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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:08 PM Jan 2016

How Martin O'Malley will be hurt by the caucus system in Iowa.

Unlike in the primaries, where each vote counts, under Iowa's anti-democratic caucus system, only candidates with 15% or more of the precinct vote are assigned delegates.

This will also affect Hillary and Bernie because candidates can have a substantial spread in the number of votes from individual voters, but be assigned the same number of caucus delegates. No one can get a fraction of a delegate, so two candidates with different vote counts can have the same delegate count.

And the actual vote counts are not publicized -- only the delegate counts.

Also, none of the votes are secret ballots. If, for example, a husband and a wife disagree, or an employer and an employee, they have to disagree openly and in public. And they get to try to persuade each other, publicly, to change their votes.

It's an antiquated system but it's what we're still stuck with in states like Iowa and my own state of Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/us/politics/clinton-sanders-omalley-iowa-caucuses.html?mabReward=CTM&action=click&pgtype=Homepage®ion=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

The arcane rules of Iowa’s Democratic caucuses mean that most O’Malley supporters will be ruled “nonviable” if he does not get 15 percent support at a caucus; his supporters will then be up for grabs by another candidate. With polls showing the race between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders narrowing to a near tie, O’Malley supporters, along with attendees who enter their neighborhood caucuses undecided, could swing the results.

A LIST OF PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES, BY DATE:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
3. it's Iowa
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jan 2016

...and the threshold isn't statewide, it's by precinct, so he could come out with delegates.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
4. It still puts him at a significant disadvantage. I've been in a caucus
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

where my vote didn't end up counting because there weren't enough others voting for the most liberal candidate.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
5. I dont see a problem?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

The rules say you need 15% . If he cant get 15%, maybe he should consider dropping out of the race.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
6. It is very undemocratic but apparently you don't see that as a problem. Fine.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jan 2016

I know how I felt when my vote didn't count. I'm sure plenty of O'Malley's voters will feel the same way when they realize they went to the caucus for nothing (or, at best, to have a chance to vote for their second choice).

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
7. Didn't you learn any lessons from the last campaign
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

Where Hillary insulted Iowans about their caucus system? It's not a great way to make friends and influence people.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
8. I live in a caucus state and I've hated the system since the first time I attended one.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jan 2016

I'm not worried that Iowans -- the vast majority of whom don't participate (less than half the number in primary states) -- will be insulted by the truth.

femmedem

(8,203 posts)
10. This Bernie supporter sends chocolates and flowers your way!
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jan 2016

Seriously, though, I thought O'Malley did very well in the debates and wish the moderators had given him a fair amount of time to speak. His policies and his values represent Democrats well--and you've done a great job of getting the word out about him on DU.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
11. I wish your votes counted. I remember how frustrated I was when mine didn't.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

I keep trying to get them to change the system here, but they're too afraid of Rethugs being able to vote in our primaries . . . I guess.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
13. Virginia is one of the states that switches between caucuses and primaries.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jan 2016

Primaries are much better, imo. Caucuses are weighted toward the front runner.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
16. The 15% threshold will be an issue for MOM
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jan 2016

There is also a 15% threshold in Texas to get delegates

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
17. It's not as though O'Malley
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jan 2016

is anywhere near 15% anywhere. Unfortunately.

He is not going to get enough delegates to have any influence on who the ultimate nominee is.

The only real thing remaining to him is to figure out who he wants to endorse when he drops out. If he does choose to endorse.

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