2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSmackdown to Sanders-“We’re not running on any platform of raising taxes,” Pelosi said.
Thanks Nancy
Pelosi throws cold water on Sanders' health plan
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(J. Scott Applewhite / Associated Press)
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi took aim at a core proposal of Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign, saying Wednesday that his Medicare-for-all health plan is "not going to happen."
Does anyone in this room think that were going to be discussing single payer?" Pelosi said at a news conference in Baltimore kicking off the House Democrats' annual policy conference.
"Ive been for single payer for 30 years," Pelosi said. But, she said, "thats not going to happen.
Sanders defended his Medicare-for-all proposal during Monday's Democratic presidential forum, saying it would eliminate private health insurance premiums even if it requires higher taxes.
But Pelosi made clear that the taxes needed to pay for Sanders' plan were not something House Democrats were eager to embrace.
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virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Only JFK delivered them, incidentally, but still.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)who pay very low taxes. This is right wing framing.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)not 48% as they are now.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Clinton ran on cutting Reagan's tax rates for people making under IIRC $200K in 1992 (which is like $300K now).
We can win (though it's dicey) by running on raising taxes on very rich people. And I mean very rich people, like the top 5% or so.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)That's so far from where we are now, it's hardly worth talking about.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Is paying more than enough in taxes.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and besides, there are plenty of loopholes for their lawyers and accountants to use to bring that rate down.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Resistance is futile
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)If Sanders is the nominee those of us in red districts trying to grab local seats can't have the onus of Bush I "read my lips" type issue on our hands. In the middle of the President and us "little people" is the HOR. Sanders is going to need lots of little disruptors on the school board and town council so he can bypass the House. Down ticket means more than just Federal Government elections.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)In Horse Country NJ.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Interesting . . .
mmonk
(52,589 posts)in their aggressive attacks on Sanders. By doing so, they are angering an already angry public.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Then she can retire and leave the job to someone who does respect the voters.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)to think for themselves, but those in leadership positions can't. Hmm.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Bernie is now a Democrat though, and if he wins the nomination then the Democratic base are approving his platform. For Pelosi to turn around and say 'we aren't running on that' would be nothing more of less than a slap in the face of every Democratic voter. Not acceptable, she's a representative of the party, not the owner of the party.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)You'll run on whatever the future Democratic nominee tells you to or you can leave your party leadership position to someone who actually wants to push the agenda that Democratic voters actually voted for. Thanks muchly.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Us and how we've been ignored by the establishment for decades. If you understand that, then you understand why his campaign is achieving what it is achieving.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)the response is invariably that it's not about Bernie's fans it's about Bernie himself.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)If Hillary wins the nomination I'll enjoy watching you tell us 'loonies' that we need to support her.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)If that's not acceptable, then you leave. There's always a choice.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Our party never fights for a damned thing
http://www.rollcall.com/news/-43656-1.html
"Feb. 28, 2010, 10:16 a.m.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) predicted Sunday that she would find the votes to pass a health care overhaul and said Democrats had already made major concessions to Republicans, including ditching the public insurance option.
A year later, were closer to what Republicans were suggesting at that time, an exchange and not a public option, she said on CNNs State of the Union.
Pelosi said, There is no public option on the table now.
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)What party is she working for? Do you notice a pattern here?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)They've gotten us nowhere. Worse, they've taken us from a majority in Congress to a minority. It's what happens when you don't promise the people anything.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
merrily
(45,251 posts)since 1928.
You know when Congressional Democrats did extraordinarily well at ballot boxes and voting booths? When they were New Deal Democrats instead of New Democrats. They began struggling in 1994.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Voters: please return these democrats to the manufacturer at your earliest convenience.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)She's so FOS that if we gave her an enema, she'd lose a good four feet of height.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)I'm not a Pelosi fan, but single payer isn't going to pass (we BARELY passed ACA) and running on a platform of raising taxes is political suicide.
"No We Can't".
Vinca
(50,276 posts)Wouldn't want a billionaire to pay another percentage or 2 in taxes so a poor kid can get an education.
Gothmog
(145,302 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)leftupnorth
(886 posts)And absolute cowardice in the face of blood thirsty war mongers.
And keeping the powder dry.
And stabbing the people in the back.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)it always has been and the GOP will slaughter Sanders if he is the nominee on that issue and most democrats running for office will run away from him on that issue.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)"platform of raising taxes". What they're discussing now is fine with me.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Democrats in a nutshell
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'd rather pay a bit more in taxes and save thousands by not having to fork it over to for-profit insurance companies and still owe co-pays and deductible.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)The 1% is doomed.
Yupy
(154 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the table.
What is her net worth, by the way?
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Well yeah, when you have that attitude, Nancy, it's not gonna happen.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)Weak Democrats will no longer be tolerated.
Burn it down, Bernie!
Her speaking out like this means he really IS a threat.
Good.
Getting him in means getting these Democratic clowns in line.
They either update their views or they hit the exit.
We're not going for that half-hearted Obama era again.
Full heart or NOTHING.
John Lucas
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)I stopped voting for Pelosi. She LOVES the private sector and private sector $$$. She is one of the people who pioneered the whole "public/private partnership" funding craze where citizen-owned assets are leased/sold to private enterprises for development. I am fighting her legacy RIGHT NOW here in San Francisco, where a historic, San Franciscan-owned property is being handed over to a for-profit entity.
Our Palace of Fine Arts -- owned by the people of San Francisco -- is being leased out from under us to a private group which plans on developing it into a boutique hotel!
And WHY?? Because Democrats like Pelosi refuse to raise TAXES to pay for what We the People own as the Commons or deserve as citizens. So screw Pelosi, and screw any Democrat who is too owned or too cowardly to DO WHAT IS RIGHT for the people of this country.