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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:03 PM Jan 2016

Bernie and Israel: It's complicated

If Bernie Sanders defeats Hillary Clinton to win the Democratic nomination, he'll be the first Jewish presidential nominee of a major political party.

But when it comes to his views on Israel, some Jewish Democrats are scratching their heads in confusion.

"His voting record on Israel recently is fine, absolutely fine," said Steve Rabinowitz, a media consultant and former Clinton White House aide who supports Clinton. "I haven’t heard him once talk about it on the campaign trail. It’s as though he doesn't utter the world Israel. It just strikes me as odd.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-israel-218149#ixzz3yBbiAZqw

Pretty in depth article for those who are interested in this topic.

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Bernie and Israel: It's complicated (Original Post) oberliner Jan 2016 OP
He is pretty much in the main stream of Democratic thought on the issue./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #1
Has Sanders ever publicly stated that Israel is separate from Israeli West Bank Settlements? KittyWampus Jan 2016 #4
I believe the Democratic position is the Israelis need to return to the 67 Green Line... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #5
Certainly, and unlike Hillary who is attacking him from the fucking right on Israel cali Jan 2016 #7
Not taking your word for it. Cause mostly Sanders sounds like any Moderate Dem KittyWampus Jan 2016 #10
So what? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #14
Kitty, I live next door to Cabot. I know cali Jan 2016 #15
"It just strikes me as odd" Kentonio Jan 2016 #2
Thanks for pointing that out. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #8
We can't talk about Bernie and Israel or being Jewish… got it. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #11
What are you on about now? Who's talking about YOU? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #12
Now they are baiting anti-Semitic comments? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #3
the "road" you speak of is part of our political reality. But let's not talk about it cause KittyWampus Jan 2016 #6
Just because it is there doesn't mean you need to travel it. Leave it to Trump. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #9
So hands off Sanders but it's a relentless pile of garbage against Hillary = Hypocrisy. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #13
Not at all, but anti-Semitism is just as bad as misogyny Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #25
this is another non issue restorefreedom Jan 2016 #16
He doesn't talk about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict much oberliner Jan 2016 #17
yes. he is in favor of a two state solution restorefreedom Jan 2016 #18
So basically the same position as HRC? oberliner Jan 2016 #20
i don't think there is much daylight restorefreedom Jan 2016 #21
They seem to be in the same general ballpark oberliner Jan 2016 #22
i agree. what do you think most/some bernie supporters want restorefreedom Jan 2016 #23
I think they want him to come out stronger for the Palestinian cause oberliner Jan 2016 #24
ahhhh.that makes sense restorefreedom Jan 2016 #26
Has Clinton supported Obama when we recently supported the EU on labeling products? Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #19
I don't believe she has taken a position on that oberliner Jan 2016 #27
That's what I thought, can't find one for Sanders either. Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #28
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
4. Has Sanders ever publicly stated that Israel is separate from Israeli West Bank Settlements?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jan 2016

I know Obama has.

Clinton? Not sure.

O'Malley, also not sure.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. I believe the Democratic position is the Israelis need to return to the 67 Green Line...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jan 2016

I believe the Democratic party position is the Israelis need to return to the 67 Green Line with negotiated adjustments for security/

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. Certainly, and unlike Hillary who is attacking him from the fucking right on Israel
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie actually uttered some criticism of the Gaza attack, albeit mild.

Hill Hawk sex Bernie endangers Israel.

Hey that is what you get supporting a neocon hawk.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
10. Not taking your word for it. Cause mostly Sanders sounds like any Moderate Dem
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jan 2016

I read a bunch when he first announced.

Oh, here's his town hall where he blows up and tells a constituent to shut up:

http://www.mintpressnews.com/bernie-sanders-stance-on-israel-is-more-of-the-same-ole-same-ole/207529/

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. So what?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

That was a rude protester who wouldn't let Bernie answer the question, they were only there to disrupt.

What does that prove?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. Kitty, I live next door to Cabot. I know
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jan 2016

what went on at that town hall.

And here, kitty:


Clinton baits Sanders over ‘destruction of Israel’
Israel’s interests are becoming an explicit issue in the Democratic nomination to be president. The Clinton campaign says Bernie Sanders’s recent comments about Iran are risking Israel’s security. Sanders wants to normalize relations with a country that “seeks the destruction of Israel,” the campaign says. And his ideas for Iranian ground troops in Syria would put Israel’s enemy “right on Israel’s doorstep.”

The swipes are featured in a new video of Jake Sullivan, a senior foreign policy adviser to Clinton. He first blasts Sanders for suggesting that Iran take a more active role against ISIS in Syria. Sanders has said, “Iran has to join us… I think the folks that have got to be on the ground are the people who are fighting for the soul of Islam. That is not American troops, that is troops from the region. They can’t sit it out.”

Sullivan said:

It would be putting more Iranian firepower right on Israel’s doorstep.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/clinton-attacks-sanders-for-wanting-to-put-iranian-troops-on-israels-doorstep#sthash.VLKSuMlJ.dpuf


And have another helping, kitty.

