by the day

And I think Obama made many tactical and strategic errors. I'm trying to make neutral observations at the moment. Sanders has been muted in his criticism of Obama, but his campaign actually amounts to a pretty thorough rejection of not just Clintonism, but Obamaism.

I'm just wondering if he can pull that off, as it becomes more explicit.

I think it will have to become more explicit that he is running as the transcender and not the continuation of Obama if he is to pull this off. But I think the more explicit it becomes the harder it gets for him.

Whether Sanders can do it or not remains to be seen. He's made a great start and he has an excellent opportunity to rid the party of the Clinton stain. If he fails, we all lose, because the fractures in the coalition are now so glaringly apparent that they cannot be healed. And they especially cannot be ignored. They must be acknowledge or the party will break apart.

he's running to restore the party to it's historic FDR-roots, a party of the people, the workers,
the 'little people' who have no voice unless they organize effectively, the party that fights
for the rights of racial minorities, the poor, the otherwise disenfranchised, the people getting
spat-on and abused by big money interests.

That's a very different thing, than remaking it 'in his own image" .. but speaking to your
question re: Obama: Bernie so far has been clear that he supports many of Obama's notable
achievements, with Iran nuke deal, salvaging a crashed economy, getting out of Iraq, etc.
But he reserves the right to also disagree with Obama where he's fallen short of his hope
& change vision, i.e. Dodd/Frank loopholes, Wall St.-friendly appointments, etc.

You're right of course, it is a fine line Bernie's walking, but I think so far he's been refreshingly
truthful and candid about where the agreements and differences are, and i applaud him for
that.

Especially the first sentence.

Presidents...FDR. He doesn't need to go across the Pond.

"Infatuation"....Really? Sad.

Then there is: "just a pretty arrow slice of the democratic coalition is involved, and where realism almost never plays a role." I'm assuming you meant "narrow".

What an insult to Iowans. For shame.

Give your opinion, but please do so without insulting, or otherwise mischaracterizing fellow Democrats.

Thank you.

He is Against too big to fail banks and cronie capitalisam, and candidates who sell out too big money over the needs of the people.

If Hillary thinks her Iraq vote was her greatest foreign policy blunder, she needs to visit the ME but this time with her eyes open.

was a message of visionary? For a state of the union it was about looking ahead
and Sanders can move it forward. The abyss is what Obama inherited and we're
not in that same hole now due to him but our political system remains controlled
by gerrymandering, disaffected voters, more Republicans than Democrats seated
in the congress and Senate. They're obstructionists who are not going to
go along and compromise..it is time to build a 50 state strategy to defeat them,
they proved they are not a functioning body.

No matter what Obama wanted to do, they put up road blocks, the establishment
Republicans don't know what to do with them either. They're just as confounded and
understand that dysfunction makes them vulnerable in congressional seats.