splat.

I used to think she was, but she's not.

And she gets free government provided health care.

She needs to go away.

No we can't have universal single payer health care Pelosi claims. Where have we heard that before? Oh, yeah, Hillary is driving that bus, and yeah, we are under that bus.

You realize that Pelosi resorted to almost Republican-style dirty tricks to get the ACA passed. How can Bernie get even .1% of his program enacted if he throws even the most progressive under the bus, much less the Claire McCaskill's from Red States? Sure, Pelosi's done well. Her father was the Mayor of Baltimore, and her husband is a successful investment banker. But FDR was a member of the .1%, and I heard that JFK came from money as well. What's your point?

I want universal health care, not just for me but everyone.

Are you going to sit there and tell me NO? Cause that's sure how you are coming across. I am getting tired of this NO business and all the lame excuses.

Really, who are you to even suggest I should not want my government to do the right thing?

According to the World Heath Organization's website, the US has had universal healthcare since 2014. It's called ACA. Sure, it's a joke, as 19 Republican governors have refused to expand Medicaid.

We have hundreds of insurance companies which have larger margins than say, France, Belgium or Germany, which also have insurance mandated health insurance.

We have a Congress which is not allowed (by law) to negotiate prices with Big Pharma.

We, ALONE among all developed countries, have no tort reform on the national level. Bernie's voted against it twice. Try suing a doctor in Canada or the UK, for example where society dictates that the majority's right to healthcare supersedes the individual's right to sue. Sure, tort reform has been a right wing meme, but we Dems have traditionally been under the control of the ABA, which is, after all a special interest group.

Bernie says that the magic answer is single payer, because every other industrialized country has it. WRONG!!!! Only Canada and the UK have true SP, and in the UK it is legal to get private insurance if you elect to do so. 15% of Brits have private insurance. And 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US, so they can slip down to say Ann Arbor or Cleveland for private treatment in the US if they have the money. This is an important safety valve for the Canadian system.

But Canada, it would seem is the only true example of the type of PURE single payer that Bernie is talking about. Canada has no military per se, a very small population, and a lot of natural resources to sell. Hard, or perhaps impossible to prescribe the Canadian solution for the US, which has almost 10 times the population.

I know. I lived there.

arrested at a hearing.

But he did. And most people either can't remember or have deliberately forgotten it

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and is pretty marginal in terms of what it covers and how it's used - stuff in the cosmetic/elective areas, nicer hospital rooms, a bit of queue jumping. The only people that I know who have it, get it cheap through workplace schemes and often it's rarely, if at all, used - the NHS is still very much core for them. I had it myself for several years (dirt cheap, very limited, through a company's flexible benefit scheme) and never used it - it covered a family of two adults and two teenagers but, given its narrow cover and the comprehensive nature of NHS services, the insurance was effectively moot.

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No Canadian I've ever known has used that 'convenience' as a safety valve. That Canadians have been racing across the border for treatment has been researched and completely debunked. In fact, Ontario had to redo all of its health-cards because so many from the U.S. living just across the border were using them from relatives or people they knew in Ontario to get care up here. Look it up .... it's true.

Our system works just fine!, and we don't depend on treatment from the U.S. any more than you do us.

We have no military?? Tell that to all the Canadians who died fighting in the worst areas of Afghanistan. Or the families of the hundreds who've committed suicide since returning. How nasty.

Btw ........... Canada fought and died in both world wars before the U.S. even got interested. My family lost young men in both right at the beginning. They were very much part of the military.

And ....... we have a very diverse economy, we don't depend completely on 'resources to sell'. Your stereo-types are pretty simplistic.

Our system works because some very smart people designed it to, and continue to do so every day.

You really should do a little research.

They don't even pretend to be liberals anymore.

Not sure where that mud was scraped up from.

As to the 'small population' making our system more possible ......... what a load.

A larger population and purchasing/taxes pool from which to collect from obviously means a larger amount available to go towards health care.

If anything, our small population shows just how possible it is for the opposite reason he/she is trying to make out - we've accomplished some great things - state-of-the-art, world renowned facilities, research centres and great medical advances, brand new clinics/hospitals in even the most rural settings, equal or even better health outcomes, longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, etc. - all with a much smaller pot from which to draw.

I'm not an economist, but does it even make sense that a larger population wouldn't be able to come up with the funds?

They're reaching to the bottom of their bag of shit at this stage.

Resistance is futile...

the table. This is a California Democrat whose seat could not be safer for as long as she wants it, unless she shows up to the House with her clothes on backwards.. She is not doing this for her own benefit.

showed her true colors a long time ago. Just another sell out.

part of her responsibility is driving the agenda of the head of her Party.

She hasn't done any of that, IMO. Including the party agenda bit.

Saying something is difficult to attain is a lousy excuse for not trying.

There are already term limits on the presidency, so why not congress?

And we already have the option of primarying her/or anyone in congress.

We need to do this more.

I always thought Nancy Pelosi was pretty cool but not lately. She is just following the company line.

"No health care for you" Pelosi...

She's not the leader I'm looking for.

...but since the Sanders' folks aren't spending a minutes time to get any progressive Dems elected with him, the odds aren't going to get better.

And another "Not Enough Bernie"

Pelosi is a symptom of what's wrong in DC. She is a quitter who has given up on the citizens and is now beholden to the 1%.

Who've you got to run for Senate in KY against Rand Paul? The announced Democrat is a "wealthy businessman" so I don't think you'll be happy.

Who've you got to run against Russ Feingold in WI? He may be progressive, but he doesn't like Bernie's chances and he's not campaigning on free tuition or Single Payer.

You are another one who doesn't want me to have access to proper health care: because?

You sound like the old regressives who claimed:
We'll never get to the moon. Equal rights is not gonna happen.

But you got yours, so screw everyone else, right?

But assuming you're going to vote for him, you apparently don't want you to have access to proper health care either, because you're not working to elect the House and Senate members he'll need to pass it. Apparently that's....my job?

I don't depend on you for anything except stay out of the way of getting health care for all. Can you even do that little bit? Please, just stand aside as we make progress.

She has actually held a real leadership position and struggled to get the ACA passed.

the senate did not have 60 votes for closure

when us damn liberals,led by rachel m, started saying,pass it thru reconciliation(50 vote threshold), the senate produced the aca (with everything obama campaigned against like no public option, mandatory requirements and penalties)

and pelosi had trouble ramming that thru the house

is toast. She knows it-you should too. The last Democrat that ran on raising taxes was Walter Mondale-he won one state-his home state of MN. Good luck with that.

Yes, Raise taxes on the rich and make it so the working people get health care and more take home pay because they don't have to give money to insurance companies.

Hopefully you will understand one day the basics of this.

They all get their "employee" healthcare subsidized with our tax dollars.

something about themselves they may regret...very much so.

but, she wouldn't get that awesome healthcare she has now.

Of course, if we had single payer, medicare for all, she would.

who needs Republicans?

Of course it's better that millions die of unaffordable health care than to allow a few oligarchs to lose a little bit of their leverage over government and society. Duh.

All progressives should support her opponent in the primary. I am.