I should just shut up and worship the Bern!

to translate Nu Pogodi into English!

Very brave of the op to admit they don't know what communism is. Someone did post an informative video, let's hope the op watches it.

Anything?

What would he want nationalized. Banks? Major industries? What?

Your working definition -- one who would nationalize one or more industries -- ignores the way the word is frequently used today to describe states with things like a generous safety net, generous public benefits like free health care and education, and strong regulations and oversight of business.

of major industries. The things you describe as a believer in a generous social safety net, strong environmental/labor regulation makes one a progressive/liberal or in Europe a Social Democrat. But not a Democratic Socialist. Or any kind of socialist. I think my working definitions are fine and you are wrong but thanks for the civility.

Is it necessary to exercise day to day control in order to be the beneficiary of some portion of the rights associated with ownership?

My year of law school. So I know just enough law to be dangerous. Remember the bundle of rights though and made a B in the class.

Demagoguery is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side. Demagoguery is a manipulative approach — often associated with dictators and sleazy politicians — that appeals to the worst nature of people.
demagoguery - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/demagoguery

You have a kindergarten level of understanding on this topic.

You argue so masterfully.

...derive from the most charitable interpretation of your remarks.

he isn't a socialist. He should at least be for cooperatives of industry with labor and capitaliats sharing ownerahip. I am beginning to think his supporters don't know what a socoalist is. They seem to think it ia just a really liberal person.

Totally put their minds at ease. Like most of the predictable responses here.

Just imagine what will happen when I invoke Chairman Meow:

Im sure rhey will get whatever you are trying to say.

You're certainly not getting it. But I have faith, hang in there.

You don't have an answer because you don't know?

I am done with you.

You just didn't realize it.

I rec'd your thread, btw - it's a scream!

Or de-privatize it a bit.

--imm

Get to your point. In all honesty.

But should he be our nominee, better answers than "red baiter! 1! 1" had better be forthcoming.

You want to try http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm

or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

or are you actually asking for more of an elevator pitch.

Read, summarize for yourself.

Busky, Donald F. (July 20, 2000). Democratic Socialism: A Global Survey. Praeger. pp. 7–8. ISBN 978-0275968861. Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political democracy. Sometimes simply called socialism, more often than not, the adjective democratic is added by democratic socialists to attempt to distinguish themselves from Communists who also call themselves socialists...democratic socialists wish to emphasize by their name that they disagree strongly with the Marxist-Leninist brand of socialism.

And summarize

Try again.

Because it is a serious academic source.

dynamic of politics and history.

Busky's fine. In recent history Socialists have tried to distinguish themselves from Communists, their obvious context being the mass hysteria over all things 'red,' and the lingering memory of stigmatizing witch hunts that our Congress staged.

You presented the definition. So I conclude that you also agree with Busky.

I see Capitalism's strengths and weaknesses played out beside the Communist Chinese government. It's the 'ownership' state that's still around. Democracies can opt to become socialist or communist because the people still have a structural mechanism for opting out of a structure that becomes too authoritarian. Not so in theocracies or monarchies.

Are you done here?

And I have never thought for a second Sanders is a Marxist-Lenninist or any other form of authoritarian. Frankly I think he is more a social democrat than a socialist, or at least his platform for president is.

As for Chinese Communism, I mean, they were never really in a state of communism by the Marxist defition and they aren't even very socialist now. More of a mixed economy with an authoritarian government. No?

official 'story'.

Is it all serious? To me, no. When believers get involved, it's a matter of life and death.

Land base resource competition is the serious stuff of states -- extraction, energy, currencies. The politics is just the easy or hard means by which landbase resources get turned into symbols of value exchange.

Whole swaths of humanity ignore all this and run their own economies. The only scary things to humans these days is needless war and death.

enough for any slice of the populace to no longer be "swing." They don't want to know the past political actions of the candidates or they would already. They'd line up the "likes/dislikes" of those actions and decide.

Truthfully, this "swing" idea is bullshit. It allows all manner of shananigans in the electronic rigging industry. Anyone calling themselves "swing" just like the cache of being open and skeptical when they actually don't care, don't do their homework, and will flip a coin in the voting booth.

that wants to silence those that don't agree. You know, alert, lock, hide and ban. But you haven't even said anything. It's simple to insinuate but much harder to actually stand up and make an acquisition. And harder even yet to back up the insinuation. I think that insinuation via question is a conservative tactic, you know like Fox Noise ala. "Was Obama born in the USA?" "Is Sanders a Communist?".

If you really think that Sen Sanders is a communist (popular meme with conservatives), spit it out. Show some evidence. Make it a real discussion.

This person has sent me three unsolicited and unanswered messages telling me to do just that.

