2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHas Hillary stated a position on reparations?
If so, I haven't seen it.
Has she even been asked her position on this? Or was she asked, and she answered with a laugh on this matter, too?
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)not me
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Didn't you get the memo from Wall Street?
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)It's entitled "Hillary Clinton is not the Second Coming of Harriet Tubman".
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/hillary-clinton-not-second-coming-harriet-tubman
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... didn't think it was probable then I'm OK with that.
But don't say impossible issues like SP are probable because of revolution but reparations aren't because its too hard
That's not being consistent
Autumn
(45,096 posts)but Hillary doesn't have to worry her pretty little campaign about that. SP or Medicare for All is very popular with people when the benefits are explained to them, reparations aren't. Ask Obama. Sanders has never called for unicorns from congress or anyone else. Sanders has called for the people to stand with him, as he stand with them.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... is because he has some plan to influence a historically GOP gerrymandered congress who has shown it could give a damn what people think.
The popularity with people or vise versa isn't a reason NOT to do whats right when the improbable is being pushed anyway!!
The everything is possible but "that" issue is NOT being consistent at all
Autumn
(45,096 posts)if you had ever heard anything he has ever said you would know that but you pass out these silly half truth sound bites like they are pearls of wisdom from the media and Hillary's operatives like they actually make sense. The popularity with people is a damn good fucking reason TO TRY to do the improbable. The improbable has never been done until someone does it.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... going to pass anything!!
Where the hell have people been in the last couple of years
THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE!!!!
Sanders has put up no plan to make them... Hillary has said she'll go around them with unilateral decisions ... Sanders will soon follow
Autumn
(45,096 posts)I'm also listening to Hillary saying we can't do that. Nice try, Sanders has never followed Hillary, she is too busy borrowing from him.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... the effects of gerrymandered !!!
If 8 billion people felt you should donate money to HRCs campaign would you?
Autumn
(45,096 posts)I signed up to make a monthly donation to Bernie's campaign. I wouldn't give Hillary one red cent the word of the day is UNICORNS!
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... and by Sanders logic that should influence you.
The GOP in congress has the same pressure from the people; none... like you would in that example the GOP congress doesn't have to care no matter how popular the measure is... they're not going to move... they don't have to
That is the effect of a gerrymandered congress
Autumn
(45,096 posts)You keep harping on the same old thing and ignore what I say so this is a waste of time.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)Autumn
(45,096 posts)is my last reply to you.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... don't have to do and the same goes towards the gerrymandered GOP congress !!!
Sanders doesn't have a plan to MAKE them do anything, they don't give a damn about "revolution"
bowens43
(16,064 posts)hillary will never be president
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... that's not bullshit that's reality.
Dems used to like reality
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)For reparations? I mean, other than a few fringe Democrats I don't think this would ever happen.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)(legal notice: X may vary depending on audience)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)If you did you'd want to know all the candidates' positions, instead of contriving moronic distinctions to single out one. Disgusting.
oasis
(49,388 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I don't have a strong opinion and wouldn't without studying the pros and cons. What I can say definitively, is I wouldn't sink low enough to run this nonsense play on Hillary.
oasis
(49,388 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Care to make your case for or against?
oasis
(49,388 posts)However, I loved Bernie's tap dance on the subject on today's Meet the Press.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)maybe you care less than you think.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... answer as something they don't want to fight right now but not going to accept revolution with asterisks by it
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)P.S. Berniesupporterssomean.
merrily
(45,251 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)And he is not a consummate proven liar. Hilly is.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Single payer, free college and $15 minimum wage?
You're right.
Those aren't invisible flying unicorns. Those are invisible flying pink unicorns.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)...or are just going to support someone who relates to their anger only.
As long as Sanders stands up and growls and spits at the GOP and then claims he tried they'd be happy...
Progress!?
Nah, don't need that crap
cali
(114,904 posts)And I'll put up my knowledge about gerrymandering and anything else political against yours any day.
It's about integrity, an alien concept to Hillary and people like her.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... oncology ward on prime time tv, they don't HAVE to give a damn about Sanders "revolution" cause there's nothing that's going to get them out of their seats.
Question: What would have to be the MINIMUM avg increase in dem votes to get the GOP out of their gerrymandered districts?!
cali
(114,904 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... revolution or what people think.
And we're not asking for more integrity, Sanders has enough and so does HRC...
People are asking for a WORKABLE plan... "culture shift" (whatever that means) is not a workable plan to overcome a GOP congress that doesn't answer to the people who voted for them not less the people who didn't.
The majority of the country has been for common sense gun reforms FOR YEARS and the GOP congress could give a shit about that.
Talk about it, march about it, "Bully Pulpit" about all you want and they're ARE NOT GOING TO SHIFT!!
Because they don't have to...
