2016 Postmortem

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts) Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:23 PM Jan 2016

MSNBC - Will Hillary supporters support MOM just enough to give him 15%

in Iowa caucus to keep the MOM supporters from Sanders

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MSNBC - Will Hillary supporters support MOM just enough to give him 15% (Original Post) SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 OP

So much for democracy! This berns my butt. jillan Jan 2016 #1

+100000 moondust Jan 2016 #20

Let's just hope it backfires! jillan Jan 2016 #22

Caucuses are NOT democratic. Agschmid Jan 2016 #23

Candidates have done this for years... brooklynite Feb 2016 #31

That's great info. Thank you! n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #33

I don't see how they can give away votes. Punkingal Jan 2016 #2

that is what I hope - but... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #4

LOL Correct - WIll they Triangulate? Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #5

Because of rounding. Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #9

If they don't reach 15% they can go home or switch to SBS or HRC. JudyM Jan 2016 #10

In some caucus locations, apparently that's the plan. TDale313 Jan 2016 #3

Well if they do I hope it backfires on her sorry butt. Punkingal Jan 2016 #7

"if it dosen't hurt her" Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #8

The way it works is all so weird... TDale313 Jan 2016 #17

yes, some weird shit. Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #19

Any MoM supporter who witnessed this and had a shred of self respect would KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #30

Silly alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #6

??? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #12

Hillary does not think so - just talked to RM about it SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #16

Since he appears to be down below 5% it would make a significant dent in her support. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2016 #11

Defiant Martin O'Malley insists he won't play Iowa kingmaker. elleng Jan 2016 #13

He doesn't really have a choice in the matter. Agschmid Jan 2016 #24

Clinton won't even clear the 15% threshold in SOME caucuses.. Flying Phoenix Jan 2016 #14

I'm not sure Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #15

this went on, without 'apps' 30+ years ago mattvermont Jan 2016 #18

I did not realize that... Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #28

only if they can win without the votes they give M'OM. Otherwise, they may throw ALL of their votes Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #21

As if she'll have supporters to spare - lol! Attorney in Texas Jan 2016 #25

sounds like a way to discount an O'Malley surge bigtree Jan 2016 #26

And that too. It stinks. jillan Jan 2016 #29

Obama championed this in 2008. BigGLiberal Jan 2016 #27

Perhaps you want to talk to Sanders' Iowa Director who advocated this strategy in 2008... brooklynite Feb 2016 #32

jillan

(39,451 posts)

1. So much for democracy! This berns my butt.

Reply to SoLeftIAmRight (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:26 PM

Jan 2016

moondust

(19,993 posts)

20. +100000

Reply to jillan (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:41 PM

Jan 2016

Stop the dishonest gaming the system! That also goes for the dirty McCaskill ad strategy that Republicans may now be using; it's not clever, it's crooked.

jillan

(39,451 posts)

22. Let's just hope it backfires!

Reply to moondust (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:46 PM

Jan 2016

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)

23. Caucuses are NOT democratic.

Reply to jillan (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:51 PM

Jan 2016

They often disenfranchise many voters.

The entire process is flawed.

brooklynite

(94,594 posts)

31. Candidates have done this for years...

Reply to jillan (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:37 AM

Feb 2016

This kind of tactical maneuvering is an old Iowa pattern, part of what a former Iowa aide to John Kerry in 2004, Addisu Demissie, described as being part of the state’s “brilliantly, gloriously, esoterically small-d democratic” tradition. (Demissie describes the caucus math in excruciating detail in his piece.) The Clinton and Obama campaigns played similar tactical games in 2008, and a deal between Obama’s and Bill Richardson’s campaigns was controversial enough to be kept top secret at the time. At the time, outraged Clinton aides called reporters to denounce the deal.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/hillary-bernie-math#.hu8zErb9N7

Bill Richardson's Iowa Campaign Director was....Robert Becker, who is....Bernie Sanders' Iowa Campaign Director.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)

33. That's great info. Thank you! n/t

Reply to brooklynite (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:48 AM

Feb 2016

(7,820 posts)

3. In some caucus locations, apparently that's the plan.

Reply to SoLeftIAmRight (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:27 PM

Jan 2016

If he's close in a location and it doesn't hurt her but might keep Sanders from picking up an extra delegate.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)

7. Well if they do I hope it backfires on her sorry butt.

Reply to TDale313 (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:30 PM

Jan 2016

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)

8. "if it dosen't hurt her"

Reply to TDale313 (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:30 PM

Jan 2016

If it's as close as some predict they cant afford to triangulate that much

TDale313

(7,820 posts)

17. The way it works is all so weird...

Reply to Ferd Berfel (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:37 PM

Jan 2016

But reports were saying this was a tactical move the Obama campaign used in 08.

The theory seems to be keep O'Malley viable in some venues where he's on the bubble because those supporters would prob go to Sanders if he wasn't. If sending a few supporters to O'Malley's corner keeps Sanders from gaining an extra delegate they might think it worth it.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)

19. yes, some weird shit.

Reply to TDale313 (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:39 PM

Jan 2016

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)

30. Any MoM supporter who witnessed this and had a shred of self respect would

Reply to TDale313 (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:39 PM

Jan 2016

immediately abandon ship to join Bernie.

I hope O'Malley himself denounces the tactic.

(26,366 posts)

11. Since he appears to be down below 5% it would make a significant dent in her support. n/t

Reply to SoLeftIAmRight (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:32 PM

Jan 2016

elleng

(130,970 posts)

13. Defiant Martin O'Malley insists he won't play Iowa kingmaker.

Reply to SoLeftIAmRight (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:33 PM

Jan 2016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12815395

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)

24. He doesn't really have a choice in the matter.

Reply to elleng (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:55 PM

Jan 2016

Flying Phoenix

(114 posts)

14. Clinton won't even clear the 15% threshold in SOME caucuses..

Reply to SoLeftIAmRight (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:33 PM

Jan 2016

Let's see: 1,300:450 as an sample size from Dubuque http://time.com/4201067/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-iowa-rallies/

74% Bernie, 26% Clinton...and didn't include that was just those that was turned away (500 were)... so let's look again - that number jumps to 90% Bernie, 10% Clinton.

Get it?

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)

15. I'm not sure

Reply to SoLeftIAmRight (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:34 PM

Jan 2016

...if it would let her win the battle but make her lose the war. I know the Obama campaign started it and I found it distasteful then and I suspect it may influence some voters who are on the fence in other states.

mattvermont

(646 posts)

18. this went on, without 'apps' 30+ years ago

Reply to SoLeftIAmRight (Original post)

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:38 PM

Jan 2016

I attended many caucus in Iowa. This was standard fare. I do not like it, and I think it looks bad, but 'all is fair' in the the mean political streets.