INdemo
re: After your remark about Bernie Sanders and Communism you need to leave..
> And dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
> Go on back to your Freepers Forum

So, uh? yeah.

Don't care who you support.

There's too much private property in this world.

Serious question.

Serios question. If the answer is nothing he isn't a socialist. If he is a socialist what would he nationalize.

And I know that a socialist isn't just a super liberal. It meams that the workers should have control over their places of work. Often this takes the form of goverment ownership or cooperative ownership in which capital and labor share in the decision making. Just being for a social safety net and effective regulations is not socialism. It has become quite clear that many of his aupporters think a socialist os just a very liberal/left person. It is not.

Busky, Donald F. (July 20, 2000). Democratic Socialism: A Global Survey. Praeger. pp. 7–8. ISBN 978-0275968861. Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political democracy. Sometimes simply called socialism, more often than not, the adjective democratic is added by democratic socialists to attempt to distinguish themselves from Communists who also call themselves socialists...democratic socialists wish to emphasize by their name that they disagree strongly with the Marxist-Leninist brand of socialism.

Busky, Donald F. (July 20, 2000). Democratic Socialism: A Global Survey. Praeger. pp. 7–8. ISBN 978-0275968861. Democratic socialism is the wing of the socialist movement that combines a belief in a socially owned economy with that of political democracy. Sometimes simply called socialism, more often than not, the adjective democratic is added by democratic socialists to attempt to distinguish themselves from Communists who also call themselves socialists...democratic socialists wish to emphasize by their name that they disagree strongly with the Marxist-Leninist brand of socialism.

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Besides, you fail to include what SBS states as HIS INTERPRETATION of Democratic Socialism.


The US already has a regulated capitalistic economy, political democracy (though now being restricted), and elements of a welfare state. This would just expand on some of the regulations that were in place in prior American governmental art, expand medical coverage beyond current art, and open up the voting elements which were restricted, expanded, and restricted though various states in American history.


Keep up with the obfuscation or blurred interpretations.

It's almost like conversing with an F. A. Hayek / Ayn Rand fan, so I don't waste much time doing so.


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Amd no academic in the poly-sci field anywhere in the world thinks it is. There may be one or two pier reviewed profs somewhere who think that but they would be as rare as the handful of climate scientists who dont believe inan made climate change.

It's about a third of a way in.

I mean really, wtf?

the bunkers will be built by the workers driving the red diggers from 1972.
In before lock.

HE IS A COMMIE.

Fuck this red baiting shit. It's so played out and ridiculous.

"If we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men." Edward Murrow

Made from, well....you know

What they don't realise is how badly that reflects on them.

What liberal doesn't know the difference between communism and democratic socialism?

Reading their posts is like watching Archie Bunker sometimes.

And desperation fill the air with the smell of bovine excrement, nothing substantial to discuss the red baiting will only get worse

We are going to take all of your money and all of your assets and give them to people who haven't even finished high school and make you clean their toilets. Oh and some of them don't have teeth. And some of them have a bit of a drinking problem. And some of them will probably tell you that you missed a spot.

Is that some sort of pasta?

...when I read that. My surviving family members would not be too stoked.

How childish.

Sweet Jesus, is this what it's come to?

You're a teacher, isn't this covered in high school civics?

Of course it has to be covered delicately because teabagger parents will complain.

Yes, I said alert results. As in, someone actually alerted on your post. Enjoy:

On Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:15 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Where did these people go to school?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1089237

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The remarks attack the reputation, education, and intelligence of the poster.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:24 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Frivolous Alert.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Unless I missed a meeting, it is not against the goddamned rules to question the intelligence of someone who posts something stupid. Quit wasting my time with your partisan hackery.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: mild compared to most lately...
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wtf?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Thank you jurors!

That's the 4th 7-0 verdict on one of my posts in as many days.

The swarm is slipping.

I just realized we both have Cute-thulhu's in our posts

Baby swarmers, so to speak.

as well as their state-run, anti-profit, commissar-controlled companies such as Nokia, Volvo, and Electrolux. Just the other day at Ikea, I saw employees with name badges that read "Comrade John" and "Political Officer Mary". Could of sworn I could hear gunshots executing rich people out back.

The firing squads are so noisy!

could afford some damn silencers, right?

And he was not too happy when Wall Street helped many Americans lose theirs. Someone should tell the person who started this obnoxious thread.

Nothing else needs to be said!

doesn't seem like it.

Is your question a backhanded way of asking if Bernie Sanders is a communist? Trying to ring that bell again are we? Senators Shaheen and Granholm doing it wasn't good enough? Or maybe it died away sooner than y'all thought it would?