2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI proudly stand with the New York Times in their endorsement of Hillary Clinton
for the Democratic
Nomination
Voters have the chance to choose one of
the most broadly and deeply qualified
presidential candidates in modern history.
For the past painful year, the Republican presidential contenders have been bombarding Americans with empty propaganda slogans and competing, bizarrely, to present themselves as the least experienced person for the most important elected job in the world. Democratic primary voters, on the other hand, after a substantive debate over real issues, have the chance to nominate one of the most broadly and deeply qualified presidential candidates in modern history.
Hillary Clinton would be the first woman nominated by a major party. She served as a senator from a major state (New York) and as secretary of state not to mention her experience on the national stage as first lady with her brilliant and flawed husband, President Bill Clinton. The Times editorial board has endorsed her three times for federal office twice for Senate and once in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary and is doing so again with confidence and enthusiasm.
Mrs. Clintons main opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders, a self-described Democratic Socialist, has proved to be more formidable than most people, including Mrs. Clinton, anticipated. He has brought income inequality and the lingering pain of the middle class to center stage and pushed Mrs. Clinton a bit more to the left than she might have gone on economic issues. Mr. Sanders has also surfaced important foreign policy questions, including the need for greater restraint in the use of military force.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/opinion/sunday/hillary-clinton-endorsement.html?_r=0
ENJOY YOUR SATURDAY
ram2008
(1,238 posts)I stand with their endorsement of picking the losing candidate.
George II
(67,782 posts).....she's the only strong Democrat in the race.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And why is she suddenly crying for more debates after 8 months of ducking and dodging them if she is such a sure thing?
George II
(67,782 posts)....here on DU? Five threads, all five bashing Clinton for one thing or another:
Somthing amazing just happened!
349 recs : By Bubzer
Fuck Them
252 recs : By liberalnarb
Susan Sarandon: Hillary failed me
221 recs : By Cheese Sandwich
Time To Move On
216 recs : By angrychair
Hillary Helps Swiss Bank Avoid IRSand Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons
153 recs : By snagglepuss
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)Sorry if that offends some but I for one will continue to tell it like it is about her and what a terrible president she would make.
SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)Hillary is not "crying" for more debates. Sanders and O'Malley are.
It is not Hillary supporters but some Sanders supporters and Sanders campaign staff that have gone off the "deep end." So much so that they have had to issue an apology.
It's not Hillary supporters who have been swarming people's Facebook pages for endorsing a top Dem candidate. It is not Hillary supporters who berate and accuse people of color of having "Stockholm" or women of "voting with their vaginas" just because they support the rival Dem candidate.
Your post encapsulates how truly divorced from the facts some Sanders supporters have become.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)When undecided voters see the crap they constantly say about Clinton, it's definitely not going to make them break towards Sanders. It's funny how he always talks about how he refuses to attack or go negative (a LIE), but his supporters are rabidly attacking Clinton instead of building up their own candidate.
I've never seen a group of people so eager to claim they are victims at the same time they are viciously attacking other people.
BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)Thanks for the chuckle. I too am aging and laughing is healthy internal jogging.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)But yes, she definitely represents the current party the best.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Anyone ever inquire what she pays for a haircut? She is the Third Way CORPORATIST candidate of Wall Street and... of course The Oligarchy so one would expect that she would have a tendency towards quality hair cuts...
frylock
(34,825 posts)abakan
(1,819 posts)We will see who is strong and who is not on Monday.
question everything
(47,535 posts)It was interesting, though. NYT broke the whole email story and has been critical of her so I was wondering. Even if they "held their nose" she is the most qualified.
When are the New York primaries, by the way?
George II
(67,782 posts)There hasn't been a poll released since June, but at that time Clinton was ahead by 55-15, with Biden at 9. As we've seen just about all of Biden's support wound up going to Clinton.
New York is a shoo-in, probably by at least 15%.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)ElliotCarver
(74 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Believe it or not (and in spite of their editorial board's recent editorial opinion), the Washington Post has had much better coverage. At least they haven't been outright lying about the campaign.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)CAPS LOCK key is stuck
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)NYT Editorial Primary Choices: Hillary Clinton
JAN. 25, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/opinion/25fri1.html?_r=0
riversedge
(70,302 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....of that editorial.
There will inevitably be naysayers, of course, but the sheer weight of an endorsement by the New York Times is huge.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention DSB!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)"In a recent endorsement, the New York Times says 'he has brought income inequality and the lingering pain of the middle class to center stage'."
George II
(67,782 posts)....De Moines Register, implying that the De Moines Register endorsed Sanders?