Question: Would you start send donations to HRCs campaign IF... 250 million Americans supported and thought it was a good idea?
regards
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)them say "Sanders is wrong" a thousand times? That's their position.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)You had me convinced there for a minute
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Or some such stupidity. Because the only read of the word revolution is "confiscation of personal property and redistribution, comrade!"
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)They show their true colors!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're referring to reparations as unicorns.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I can't believe I am supposed to be on the same side as these people.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... factors he said they would happen through this congress.
That's not her position,
Revolution with an asterisk beside it is .... not revolutionary
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And if it's identical to Bernie's then by definition his position is also reasonable.
Holding liberals to different standards is typically a right wing tactic.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Pass it on.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)Pavlovian. Sorry - not this time.
Bernie or bust. With all due respect: To believe anything that HRC says is to believe in flying unicorns. One can watch her debate herself by playing back her countless positions on every issue.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Reparations.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... now doesn't it?
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)O'Malley has a detailed plan to revitalize American cities with a heavy emphasis an public transportation - gets the still redlined folks out to the suburbs where the jobs are.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The question is, why does Bernie's fantasy world include single payer and free college, but not reparations?
Very telling that nobody even tries to answer.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Absolutely astounding how nonsensical some of the stuff you guys are coming out with is at this point.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Because the job of progressives is to sit and whine about how much the county sucks while the voting public stay at home leaving the Republicans to claim power. That's your stategy is it? Aim low and hope the GOP voters are as uninspired as the Democratic ones?
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)CLINTON: We have mental, emotional and psychological reparations to pay first. We have to admit that we havent always treated people in our own country fairly. We have some issues that we have to address when it comes to racial justice right now. Im willing to work hard to be a strong advocate for Civil Rights and human rights here at home and around the world. I want to do everything I can to make sure that the programs and policies that have helped generations of African-Americans have a better life in this country continue. I think we should be focused on the present and on the future. We owe an apology to African-Americans for hundreds of years of slavery.
Qutzupalotl
(14,313 posts)There is an implication ("to pay first" that she would eventually pay, but she doesn't come right out and say it. The rest of her answer is feel-good pablum that everyone believes. If she's dancing that hard, I think the answer must be no.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)"Mental, emotional and psychological reparations" doesn't = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the government to atone for previous sins. That's probably the most politically thought out statement I've ever read.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)payment of reparations which seems to be a big deal that Bernie hasn't yet satisfied. Do you by chance have a direct link to your quoted excerpt? I couldn't find that Q&A at your link and I wanted to know if she will support reparations after an apology for mental, emotional and psychological stress since in that excerpt her stand seems to be about an apology for mental, emotional and psychological stress and then goes in another direction.
Bernie did give a direct answer
http://fusion.net/video/255113/bernie-sanders-reparations-answer-iowa-forum/
Recursion
(56,582 posts)You have to scroll down past "gender equality"
I don't think it was a particularly good answer on her part; I just posted it as a factual response to the OP's question.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)to embarrass Sanders. Question is who put them up to it.
Response to grasswire (Original post)
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Autumn
(45,096 posts)removing BLM activists from her events and countless other double standards. Just "Not Good Enough Bernie" needs to explain.
JI7
(89,250 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)she used plenty of innuendo and slime against him then
JI7
(89,250 posts)as many others here have done.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)would rather he be for but he hasn't been.
His main issue is to unravel a corrupt election system, which regardless
of your political views, you can't fight back with equal measure. Once
you achieve that goal, Americans have the opportunity to fight for what
they want with a better chance of a positive outcome.
Who else has made this commitment to do that for the long haul? No one else.
He has been sounding the alarm to work for that and saying he alone
can't accomplish it...political activism involves much more time and effort
than showing up to vote.
The author of the OP in question suggests what, Sanders doesn't know/won't
commit to what a political revolution involves if he leaves out reparations?
What is being implied here...he is not honest, not interested in the black
community, or he's just as clueless as Clinton?
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I leave you to compare the two to get an idea of what I mean.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Anyone who says yes will lose 49 states. Can we please wait until after the election to talk about this?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)for anything. This constant fear of not staking positions is absurd.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It's just odd that Bernie is singled out to corner on this issue, while apparently no one cares what Hillary thinks.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's not a subject white liberals are willing to discuss. That was his entire point.
And, in terms of "for what", a good start is racist FHA and USDA loan policies in the 1950s and 1960s.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)So I certain hope that Hillary stays the course.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Because it's a monumentally stupid idea.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Lawud
(70 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Insisting that only one candidate's opinion is important makes it look like certain supporters are just exploiting the issue to score points against their opponents.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)that of Bernie, and that of President Obama are all more or less the same.
I have my own thoughts about this and have stated them in the AA Forum. In doing so, I have not smeared or tried to smear ANY one of the Dem candidates on this or any other issue.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Look for where it says Chris Hayes interviews Ta-Nehisi Coates.
I almost fell off of my chair when this interview was on. And then I started yelling at my tv ( something I am known for on ocassion lol)
http://www.msnbc.com/all