2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs America Ready to elect a non-religious president?
Sanders hasn't quite called himself an atheist, but he's come pretty close. Is America --which is by some measure the most religious country in the developed world - ready to elect an all but self-declared atheist? One thing that certainly will keep Sanders from making strong inroads with African American voters in the South is his lack of interest in religion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-finally-answers-the-god-question/2016/01/26/83429390-bfb0-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_sandersreligion-7am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Make up your mind.
The attacks can come from either side, just want to know where to look.
merrily
(45,251 posts)they are proliferating. Hillary's surrogates have been on TV with this stuff
Having religion = being religious
Some definitions of religion:
re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj?ən) n.
1.
a. The belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers, regarded as creating and governing the universe: respect for religion.
b. A particular variety of such belief, especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice: the world's many religions.
c. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order: a widow who went into religion and became a nun.
3. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion: a person for whom art became a religion.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
religion (rɪˈlɪdʒən)
n
1. belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2. any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion.
3. the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
4. (Roman Catholic Church) chiefly RC Church the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion.
5. something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion.
6. archaic
a. the practice of sacred ritual observances
b. sacred rites and ceremonies
[C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind]
Collins English Dictionary Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
religion (rɪˈlɪdʒ ən) n.
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usu. involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code for the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something a person believes in and follows devotedly.
7. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Religion. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.
Christian: One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.
Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner, confessedly unworthy.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Right now, I care that this thread and others like it are disgusting attacks on Sanders.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)they've tried everything else so far to smear him. Religion is one of the few left that they hadn't used until now.
merrily
(45,251 posts)"socialist" and how polls show Americans will not vote for either for President.
He said he believes in God, though not a traditional God. That's it. He's not an atheist.
No one has a right to judge his religious beliefs or his view of God. This thread is religious bigotry, plain and simple. It's disgusting.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And claiming he's not really Jewish is anti-Semitic as well.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Since Bernie is not claiming that his religion is Judaism, I am not sure it's anti-semitism. However, it is religious bigotry.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I would consider the op's claim that he's not "culturally Jewish" anti-Semitic.
They haven't explained what they meant by that yet and I doubt they will.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I think there's more to being a Jew than just the religion, but I think Judaism is the religion. However, I'm not sure and don't want to spread disinformation. It's probably better to get the info from a Jew.
In any event, this is about electability. Polls show that a bit under 50% of Americans say they would vote for an atheist. So, the Hillary campaign is hitting on atheism to say Bernie's not electible in the general because he's an atheist. However, since Bernie has said he believes in God, he's not an atheist, end of fucking story. You don't then pick apart his concept of God and reject it. That's religious bigotry.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But the op's dig about him not sharing AA's faith is a blatant dog whistle, one that's been used here once before.
And that's why they're spreading these rumours.
merrily
(45,251 posts)But the op's dig about him not sharing AA's faith is a blatant dog whistle
Agree, but it's also about polling that shows that under 50% of Americans says they would vote for an atheist for President.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)To turn off AAs and Christians.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Anyone of any persuasion who would rather not see an atheist as President.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Once, but I got a hide shaming them. It worked. They dropped the conversation.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)In fact, probably several of them.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)And arguably the first and second, among many others.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)But I will be proud, as a non-practicing Christian, to vote for our first Jewish President, and am glad that it has not become an issue. It may in the GE, but being anti-semetic is no longer the "in" thing to do.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)wondering about the country at large.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)It's religious bigotry and religious bigotry is shameful and disgusting.
Every time I think DUers can't possibly go any lower to attack Sanders, they do.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)you'll see that his not all that culturally jewish and he is not at all religious. I wasn't wondering about his cultural background, but his self-avowed lack of religious conviction.
merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:05 AM - Edit history (1)
Now you're claiming he's not Jewish enough to be called Jewish?
What website am I on again?
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)to apply the "New York culture" label to him if he wants.
Seriously, how the hell do you know how "Jewish" he is?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Seems to me we were told by Hillary supporters in '08 that America would never elect a one term AA senator with a weird name, too.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Guess they couldn't get away with attacking his Religion without upsetting Israel, so they're going to go the other way and claim he's an atheist.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)It's unacceptable to run a Christian/religious purity meme. And, likely, politically stupid. At least I hope so.
Health Wagon
(99 posts)My local Jewish community is backing Bernie. Clinton is too dangerous.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)I mean, didn't he loose a lot of family in the holocaust? And isn't that why his family came to America?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)nt.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Most of America is non-religious. So, that's the new meme? "SOSHULIST!!!111!!" isn't working, now he's godless. Well, why not? They've thrown everything else at him, why not this?
