...why make him your backup plan, when he's a perfectly viable primary plan?

"As everyone knows, I'm a Clinton supporter in these primaries. I'm optimistic about her chances. Very optimistic. But, if she doesn't, I have a backup plan. I'll campaign for Sanders in the general election campaign. I like him. I think he'd be a good President and would try hard to move the country in progressive directions. That's my backup plan. "

You say you like him, think he'd be a good president and is clearly progressive in policy...yet you still throw in with Hillary? Makes no sense...

Sanders' chances. That's why I'm supporting here. I do not believe that Sanders could be elected in November, frankly.

I hope that answers your question. All three Democratic candidates would be OK as President. Hillary can win, I believe. The others cannot. So, I'm backing the candidate with the best chance.

I think Bernie is infinitely more electable because he has more cross-over appeal that is born out by his re-elections in Vermont. Polling also indicates that independent voters favor him over all the other candidates on either side, too.

But, think about this: What if Hillary is actually indicted or in some way legally compromised by the FBI investigation into her server? This is the FBI, not the GOP Clown Car Committee. There is no law that says she can't continue to run, but, honestly, who wants to vote for someone with that type of legal trouble?

I believe your thinking she has the "best chance" is clouded by establishment blah-blah. NOTHING indicates that she does have the best chance, while everything indicates that Sanders does.

BTW, the FBI can't indict anyone. At that level, only the Attorney General can, and after a federal grand jury recommends that. There will be no indictment. There never was going to be one.

The FBI can only investigate and report on their investigation. That agency has no power to indict. Federal Law 101.

of incremental establishment pragmatism.

Because didn't you initially say that you would be caucusing for Bernie? Did the polls previously show him having more of a chance than he has now?

Now he is saying he supports HRC because she is a stronger candidate.

He didn't want to align himself with Bernie supporters because they are racist. But I guess the "back up plan" entails enthusiastically campaigning and working for the racists' candidate.

None of it makes any sense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251507197

Black Lives Matter! Period. Therefore I Have Altered my Primary Intentions.

Recent attacks on people who insist that attention be paid to the wholesale killing of unarmed black people by official government law enforcement officers has convinced me that my support for Bernie Sanders in the primaries was misplaced. When I align myself with a candidate and pledge support for that candidate, I am aligning myself with that candidate's supporters.

I can no longer do that in good faith. Due to actions by supporters of Senator Sanders, I am withdrawing my support for him at our caucuses in Minnesota. I cannot be aligned any longer with his supporters, which has cost that candidate my own support. His insistence that economic changes will produce the kind of social change that is so much needed no longer can be supported, either.

Immunizes him to Karl Rove style attacks. We better not nominate the less electable Howard Dean"

Rinse. Repeat.

Rather than working for the better candidate.

Good luck with it.

I have to say that that's not a very good plan.

(The Family/Fellowship), war criminals (Kissinger), voted for IWR, vocally supports fracking, speaks freely of war with Iran, cares about womens issues UNLESS you happen to be a wmoan living in the middle east, need I go on?
I can - takes obscene amounts of money from wallstreet, private prisons, and health insurance companies YET EXPECTS US TO BELIEVE SHE WILL REiGN IN THEIR EXCESSES!

Hillary is for status quo, protecting corporations and the 1% at the expense of the peons.

Where's the sense in that?

I am supporting and voting for Sanders, but if Clinton wins the primary (which, unfortunately, I think is likely) then I will have to vote against whoever the Republican is. That means voting for Clinton. Writing in Sanders or voting third party will be the equivalent of not even voting. That's just a plain and simple mathematical fact.

(In my state, they don't allow write-ins on the ballot. If Bernie isn't an option in the GE, I will be voting for the only truly progressive female. And it won't be Hillary. I'm so over the DINOs.)

But we all have some very important state & local elections going on, so downticket will be important. Please check to see what your state's rules are on write-ins.

And then to vomit.

She's dishonest and corrupt but that's still preferable to a republican

However, our candidate will need more than just votes from serious Democrats. That's why my backup plan includes working for and campaigning for the nominee.

and you want us to run out and help a person who is actively undermining us?

Wow.

I'll be there with bells on. Nobody's getting a beating from me.

Thanks.

i don't need back up. i have right on my side.




I really think bernie is the candidate for this time, this election. he is much needed. and he is in it for the long haul. he won't leave the campaign unless there becomes no path to victory. if that should occur (and i don't think it will), i will regroup and reassess my options. right now now i only have one goal...get bernie the nom. no point wasting gray matter thinking beyond that unless or until, it is here.

grandma was right...don't cross a bridge till you get to it.

to stay in a 'democratic party' where the leadership not only doesn't share my goals, but works against them.

to try and fix the damage she has done to her relations with the liberal wing of the party. Personally I am expecting that Rahm Emmanuel level of "Fuck you, who needs you?" attitude. So, I hope she can persuade more conservatives to vote for her than she alienates liberals who will refuse to vote for her.

others that they're the right choice. If Sanders does not win it, what he says and
does for Clinton will play a significant role for his supporters..to what
degree depends on what he says.

It will also be telling what understanding, if any, comes from Clinton
that may ensure that a part of his agenda becomes part of hers.


To rely on the Republicans are worse mantra, although they are, is not
a safe bet. Sanders candidacy has been about taking on the lobby
system, not about getting "free stuff".

