2016 Postmortem

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts) Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:18 PM Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders: "We would beat Donald Trump badly."

Bernie Sanders said Sunday that "there would be nothing more in this world that I would like" than to face Donald Trump in a general election fight, and that he would "beat him badly."

"I would very much look forward to a race against Donald Trump, a guy who does not want to raise the minimum wage, but wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top two-tenths of 1% who thinks wages in America are too high and who thinks that climate change is a hoax, invented by the Chinese," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"Chuck, there would be nothing more in this world that I would like than to take on Donald Trump. We would beat him, and we would beat him badly."

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"If Donald Trump wins and Mr. Bloomberg gets in, you're going to have two multi-billionaires running for president of the United States against me. And I think the American people do not want to see our nation move toward an oligarchy where billionaires control the political process," he said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/bernie-sanders-we-would-beat-donald-trump-badly-n503226

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Bernie Sanders: "We would beat Donald Trump badly." (Original Post) restorefreedom Jan 2016 OP

Trump would get FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #1

lol. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #2

He'll get sent to the Sausage Fest! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #11

Trump would go down in flames. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #3

what is so funny restorefreedom Jan 2016 #4

Right. The same morons who swore Willard was going to win the 2012 election. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #5

the poor dears. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #6

Are Sanders general election polls fools gold? Gothmog Jan 2016 #7

No one should rely on hypothetical match up polls- These polls are totally worthless Gothmog Jan 2016 #8

From Nate Silver's 538 website-Do not trust match up polls Gothmog Jan 2016 #9

Yes, we would. azmom Jan 2016 #10

Bernie Sanders says he polls better against GOP candidates than Hillary Clinton Gothmog Jan 2016 #12

interesting read here restorefreedom Jan 2016 #13

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)

1. Trump would get

Reply to restorefreedom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:35 PM

Jan 2016

schlong'd

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

2. lol. nt

Reply to FlatBaroque (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:38 PM

Jan 2016

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)

11. He'll get sent to the Sausage Fest!

Reply to FlatBaroque (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:52 PM

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in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)

3. Trump would go down in flames.

Reply to restorefreedom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:43 PM

Jan 2016

He doesn't have a chance against Bernie. Not even close.

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restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

4. what is so funny

Reply to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:44 PM

Jan 2016

is on that other site, they think they can handily beat bernie.

apparently they don't read outside their bubble.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)

5. Right. The same morons who swore Willard was going to win the 2012 election.

Reply to restorefreedom (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:50 PM

Jan 2016

They really don't live in a reality based world. Faux News feeds them propaganda 24/7. They have no clue what's going on in the real world.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

6. the poor dears.

Reply to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:00 PM

Jan 2016

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)

7. Are Sanders general election polls fools gold?

Reply to restorefreedom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:16 PM

Jan 2016

These polls are worthless because Sanders has not been vetted by the media http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read-three-weeks-go-three-margin-error-races-n493946

Not surprisingly, Sanders' campaign is touting those general-election numbers. "There was fresh evidence on Sunday that confirms Bernie Sanders would be the most electable Democratic Party nominee for president because he performs much better than Hillary Clinton," the campaign blasted out to reporters yesterday. But here is a legitimate question to ask: Outside of maybe New Hampshire (where Sanders enjoys a geographic advantage), are Sanders' general-election numbers fool's gold? When is the last time you've seen national Republicans issue even a press release on Sanders? Given the back-and-forth over Bill Clinton's past -- and given Sanders calling Bill Clinton's behavior "disgraceful" -- when is the last time anyone has brought up the candidate's 1972 essay about a woman fantasizing about "being raped by three men simultaneously"? Bottom line: It's always instructive to take general-election polling with a grain of salt, especially 300 days before the general election. And that's particularly true for a candidate who hasn't actually gone through the same wringer the other candidates have.

These match up polls are not meaningful at this stage

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)

8. No one should rely on hypothetical match up polls- These polls are totally worthless

Reply to restorefreedom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:17 PM

Jan 2016

Here is a good thread talking about these polls http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511038010

The reliance on these polls by Sanders supporters amuse me. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/harrys-guide-to-2016-election-polls/

Ignore hypothetical matchups in primary season – they also measure nothing. General election polls before and during the primary season have a very wide margin of error. That’s especially the case for candidates who aren’t even in the race and therefore haven’t been treated to the onslaught of skeptical media coverage usually associated with being the candidate.

Sanders supporters have to rely on these worthless polls because it is clear that Sanders is not viable in a general election where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate may spend an additional billion dollars.

No one should rely on hypo match up type polls in selecting a nominee at this stage of the race.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)

9. From Nate Silver's 538 website-Do not trust match up polls

Reply to restorefreedom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:19 PM

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azmom

(5,208 posts)

10. Yes, we would.

Reply to restorefreedom (Original post)

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:29 PM

Jan 2016

Power to the People!

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)

12. Bernie Sanders says he polls better against GOP candidates than Hillary Clinton

Reply to restorefreedom (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:01 PM

Jan 2016

While I still think that these polls are worthless, I am amused to see that Sanders was found to be misrepresenting these polls and that in fact his claim is not true http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/26/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-polls-better-against-gop-ca/

In the runup to the Iowa caucus, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has repeatedly said he has a better chance of beating the eventual Republican nominee in the Nov. 8 general election than fellow Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.

"Almost all of the polls that -- and polls are polls, they go up, they go down -- but almost all of the polls that have come out suggest that I am a much stronger candidate against the Republicans than is Hillary Clinton," he told voters during a Jan. 19 town hall meeting in Underwood, Iowa.

We took a look at the various national surveys, as compiled by RealClearPolitics and PollingReport.com to see how that assertion stacks up against the data.....

Our ruling

Sanders said, "Almost all of the polls that have come out suggest that I am a much stronger candidate against the Republicans than is Hillary Clinton."

The NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll released before Sanders' statement supports his claim for Trump, but it has no data against Cruz or Rubio. Earlier polls say he doesn't outperform Clinton at all against Cruz, Rubio or Bush, and the narrow races combined with the margins of error make his contention even more dubious.

Beating Clinton in only two of eight hypothetical matchups is far from "almost all."

The statement is not accurate, so we rate it False.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

13. interesting read here

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:33 PM

Jan 2016

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/wildfire-berning/423552/

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