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I think it's a good thing, and I'm a Hillary supporter. I don't see being called an atheist is an attack on Bernie, or on anybody.
Bernie is really not the perpetual victim you think he is, and I don't think you're doing him a favor by trying to make him one.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Oh, goddess.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I don't give a shit whether or not Bernie, or anyone else, believes in a god or not. I don't know and don't care. I'm an atheist myself, but I can even understand why he would lie about it if he were an atheist, or leaning towards atheism (as more and more Americans are), given the false premise that an American president must be religious (or, more likely appear to be).
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but a large portion of this fucked up country does, so if you want to through a monkey wrench in the campaign you spread rumors about the opponent being an atheist.
merrily
(45,251 posts)And guess why the Hillary campaign is spreading this lie.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Are you kidding?
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)"Bible belt 'round Anglo waste" is still the status-quo for quite a bit of the south, to crib a Brian Warner quote.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)which is just really a fancy name for atheism.
I am not actively involved with organized religion, Sanders said in a recent interview.
Sanders said he believes in God, though not necessarily in a traditional manner.
I think everyone believes in God in their own ways, he said. To me, it means that all of us are connected, all of life is connected, and that we are all tied together.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)pantheism = the belief that God is the Universe and the universe is God. There is no difference between them. God is not a thing that transcends the universe. it just IS the universe.
Atheism = the belief that there is nothing beyond the universe. the universe is the totality of all that is and nothing "transcends" it.
The pantheist and the atheist agree on what exist. The pantheist calls that thing god. the atheist refuses to.
Pantheism is thus just atheism by another name.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I can play the make up a definition game too!
Atheists are simply people who believe in one less god than monotheists.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)your little brain.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)noun
Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Origin
Late 16th century: from French athéisme, from Greek atheos, from a- 'without' + theos 'god'.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/atheism
TacoD
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riversedge
(70,242 posts)thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)It means the jury system is imperfect. This is not news.
bvf
(6,604 posts)everywhere in this way of thinking, the concept still infers a separate, higher intelligence.
Atheism decidedly makes no such inference. Stop showing your ignorance.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)that's panentheism.
subtle but important difference.
And really, I'm not at all ignorant. I teach this stuff.
Here's a wikapedia article to help enlighten you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
Here's an article from an encyclopedia of philosophy to help too.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pantheism/
bvf
(6,604 posts)As for religious scholarship, which is what you're essentially laying claim to: it's an empty pursuit, posing as erudition.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Atheism is, quite literally, the lack of belief in a god. Yet you assert that it is a belief anyway.
And you "teach this stuff"?
Thanks for giving the anti-education lobby more ammo for their argument regarding 'bad teachers'.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You could be right but their refusal to accept that Bernie's a "real" Jew also sounds familiar.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Conserevapedia says it's God in everything, which would include objects. At that, so the fuck what? It's still not atheism! However, Bernie statement was only about people.
merrily
(45,251 posts)He said he believes in one God, not a pantheon and pantheism is not a synonym for atheism.
Sanders said he believes in God, though not necessarily in a traditional manner.
Exactly. He believes in God. How the hell do you think you have the right to judge or dismiss his belief in God?
This is a thread of religious bigotry. It's shameful, disgraceful and disgusting.
bvf
(6,604 posts)You have no idea what you're talking about.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)at thirty paces?
http://www.pantheism.net/atheism.htm
A common, mistaken, (and quite arrogant) argument is that atheism is "lacking" something. This piece relies on that argument in spades.
As for matching wits, you appear unarmed.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Pantheist is not a fancy name for atheism. Go and actually talk to some of each about what they feel and you'll find out.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)...the truth doesn't matter.
But, no, America is not ready to elect an unabashed atheist today. However, atheists are growing at a rapid rate, so who knows what will come in a generation or two.
merrily
(45,251 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)The point is that many more people than atheists believe that we should not have a theocracy...that religion and government should be separate, and that good people and good leaders do not necessarily have to share our personal beliefs to support them.
You do not have to be an atheist to think religion should not be part of our government.
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)But a few of the media have begun the vetting process.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)by saying he needs to be vetted. Pretty clear what you were suggesting.
But I of course understand if you want to backpedal now.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)I am referring to r--and in small religious. And yes, Sanders needs to be vetted. bye
jeff47
(26,549 posts)So either you decided to make an utterly irrelevant post on a completely different topic, or you're saying his religion needs to be vetted.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)and let's find out how "Jewish" he is.
