And she can't even manage her campaign which is in total disarray, even though she's had years to plan and prepare for a presidential run.

How many ways can she prove her incompetence?

You mean, like with scissors and glue?

well she did wipe the server with a cloth.

Probably mean copied and pasted, two functions available on every computer I have used in last 30 years.

Paste it into what? You're still within the secure system. Shorthand notes?

Done.

Oops.......

..... would require storing to disk, then disconnecting the secure network connection, physically, then physically connecting to the unsecured network.

Or removable storage could be used to transfer to a different computer.

Alt Tab between programs, cut and past onto a word doc, or other email doc save the doc and use it to further cut and past into other docs. Provided that a separate terminal isn't rewuired depending on the system you want to log onto.

Lots of cutting and pasting and wiping and vacuuming going on.

Everyone knows it's not illegal if the President does it.

different computers plugged into them. And at least in some places different lan connectors. So that it was not possible to copy and paste from one system to the other. Even the USB connectors used to be plugged so a thumb drive could not be stuck in.

.... we had some computers that could be physically disconnected from the unclassified network and physically connected to the secure network. I don't think we have that anymore , you have to work in a closed area.

Even if true, this will not result in anything at all.

We have this interesting justice system, which allows
"affluenza" to be a rational defense, and in
addition "connections,connections, connections"
make up for the rest.

However, at this point be careful not to take
this at face value, at least I won't.

They have assigned 100 investigators to this.

They have already established that Classified, even Top Secret material was available for the hacking due to inappropriate storage on her personal computer. Crimes.

If this was commited by Sen. Sanders you'd call it Game Over; however, this should overlooked because ...

this won't be an albatross if she runs in the GE because ...

It you REALLY cared about SCOTUS, you'd want her to drop out because you'd see her vulnerability when this gets legs in a few months, but you won't because ...

Never going to happen.

with legs. I may not agree, you may not agree, but it is a vulnerability that has the potential to rear its ugly head after the primary.

If it does at that time, it won't be a Dem in the White House. It will sink her.

I guess you figure it would Bernie's fault at that point, though? Anything but her fault, right?

At that point, yell "no legs" as loud as you can, see if it prevents more conservatives from becoming SCOTUS Justices.

Enjoy your Hillary is going to be indicted fantasy.

What is being reported on now is not new intel, it involves the same claims about the same material made last summer, when it was thoroughly debunked.

also in cahoots? Is keeping Top Secret material on an unauthorized unsecured server while SOS a violation of National Security protocol?

Please share the debunking of that. I missed it.

This is new information because last summer the FBI wasn't trying to recover the information on the server. They didn't even have it.

I know many here want to conflate this with Benghazi because it was during that "investigation" that the use of the private email server was discovered, but the issues aren't really related.

Benghazi was a Republican rout. Any rational person knows that foreign service is dangerous and people are at risk. Any Democrat knows that it was Republicans who refused to fund more security at our embassies abroad.

But, this is different.

By all indications, this private server was less secure than most home networks. She obviously used remote-access to access her emails on her Blackberry. The programs used to accomplish this are usually operated through an encrypted connection — called a virtual private network, or VPN. But Clinton's system appeared to accept commands directly from the Internet without such protections.

Now, you won't get any quibble from me that Clinton had the clearance to access some of this top secret information and the law is murky on whether using this server to house this stuff was against the law back when she did it, but a couple of things are abundantly clear:

1. It looks more and more as though she by-passed proper security protocol by copying information off the secure connections.
2. Her server contained that information and probably was hacked.

What info did the hacker see? Have national security secrets been compromised? Do we want a president who by-passes proper security protocol for convenience? What if she becomes the nominee and the FBI does decide to indict? Where is the Democratic Party then?

Those are the questions you need to ask yourself.

.... its a violation of the regulations, and you can be punished for it.... being sent home, docking your pay, ultimately losing your job and your clearence. But it isn't criminal.

"Penalties include fines, imprisonment up to ten years or both"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

At the very least, it isn't something of which I'd want the Democratic nominee in the GE to be guilty.

..we sould not want that.

I don't think the law that you cite applies to authorized individuals sharing information amongst themselves in a less than secure manner . I think it applies to actual espionage. However wrong or indefensible, this was not espionage .

'Cause she also copied and pasted from SIPRNet....

.... to use the information in question. The information wasn't made public. The practices described are violations of regulations concerning the handling of classified material, but are not criminal in nature.

(You should have gone with UCMJ vs Federal Law in your hair-splitting)

.... who published the information to the general public. And she knew thats what they would do with it. This is not hair spplitting. Sharing information with authorized persons who have a need to know, even if it violates good practice and regulations, is not a criminal offense.

Copying the information off of a classified system, and then sending it on an unclassified system is negligent, and very likely exposed the information to other countries. After all, the connections to Clinton's server weren't even encrypted for months. Even when they finally installed a VPN, it had the default keys installed until after she was SoS.

Causing classified to leak due to negligence is a criminal offense.

.... have you seen any of this alegedly classified information?

I really don't think there is any criminal offense here. I think this is intercean partisan bickering being fueled by right wing smears and inuendo.

From the horrible security practices that were used on the server, China and Russia would have easily gotten everything on the server. And they do not have any incentive to advertise that they got into the server.

We'll see where the investigation goes.

.... wait and see approach. OK. But don't hold your breath.

they come down. At least for anyone with Clinton's political connections.

I would be very much surprised, if the agency is allowed to make
the result of their investigation public. This is too important to
let it be leaked.

Don't get me wrong though. I am sure that the RW will use it,
which will make HRC's success more dubious.

would have used it by now.

Then the anti-Bernie destruction will begin.

Sometimes I think there are a lot of newbies in politics here.

With the caveat that I've never worked with JWICS, physically the only way to transfer classified to NIPR is by either taking a photo of the document (which is why you have to leave your cell phone outside of the locker area) or actually type it.

yet another right wing lie brought to us from Bernie land. And it is supposedly the Clinton campaign which is in the gutter.

This news story is Bernie's fault?

now is it? Also the fact it is here is the fault of Bernie supporters.

and then paste in notepad and hit print.

Theoretically, you're supposed to have any document reviewed before you leave the vault, but we are talking about a group of people where someone was convicted for literally hiding classified in his sock.

they've been yammering about---

installing top secret documents
where Russian and Chinese hackers could get at them

this may or may not turn out to be.

Are the Bernsters running out of gas and have to resort to carrying Trey Gowdy's water now?

And with links...we all want to see these much ballyhooed GOP lies.

We're waiting.

Or still searching for those lies Sanders supporters said on DU?

I am sure Hillary is safe.

I thought I was on Demcratic Underground.. After going through this thread, I took a wrong turn to freeperland.

height of the Cold War." Well, there it is!

Great catch! Thank you.