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/bernie-sanders-tv-ad-claims-des-moines-register-endorsed-him-it-actually-endorsed-hillary-clinton/23701/
This article points out the uptick in recent devious actions by the Sanders campaign:
"Just one day after a pair of major advocacy groups both accused Bernie Sanders of using print advertising to falsely claiming that they had endorsed him, his campaign is now running television ads which misrepresent the position of an influential Iowa newspaper. The new Sanders ads claim that the Des Moines Register has endorsed him. Thats a problem, because the newspaper has actually endorsed his democratic party rival Hillary Clinton instead."
"Over the past two days the AARP and the League of Conservation Voters have both accused Bernie Sanders of falsely claiming that he had their endorsements, when the AARP hasnt endorsed anyone and the LCV has actually endorsed Clinton. The Nevada Culinary Union has accused Sanders staffers of impersonating union members in order to gain improper access to other members. But the fake Des Moines Register endorsement, which has been documented by the New York Times, may be the most controversial yet."
As they say, desperate times call for desperate measures.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Just give a partial quote, out of context, and sandwich it between other actual endorsements, and it too can be easily mistaken as being an actual endorsement from the cited source.
Sometimes I wonder if these ad-writers just throw up their hands in frustration and exclaim "Fuck it! What have we got to lose!?"
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)riversedge
(70,302 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)MineralMan
(146,331 posts)One I agree with, too.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Agree with DemocratSinceBirth's excellent post also. Me too.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)-Gregorian
I wouldn't be presumptuous enough to speak him but you can, I guess
That is an interesting photo...Bill is looking at him like a friend...Hillary is looking at him reverentially, like she is in the presence of a deity.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)It took some persuading, but he is firmly in Bernie's camp. That's my understanding.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)If you believe you can speak for Muhammad Ali there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. I will say I am beyond flabbergasted at the feeling of entitlement that allows you to believe you do.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Wow. I had not heard that. Do you have a link? I would be very interested to learn more
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I blame it on the Bern.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Have a terrific weekend.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)too, to a large extent, has now been bought over by Republicans. The degeneration of this
once-great paper is plain for everyone to see.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)that is qualified to be president IMO
WTG NYT!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)She is the only one who meets the qualifications? I don't think so. I believe that ALL THREE candidates are qualified to be president. The matter is preference.
Just in case you forgot, here they are:
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 - ratified February 27, 1951
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
I got that from the US Constitution. You can look it up yourself if you wish.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)True, that's what I meant, sorry.
Cruz now, he really isn't qualified is he? Wasn't he born in Canada?
Of course he was that white skin goin for him
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I wanna see ALL the RepubliCONs' birth certificates. I think a couple were not born, but hatched, and a couple are aliens from another planet.
Then there are Cruz and Rubio. I don't think either one qualifies.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That would explain a lot I guess.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I am encouraged that she will be one of the most effective Presidents ever given her extensive background and experience and "get it done" "no non-sense" attitude. Looking forward to a great 8 years with Hillary at the helm!
Response to DCBob (Reply #19)
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marble falls
(57,208 posts)she gets the nomination) but the one thing she was good at was State Department. Other than the poor decision she made regarding e-mail service even if it was legal, she did good work even on issues I disagree with: Keystone, TPP being two.
I think she'd be a great Secty of State for President Sanders if John Kerry has had enough.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)being pushed more to the left than she would otherwise be is concerning. Does this imply that the prose in which she would govern would backtrack on these issues? It seems to reaffirm many people's belief that she may not practice what she preaches. But as a New Yorker myself, she would have to be an unmitigated disaster for the Times not to endorse her. I guess that should count for something.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Let the games begin!
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)Thank you.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Standing for HRC is standing tall for Wall Street and crony capitalism as well.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)The Wall Street Journal is the voice of Wall Street and The Gray Lady is the voice of informed and responsible liberalism.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)it seems to me that the standard for "informed and responsible liberalism" is wholly reliant on whether or not Clinton is being praised by the source.
At which point did Hillary Clinton become the absolute definition of liberalism?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)was shilling for the Iraq War.
Or maybe when Maureen Dowd was shilling for George Bush versus Al Gore.
ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)and the impeachment and all....they couldn't talk of anything else!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)The blue dress was an odd keepsake, would you agree?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)No more Clintons.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)except her own personal ambition.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)As a plebeian I have to go to the laundry room of my humble apartment complex to get my clothes out of the dryer.
I am confident you will have a witty riposte and I look forward to reading it when I get back.
With love,
DemocratSinceBirth
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I do not mind kicking as most agree with me.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Thank you in advance.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Yes you can!
Thread needs a soundtrack. Your welcome
comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)they are still the most highly regarded newspaper in the US and I applaud their endorsement of Hillary.
Nanjeanne
(4,976 posts)Hopefully it will have as much impact on the primaries outcome as it did in 2008.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I vote based on issues, ethics, and integrity. Sorry the Times doesn't value those qualities in a candidate.