You really need to think about what you are typing.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)organized Religion -including Jewish.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)in regard to his religion? Please comprehend that I was replying to your statement and not the article.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)in small r and NOT big r and in organized religion. That said--I do not know what they will find. Nor do I care much. religion has never been big in my life--big r or small r.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Calls for religious tests such as yours (nobody gives a shit about your "R"-vs.-"r" argument, either--it's pure deflection) are abhorrent and hateful.
There's no walking that bigoted crap back.
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)Trump to Sanders. Trump is not going to be president of the US.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)His self avowed socialism and atheism will be front and center in every republican attack ad.
Yup Bernie will be painted by the rethuglicans as a godless commie, count on that. I figure he would be about as popular as McGovern was with the same results as him in the GE.
So then get ready for president Trump, a packed SCOTUS full of hardcore right wing ideologues and 8 years of living hell under the teahaddists.
If you think things are bad now....you ain't seen nothing yet if the republicans gain control of the government again for 8 years and the SCOTUS for the next 30 or 40 years or so.
At least we will know who to blame.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Since he has never said he is neither, it's kind of awesome that you are pushing right-wing talking points.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)You won't find any, because you are lying.
Yes, we know exactly who to blame if the Republicans gain control.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)"Bernie will be painted by the rethuglicans as a godless commie"
Just like Hillary will be, just like Obama was. Just like every opponent they have. I expect it from them.
I don't expect it from other Democrats like I see here everyday.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)religious candidates running. Now this is completely wrong in Hillary's case. She's actually extremely religious - and I use the word 'extremely' literally, since she's a Dominionist and an admirer of a man she referred to as her spiritual mentor, David Coe of 'The Family', a group that believes in gaining control of politicians around the world to create a Christian global theocracy in spirit, if not name, since they prefer to keep in the shadows.
So if the polls about what Americans think are true, and if America is 'not ready to elect a non-religious President', then Hillary is the one who is hurt by that problem. Still, it's probably better for her to be hurt by people thinking her not to be religious than for them to actually understand her religious beliefs.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)if this is all that is left, then hillary is officially toast on issues.
jeez, first, there are antisemitic attacks, now he is not religious enough. this is getting very hard to follow. maybe you guys could get together to coordinate, like on another website or something.......
SDJay
(1,089 posts)From what I've read and understand, Bernie is not an atheist. He simply chooses not to push it into people's faces in public, which I really respect given how so many Rs never STFU about how they love them some Republican Jesus, as he's the foundation of their hatred for basically everyone.
In fact, I'd guess - and let's be honest, all we can do is guess - that he's more publicly honest about his beliefs than Hillary or even Obama, whom I've always thought to be a closet agnostic. But again, that's just a guess. Religion is just part of the whole kabuki dance of being a public figure in this country, and I don't like that at all.
It's strange, too, in that atheists/agnostics now make up a pretty big part of the population. Something around 20-25 percent if I recall correctly, which makes them the second largest group. You'd think it wouldn't be political voodoo to just acknowledge what you believe or don't, but it still is.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)most religions, actually are not. people get confused because christianity is huge on proselytizing and get in people's face all the time, so some think if you are not harassing someone hourly about their faith, then you don't have one.
interestingly enough, the other big conversion/proselytizing religion is islam.
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)Religion of the candidate always rears it's ugly head. So much so that candidate have suddenly found God to make sure they don't get attacked by the religious fanatics.
He will either suddenly find a church that he will have claimed to attend for years or lose.
DreWId
(78 posts)bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)This is a majority Christian, majority Protestant country. A religious Jew might make people nervous. Even JFK, a Catholic, had to distance himself from his church.
Someone a little more secular can reach across to Christians more easily and come off as less threatening to their beliefs. Religious Christians on the other hand may distrust one of their own who broke away from the fold more than they trust someone from a different tradition.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Shame on you for bringing it here.
He's a racist!!!11!!! didn't work.
Guns attacks didn't work.
Healthcare attacks didn't Work.
Red Baiting - SOCIALIST!!!111!!!11! Didn't work.
So now you've moved onto religious bigotry. Pathetic and shameful
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)They have no ethics. None. Nada. Zip. Zero!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But I guess intolerance against Bernie is just fine.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)The crap they've gotten away with here would have never have been allowed if it was aimed at HRH.
This one really takes the cake.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)They want people to say how Jewish he actually is so they can go back to #NewYorkJew
It's despicable.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Notice how the other Hillary supporters are either agreeing with this or silent?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)And it's been brought to DU...the "Liberal" bastion of the interwebs.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)And, no, probably not. If Sanders were to come out and say he is an atheist, that would be it. What he said in that interview is likely as close as anybody is going to get to saying they are an atheist.