<snip>

Sanders believes the Israeli attacks that killed hundreds of innocent people – including many women and children – in bombings of civilian neighborhoods and UN controlled schools, hospitals, and refugee camps were disproportionate, and the widespread killing of civilians is completely unacceptable. Israel’s actions took an enormous human toll, and appeared to strengthen support for Hamas and may well be sowing the seeds for even more hatred, war and destruction in future years.

<snip>
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/how-bernie-sanders-reacted-to-israels-attacks-on-gaza-and-his-position-on-israelpalestine/

Hill is a Netanyahu bud as well.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
2. "It just strikes me as odd"
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

"said Steve Rabinowitz, a media consultant and former Clinton White House aide who supports Clinton."

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
11. We can't talk about Bernie and Israel or being Jewish… got it.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jan 2016

Jew baiting, red baiting.

And discussion at all is SHUT UP for Sanders supporter unless it involves reverently kissing his butt.

Considering how many Sanders supporters relentlessly called many DU'er Obama worshippers, it's highly ironic.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. What are you on about now? Who's talking about YOU?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

Why should we listen to Hillary's shills when they exploit Israel?

Because it's not like they didn't use racist dog whistles in 2008 or anything, amirite?


 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
3. Now they are baiting anti-Semitic comments?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

Of course he doesn't mention it. He knows that many Americans are anti-Semitic and he is trying to keep those people out of the conversation.


It looks like Clinton surrogates are now going to go down that road.

This is starting to look a lot like Hillary's "I take him at his word" non-answer about Barack Obama's religious affiliation.





 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
6. the "road" you speak of is part of our political reality. But let's not talk about it cause
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jan 2016

-Bernie-

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
9. Just because it is there doesn't mean you need to travel it. Leave it to Trump.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jan 2016


All they are doing is legitimizing these types of comments if Bernie is the nominee.




 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
13. So hands off Sanders but it's a relentless pile of garbage against Hillary = Hypocrisy.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

Day in and day out, relentless slinging of ANY garbage at Hillary.

It's been going on for many, many months.

O'Malley has escaped mostly because of his low numbers, I suppose.

And Sanders supporters crow about his supposed "favorability" when he's essentially in a virginal state when it comes to any coordinated media attacks.

LEAVE BERNIE ALONE!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
25. Not at all, but anti-Semitism is just as bad as misogyny
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jan 2016

Neither has a place in a civil discussion.


Sighting Hillary's record is not slinging garbage. She did flip on the Bankruptcy bill, She did say she wanted a no fly zone in Syria, she did vote to authorize the Iraq War, she did claim to have had to run from snipers in Bosnia, she did call the TPP the gold standard of trade deals, she did earn millions in speaking fees from big banks, she does not want to break up big banks, she will not advocate for a $15.00/hr. min. wage, she will not even attempt to create a single payer health care system or a public option. The list goes on and on, this is just off the top of my head.

She is a terrible candidate.


restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
16. this is another non issue
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

the desperation of the hillary campaign is no longer leaking.

time for the berners to ride the



 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. He doesn't talk about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict much
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jan 2016

For some voters, that conflict is a major issue.

Has he effectively articulated a position on the subject?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. So basically the same position as HRC?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

At least on paper they seem the same on this issue. Hasn't really come up in any debates or rallies as far as I have seen.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
21. i don't think there is much daylight
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

among any of the dems on this issue, really. other than whether or not they favor military action on iran, which is tangentially related because bibi is itching for war.

but on the basic issue, i don't think there is much difference hrc, bs, mom

what do you think?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. They seem to be in the same general ballpark
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jan 2016

I think Bernie is in a tight spot because I believe that a sizable percentage of his base has a different feeling on the subject.

Conversely, Hilary has some high profile donors who are pushing her in the other direction.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. I think they want him to come out stronger for the Palestinian cause
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jan 2016

I think there is a great deal of solidarity with the Palestinian cause among many of his supporters.

Whereas, with HRC, I think she has major donors who are not particularly sympathetic to that cause and would like to see her come out stronger in support of Israel.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
26. ahhhh.that makes sense
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

i like the two state solution and am against the settlements. i think his current position is fine. its not something people in debates or the trail are asking about, as you pointed out.

and i agree. Hillary has some hard liners who want to align with bibi and take a very tough approach.

i doubt we will hear too much about this unless the primary season really goes long.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. Has Clinton supported Obama when we recently supported the EU on labeling products?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jan 2016

The Israeli right believes these are tantamount to a boycott even though they
are clearly only truth in advertising. Some also have said these actions are anti-semtitic
in nature.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. I don't believe she has taken a position on that
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

At least I haven't found any comment on it from her or from her campaign.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
28. That's what I thought, can't find one for Sanders either.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jan 2016

I think Clinton will continue to try and attack Bernie via
his approach to Iran and ISIS.

It is risky of her to do so, but that's what she is indicating..Sanders
risking Israel's security..blah blah blah.

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