The question of trust will remain an issue and how that is resolved
is unknown.

No need for this stuff until there is an official nominee.

Also, I sincerely doubt that any Hillary supporter who sanctimoniously intones that they will of course vote for Bernie if he is the nominee - really believes that this will happen.

Thanks for responding. BTW, I love peas. Fresh ones, Chinese peas, dried peas, black-eyed peas. Peas are wonderful food. I eat them often.

And a vote simply intended to prevent republicans from taking power rather than an enthusiastic vote with hope for a brighter future for EVERYONE.

progressives with clothespins on their noses making their way unenthusiastically to the polls for the sole purpose of keeping a Repuke out of the White House.

Then, if she pulled it out, I would endure at least four more years of center right governance that favors the 1%. It's a scenario that's depressing as hell.

There's a world of difference between what I want to do and what I have to do.

candidate on the ballot. Fortunately, my ballot isn't limited to 2 candidates.

would never vote for Bernie I vote for the nominee. The fact that so many of those who say they won't vote for Bernie said they would never vote for Obama in 08 leads me to conclude they are also full of shit. Most of Clinton's most ardent supporters this year could not stand her in 08, which also indicates a lack of credibility.

I have seen the opposite. Many of Bernie's supporters are saying they would never vote for Clinton.

This crap undermines the Democratic Party.

saying they won't vote for the Democratic nominee. I've seen many, many BS supporter making that pledge but only one or two HRC supporters.

Here's one from today that got lots of Bernie supporter love:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511055647

Or anywhere with national health care, decent climate and a progressive outlook for the country.

It actually might not be an option for you, depending on a number of factors.

As I am with Canada's. Although, there are others I need to check out

Bernie or bust.

strength of character and courage of conviction order to understand, IMHO.

The point is that dyed in the wool dems will hold their nose and vote for Hillary, period. Those who came into the election process just to support Bernie will not, period. The people including new dems, indies and those that felt left out of the system, will probably go back to their hidey holes and try to survive until someone else comes along that offers real change. Face it, Hillary is a drag not only on the dems, but the entire country, she just doesn't know it.

I had thought she was a really intelligent woman until lately. She has proven that she really isn't that smart or just doesn't think that people are smart or aware enough to pay attention to what she has done since she left the White House. The lies that she's told, and got caught in, the email crap, her Clinton foundation, and her speeches just is the tip of the iceberg. How any one with an ounce of intelligence and integrity could make these mistakes when they KNEW that they were going to run for President, is beyond my comprehension. I know that if I was going to run for President, I wouldn't do anything that would even hint at a scandal. This is when I knew, she really isn't smart enough, just egotistical enough.

Z

Thanks for the reply.

she is a hell of a lot smarter than you

More and more I'm hearing people say that if Bernie doesn't win, it shows the Democratic establishment is in bed with all the wrong sorts of people. The Democratic Party is supposed to be the party of ordinary, working people. It doesn't seem like it anymore.

To fight for everyone inspite of the money against the common man to keep him or her down for their interest. What's your plan if your side loses?

I will support Sanders if he is the nominee but I still think that this is very unlikely

for what to do when a president Trump or Cruz takes the helm of a one-party state. They should start making those plans the instant HRC secures the nomination, BC Trump or Cruz will beat her like a drum. This country is but two steps away from fascism and all leftists would do well to take heed.

Thanks for asking

It's the only reasonable thing to do.

By eighth grade informally we called it bend over, place your head firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye

backup plans A, B, and C should Sanders not win the nomination, but thanks for your concern.

What are they? Ask me if the time comes that I need them. Right now I'm focused on nominating Sanders.

My plan is to vote on Election Day. If Hillary is the nominee, she will lose here because she and her husband have been irrationally despised for years. The right wing nuts poisoned that well long ago. There are no minds to be changed here, at least in my typical small town/rural NC community. My 92 year old neighbor said during the 08 primaries that she would never vote for her, and she's a democrat who voted happily for Obama. That example still holds. I don't like it, but when you live somewhere that you still see anti-Clinton bumper stickers from the 90's, you gotta be realistic. I think Bernie could have a chance, but that's just a feeling right now - I think his populist message and former status as an Independent, as well as his nuanced stand regarding guns could pull support from independents and republicans who aren't RWNJ's. Just my opinion.

...that is the FAULT OF THE PARTY ESTABLISHMENT WHO FORCED HER ON US rather than the people who are to disgusted by her to vote for her.

As the general election nears, I'll consider the pool of candidates who have a realistic chance of winning, and vote for the best (or, more likely, least bad) from that group. I consider highly likely that the "group" will consist only of the two major-party nominees, and virtually certain that the Democrat will be better (or less bad) than the Republican. Thus, in your hypothetical, I would expect to be voting for Clinton.

When it comes to my vote, she would be competing against the Republican. When it comes to my money or volunteer time, though, she would be competing against progressive candidates in downticket races. My expectation is that I would support Clinton with my vote, but nothing more, and that my other support would go to Democratic nominees for other offices.

I'm not sure that telling posters in a solid blue states that they need to be campaigning for Clinton is particularly great advice or the best use of their time (since canvassing tends to pack a lot more punch than phone banking, from what I've heard).

Then again, if you're goal was really to get more Clinton volunteers for the general election, I'm not sure why you would be doing this by addressing Bernie supporters before the primary.