Why should his lack of interest in religion make him unappealing to African American voters? Do they think he is going to outlaw religion? I mean, he's Jewish which gives a certain level of tension to Christianity. Why isn't that hurting him?
kennetha
(3,666 posts)I'm a dyed in the wool atheist. I would love to see a self-declared atheist as president someday.
African American are among the most religious people in America, especially in the South and are highly suspicious of people who lack religion.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't believe you, no atheist I know defines atheism as believing in God.
merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Just like in 2008.
merrily
(45,251 posts)There are at least two threads like this here right now.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Jews live Judaism. It's the fabric of their lives. If he had a Bar Mitzvah he was in Hebrew school CONSTANTLY. It means he knows more about religion than most people....including Christians who go to church 5 times a week.
Perhaps, as an adult, he chose his own path to be a non practicing Jew. So what! It doesn't mean jack shit. He said he believes in G-D. And that's more than anyone needed to know because IN THIS COUNTRY, we do NOT have a religious litmus test! That's disgusting.
And what's really unconscionable is having that RELIGIOUS LITMUS TEST BROUGHT HERE BY HRH's supporters...because they know she's losing Iowa and NH. It's despicable.
PEACE
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BERNIE
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)Bad Thoughts
(2,524 posts)First, "is America ready" is a dangerous meme that has no place in the Democratic Party. It can be applied broadly and loosely to many individuals and groups, disempowering them. Is America ready for a Catholic? An African-American? An Hispanic? A Woman? There will be few who are immune is we decide that the question deserves to be pursued. Every candidate will of course struggle in presenting their biography to the American people, integrating personal beliefs with political practices. However, saying that "America is not ready" for one kind of person or another can have a damaging effect on all people of that group.
Second, Judaism is not the decrepit grandfather of Christianity. You keep trying to apply Christian concepts of theism to Judaism that don't hold. Monotheism and idolatry are fairly different, to the point that representations of G-d are impossible and speculation about the nature of G-d is fraught. I'd say that the nature of G-d is a secondary concern to most Jews; even the most orthodox will focus on the meaning of commandments and how to put them into practice. Indeed, it is the interpretation of the commandments that divides Jews more. Subsequently, the many different interpretations of the nature of G-d not only co-exist, they are often peripheral. In the end, the binary between theism and pantheism, or the supposed association of pantheism and non-religion don't really exist in the context of Judaism.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)This would not be an issue anywhere else in the developed world. In the UK we have a state religion and the end result is the least religious country in the developed world. Socialism isn't a dirty word over here either, we Socialists are proud to call ourselves as such.
Jeremy Corbyn is a Socialist, Sanders isn't, not by a long chalk.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)...... as much as the Bible is Hillary's favorite book.
jfern
(5,204 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I believe all Democrats on our side can take the Christian vote.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)under the United States."
Article VI, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Why doesn't Bernie step up and spell out exactly what he believes in? Is it a big secret or something?
Do his backers actually think the republicans would not use his religion or lack thereof as a weapon against him?
Just like his socialism will be called communism, his religion...or not, whatever (I'm confused ) will be all over the country in republican attack ads.
Better to deal with it now and settle it. What's the big deal?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)One's religion is nobody else's business.
But, yeah, Rs will do garbage.
bvf
(6,604 posts)There's a ton of garbage being done right here in this thread. You just responded to some.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)religion *should* have nothing to do with it.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)But I will settle for anyone who does not try to push their fairh onto the public.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...since Reagan, so maybe it's time to try something different, eh?
I couldn't help saying this, I feel it so strongly. The presidents and other politicians who have robbed us blind over the last 3 1/2 decades, have sent our young people to die in unjust wars, have slaughtered millions, and have utterly abandoned the poor majority, meanwhile parading themselves as religious, make me sick!
My first thought was to ignore this outrageous attack on Bernie Sanders, a man of Jewish heritage who actually practices the best values of the Judeo-Christian tradition, such as honesty, compassion, helping the poor and pursuing justice. But I can't ignore it. Feeding religious prejudice is truly foul, and is just as dangerous as other kinds of xenophobia.
I don't know if this disgusting OP was a put-up job for or by the Clinton campaign, or merely a clueless partisan acting unilaterally. Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton doesn't have a good record as to "dirty tricks," lies and slander. All I can say is that it is a scurrilous OP that makes the Clinton campaign look very bad, indeed, whether they are guilty of it or not, and it will surely backfire on them, whether they deserve it or not.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:38 AM - Edit history (1)
It's about time we got God out of the White house.