2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNate Silver: Obama The Clear Favorite, But We Could Be Surprised
-snip-
Which pollsters do you think have most accurately captured the state of the race to this point?
I think pollsters can do more things that are wrong than right. Ive become more of a traditionalist when it comes to polling, in part because weve seen more of a split between what some of the more traditionally thorough polls say and what some of the automated and robopolls say. If you get numbers published by NBC and the Wall Street Journal or The Washington Post and ABC News, those are pretty good. Even within the range of the high quality pollsters, you have a spread between basically a tie and a rather overwhelming, 2008-style Obama lead. Thats kind of normal. If you go back through history and see what the polling spread is like at any given time, you often will see a 5- or 7- or even 10-point gap between one poll and another.
Has Obama been the favorite for longer than journalists and pundits have been writing and saying he is?
For some reason, the conventional wisdom went from, Oh, its a tossup to Oh, Obamas way ahead or a clear favorite. I tend to see it more in shades of distinction. When we launched our forecast in June, we had him as a 60-40 favorite. The race didnt move all that far from that number. One thing people maybe dont grasp as a very basic thing is the more time runs off the clock, the more holding a narrow advantage is likely to hold up. If you were making an assessment of what Obamas chances were in the spring, then you have to worry about a blowup in Europe, you have to worry about something happening in the Middle East maybe it still will in the Middle East. Maybe instead of having merely mediocre jobs numbers, actually going back into a recession. There are all these shoes that can drop on you and they havent.
You were seeing the same range of about a 2-, 2.5-, 3-point lead very, very consistently until the conventions, really, where the first really bad signal for Romney was that he got very little convention bounce. And historically, if you dont pull ahead in the polls after your own convention, then you dont win. It looks like he maybe pulled into a tie, but probably not much more than that. That was bad piece of news No. 1. And then the theory was, maybe conventions dont produce a bounce anymore. And then Obama got a decent sized one not great, its actually fairly small by historical standards. But the fact is, its almost pure gain for him because Romney didnt really eat into Obamas numbers at all. If you go from having a 2-point lead to a 4-point lead, thats one thing, and thats pretty meaningful. Also the fact that conventions start in late August to now, a month has gone by, youve eaten up almost a third of the time remaining until the election. All of a sudden its kind of like, well Romney has a shot here, but were looking for him to really win the debates or October surprises or this convention bounce peters out. Weve had Obamas odds going from 60 percent to 70 percent over the summer, and then from 70 percent to closer to 80 percent now. Im not sure what the exact threshold is, whens it a tossup and whens it likely Obama?
-snip-
Read More:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/nate-silver-election-interview.php?ref=fpb
randr
(12,414 posts)to a Romney win. With all the voter suppression and recent disclosures of out and out cheating, would the American people finally react to another candidate stealing an election?
TroyD
(4,551 posts)But what I don't understand is why this is still so rampant in the year 2012 in America. I don't think it's as common in other Western countries.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)In fact its getting worse by the day. His campaign is in turmoil. The man is a basket case. Barring some catastrophic misstep by the President, its over.
Gin
(7,212 posts)Enough said....
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I think we are now at the point of being outside the "margin of cheating".
Cannot stand the They're gonna steal it!! posts. They are delusional worry warts. This isn't 2000. It isn't even 2004.
Obama's running away with this.
That's why we have to work hard. We need to give President Obama a House of Representatives and Senate he can work with.