2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie and Israel: It's complicated
If Bernie Sanders defeats Hillary Clinton to win the Democratic nomination, he'll be the first Jewish presidential nominee of a major political party.
But when it comes to his views on Israel, some Jewish Democrats are scratching their heads in confusion.
"His voting record on Israel recently is fine, absolutely fine," said Steve Rabinowitz, a media consultant and former Clinton White House aide who supports Clinton. "I havent heard him once talk about it on the campaign trail. Its as though he doesn't utter the world Israel. It just strikes me as odd.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-israel-218149#ixzz3yBbiAZqw
Pretty in depth article for those who are interested in this topic.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I know Obama has.
Clinton? Not sure.
O'Malley, also not sure.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I believe the Democratic party position is the Israelis need to return to the 67 Green Line with negotiated adjustments for security/
cali
(114,904 posts)Bernie actually uttered some criticism of the Gaza attack, albeit mild.
Hill Hawk sex Bernie endangers Israel.
Hey that is what you get supporting a neocon hawk.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I read a bunch when he first announced.
Oh, here's his town hall where he blows up and tells a constituent to shut up:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/bernie-sanders-stance-on-israel-is-more-of-the-same-ole-same-ole/207529/
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That was a rude protester who wouldn't let Bernie answer the question, they were only there to disrupt.
What does that prove?
cali
(114,904 posts)what went on at that town hall.
And here, kitty:
Clinton baits Sanders over destruction of Israel
Israels interests are becoming an explicit issue in the Democratic nomination to be president. The Clinton campaign says Bernie Sanderss recent comments about Iran are risking Israels security. Sanders wants to normalize relations with a country that seeks the destruction of Israel, the campaign says. And his ideas for Iranian ground troops in Syria would put Israels enemy right on Israels doorstep.
The swipes are featured in a new video of Jake Sullivan, a senior foreign policy adviser to Clinton. He first blasts Sanders for suggesting that Iran take a more active role against ISIS in Syria. Sanders has said, Iran has to join us
I think the folks that have got to be on the ground are the people who are fighting for the soul of Islam. That is not American troops, that is troops from the region. They cant sit it out.
Sullivan said:
It would be putting more Iranian firepower right on Israels doorstep.
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/clinton-attacks-sanders-for-wanting-to-put-iranian-troops-on-israels-doorstep#sthash.VLKSuMlJ.dpuf
And have another helping, kitty.
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Sanders believes the Israeli attacks that killed hundreds of innocent people including many women and children in bombings of civilian neighborhoods and UN controlled schools, hospitals, and refugee camps were disproportionate, and the widespread killing of civilians is completely unacceptable. Israels actions took an enormous human toll, and appeared to strengthen support for Hamas and may well be sowing the seeds for even more hatred, war and destruction in future years.
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https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/how-bernie-sanders-reacted-to-israels-attacks-on-gaza-and-his-position-on-israelpalestine/
Hill is a Netanyahu bud as well.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)"said Steve Rabinowitz, a media consultant and former Clinton White House aide who supports Clinton."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It all makes sense now.
Yes, the Clinton surrogates are going there.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Jew baiting, red baiting.
And discussion at all is SHUT UP for Sanders supporter unless it involves reverently kissing his butt.
Considering how many Sanders supporters relentlessly called many DU'er Obama worshippers, it's highly ironic.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why should we listen to Hillary's shills when they exploit Israel?
Because it's not like they didn't use racist dog whistles in 2008 or anything, amirite?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Of course he doesn't mention it. He knows that many Americans are anti-Semitic and he is trying to keep those people out of the conversation.
It looks like Clinton surrogates are now going to go down that road.
This is starting to look a lot like Hillary's "I take him at his word" non-answer about Barack Obama's religious affiliation.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)-Bernie-
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)All they are doing is legitimizing these types of comments if Bernie is the nominee.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Day in and day out, relentless slinging of ANY garbage at Hillary.
It's been going on for many, many months.
O'Malley has escaped mostly because of his low numbers, I suppose.
And Sanders supporters crow about his supposed "favorability" when he's essentially in a virginal state when it comes to any coordinated media attacks.
LEAVE BERNIE ALONE!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Neither has a place in a civil discussion.
Sighting Hillary's record is not slinging garbage. She did flip on the Bankruptcy bill, She did say she wanted a no fly zone in Syria, she did vote to authorize the Iraq War, she did claim to have had to run from snipers in Bosnia, she did call the TPP the gold standard of trade deals, she did earn millions in speaking fees from big banks, she does not want to break up big banks, she will not advocate for a $15.00/hr. min. wage, she will not even attempt to create a single payer health care system or a public option. The list goes on and on, this is just off the top of my head.
She is a terrible candidate.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the desperation of the hillary campaign is no longer leaking.
time for the berners to ride the
oberliner
(58,724 posts)For some voters, that conflict is a major issue.
Has he effectively articulated a position on the subject?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and prefers diplomacy to military action
https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)At least on paper they seem the same on this issue. Hasn't really come up in any debates or rallies as far as I have seen.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)among any of the dems on this issue, really. other than whether or not they favor military action on iran, which is tangentially related because bibi is itching for war.
but on the basic issue, i don't think there is much difference hrc, bs, mom
what do you think?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think Bernie is in a tight spot because I believe that a sizable percentage of his base has a different feeling on the subject.
Conversely, Hilary has some high profile donors who are pushing her in the other direction.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)re israel?
keep the settlements?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think there is a great deal of solidarity with the Palestinian cause among many of his supporters.
Whereas, with HRC, I think she has major donors who are not particularly sympathetic to that cause and would like to see her come out stronger in support of Israel.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i like the two state solution and am against the settlements. i think his current position is fine. its not something people in debates or the trail are asking about, as you pointed out.
and i agree. Hillary has some hard liners who want to align with bibi and take a very tough approach.
i doubt we will hear too much about this unless the primary season really goes long.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The Israeli right believes these are tantamount to a boycott even though they
are clearly only truth in advertising. Some also have said these actions are anti-semtitic
in nature.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)At least I haven't found any comment on it from her or from her campaign.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I think Clinton will continue to try and attack Bernie via
his approach to Iran and ISIS.
It is risky of her to do so, but that's what she is indicating..Sanders
risking Israel's security..blah blah blah.