Go Bernie!!!
Robbins
(5,066 posts)they are both liars so they deserve each other
vkkv
(3,384 posts)"" You have been BLOCKED from participating in the HILLARY CLINTON GROUP by one of its HOSTS""
jalan48
(13,883 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I proudly stand with the New York Times in their endorsement of Hillary Clinton.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)I admire Bernie's vision and ability to fire people up around a common cause, but believe Hillary has the ability, grit and drive to actually get things done.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)is still an empty bucket.
Bernie's 'belief' in not voting for the War On Iraq could have saved the U.S. three trillion dollars and thousands of lives.. you can't even FIT that into a bucket.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)My beliefs are mine. I get that you support Sanders. That's great.
If he should win the nom, will you continue hurling rude comments at strangers?
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)Cheers!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I understand. You care more about the corporations than WE THE PEOPLE.
Good luck with your choice.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)It will require some thought among many, but there's no denying the fact.
Deserves a rec on its own.
saynotoplutocrats
(40 posts)randr
(12,414 posts)but proud of the NYT? The paper of record for all CIA mis-information during the Viet Nam era?
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)now stand there with pie on your face. how good you look!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)now stand there with pie on your face. how good you look!
-Hiraeth
Dear Sir or Madame:
I don't even know how to respond to your puerile insult though I will give it the proverbial "college try". I will take the high road, be the bigger person, and not respond to your puerile insult in kind.
With warmest regards,
DemocratSinceBirth
P.S. I will dispense with the highfalutin language. I don't get off how people think "Gee, I am going to diss DemocratSinceBirth and he is going to cower and not respond." That's not how I roll.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)you crack me up even more.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)you crack me up even more.
"Don't hate the playa, hate the game."
I play by the rules of this board.
But I do feel it is odd you need to disrespect strangers, without cause.
Do you disrespect folks in real life?
How does it work out for you?
Thank you in advance.
Respectfully,
DemocratSinceBirth
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I follow the beat of my own drummer.
And the 49 people who recommended it appear to like my drummer too:
Oh, these threads are ersatz Venus Fly Traps for my friends and frenemies.
#lol@me
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)#lol@metoo
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I enjoy the back and forth, the ripostes, and the clever repartee.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I will tell you a "funny", true, "pie in the face" story.
When I was a young man in the 1980s I had a friend named Mark. He was about eight years years older than me and crazy. There was a Penthouse Pet signing autographs at the Volusia Mall in Daytona Beach, Florida. He felt or ostensibly felt what Penthouse Pets do is immoral so he brought a pie with him and when it came time to getting her autograph he smashed her in the face with it and ran away. Daytona Beach was/is kind of a small town so she found out who he was. She sent him an autographed magazine and in the centerfold of her was the greeting "To Mark, F--- You" .
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)are relative, as you well know.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)-bvf
Sir or madame, I don't know. Would you please elaborate.
Thank you in advance.
Respectfully,
DemocratSinceBirth
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I have been posting here since 2003. Prior to this primary season I never had an alert and never had a hide. After accumulating three hides in a matter of weeks I did what any prudent person would do and dramatically altered my posting style.
In the immortal words of David Mamet's Elliot Ness in the Untouchables , " I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right! "
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Thank you in advance.
Respectfully,
DemocratSinceBirth
bvf
(6,604 posts)Can I credit you?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)/TTAR
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Good or bad, I have to get your take on it along with a great music video of course.
bvf
(6,604 posts)yep
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)Sit yourself down and enjoy the caucus.
Bern on!
Lage Nom Ai
(74 posts)With the Millionaire class
http://www.alternet.org/media/media-millionaires-journalism-and-001-percent
840high
(17,196 posts)Gothmog
(145,558 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)mcar
(42,373 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Go team Hillary!!!
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Which brings us to their actual choice: John Kasich.
Thats right, The New York Times is throwing its support (with the standard caveats) to Kasich. Heres why:
Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, though a distinct underdog, is the only plausible choice for Republicans tired of the extremism and inexperience on display in this race
As a veteran of partisan fights and bipartisan deals during nearly two decades in the House, he has been capable of compromise and believes in the ability of government to improve lives. He favors a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and he speaks of governments duty to protect the poor, the mentally ill and others in the shadows. While Republicans in Congress tried more than 60 times to kill Obamacare, Mr. Kasich did an end-run around Ohios Republican Legislature to secure a $13 billion Medicaid expansion to cover more people in his state.
Their endorsement of Kasich is tempered with the understanding that he is pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and has gone after public-sector unions. Still, they credit him for attempting to run a more civil campaign than his Republican opponents.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/nyt-editorial-board-endorses-hillary-and-the-only-plausible-choice-for-the-gop/
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That she voted for.
No Thanks.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)The better idea will never, ever come to pass.