Too many people mumble as far as I am concerned.

I like it.

That's her theme today.

I saw her tonight literally yelling "Stick with me! Stick with me!" while point her finger at the crowd. I admit bias, so maybe it's effective to her supporters.

both seem to have an edge to them, which is obviously understandable. This is a very big day coming up that has been anticipated for months or even years if you're Hillary. Anyone would come off as a bit louder/more urgent in this situation.

It's a forced sound with a harsh edge to it. Not easy on the ear.

Including in the last debate

2 years when I was in my 20's back in 1969 & 70. I made the assumption (right or wrong) that all New Yorkers are loud and are always in a hurry, but when they got there they were not going to do anything.

But I still love NYC and wished I lived there now.

Wall Street, cause they gotta talk loud there on the floor, but not in the boardroom .

...she did a lot of community outreach. Sorry if that doesn't fit your stereotypes.

I did live in Manhattan for a few years and it didn't make me shout. I also had plenty to do when I got to where I was going, whether it was home, work or somewhere else.

She's trying to prove she is passionate, and get more enthusiasm from her little gatherings. Whenever she raises her voice and starts finger-jabbing, they all applaud mindlessly.

In addition to voice and finger jabbing she does a bit of bobble-head when she's lecturing.

It's all a bit unfortunate, but I don't think she can control it.

We have a young weatherman on Milw tv with very similar mannerisms.

What next, do you need some sandwiches and a beer while she's up?

You're seeing why the campaign had to apologize for his supporters. Ugh.

you just aren't listening.

Saying those are the same is anything but precise.

Yep.

Neither of the terms used by the OP are negative, you've made the logical leap to call it shrill. You're gender baiting.

"The person I agree with"

AP - Seeking victory in Iowa, Hillary Clinton has begun channeling the economic indignation of her rival, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, whose unapologetically liberal campaign has tightened the race ahead of Monday's caucuses and given him a lead in the New Hampshire contest that follows.

Making her closing argument to Iowa caucus-goers, Clinton now cloaks her detailed policy plans in Sanders' outraged rhetoric. Pharmaceutical pricing "burns" her up. Companies that take advantage of the tax loopholes get her "pretty riled up." And she promises to "rail away" at any industry that flouts the law.

"I'm going after all of them" she declared in Davenport, her tone escalating to a shout. "When I talk about going after those companies, those businesses, those special interests, I have a much broader target list than my opponents."

The former secretary of state's fiery new tone underscores a strategic decision to co-opt some of the political style from the insurgent candidate who has galvanized the Democratic party and put her long-held lead in jeopardy. It comes as a new poll released Saturday night by the Des Moines Register and Bloomberg News showed the two candidates locked in a neck-and-neck race.

Pharmaceutical pricing "burns" her up ...
"I'm going after all of them" she declared in Davenport, her tone escalating to a shout. "When I talk about going after those companies, those businesses, those special interests, I have a much broader target list than my opponents."

and you could tell he was pooped. He didn't have his usual spring in his step.

Hillary does talk loud when she is addressing a crowd. People say the same about Bernie.

You were "on" last night, merrily!

Now "pantsuit" is sexist. Give it a rest.

Oh, wait, I guess a jury already took care of that.

Nevermind.

leave a little bit to be desired.

And it has nothing to do with Gender- it's just not her strong suit.

Doesn't mean she wouldn't be a good POTUS, of course- I think Al Gore would have made an excellent President and he's tended to be weak in those areas too.

and that seems to be her problem. She yells that way because she doesn't know any other way to get up the volume.

that's not natural for her voice. It requires more effort to speak and sounds forced and harsh. Her normal conversational voice doesn't have this problem.

But I'm not sure who was louder. Is there a loudometer somewhere ?

The sound is one thing, but the visual experience is unforgettable.

Never ever.

She sounds so condescending.

Crap like this is why I don't identify as a Bernie supporter in public.

they tend to criticize everything about them. If you love someone, their voice is like music. If you can't stand them, it's like a buzz saw.

Feelings affect assessments.

But I really care how it turns out. Feels like much is at stake this time.

unelectable. Congress will look the same under either Sanders or Clinton.

Who is another supremely smart, capable individual. But his presentation has tended to be wooden and sometimes would come across as forced. He actually got better, after he was no longer under the pressure of political life. He loosened up quite a bit.

That observation has nothing to do with Gender.

is the kind of stuff that makes the Spidey sense tingle.

I don't think her railing angrily against single payer health care is particularly helpful to her or us, though.

Good times.

It's as if they talk louder, the non-English speaker will magically understand what they're saying.

Bernie does the same. They are both getting excited.

Bingo!

There is so much evidence out there that women are heard differently than men. There is even research that shows that people judge women as talking a lot more than they actually do - e.g. people watching videos of kids talking would often say that the girls talked more than the boys, but when an actual word tally is done, it is shown that the boys out-talked the girls - an indication that underlying cultural biases about women needing to be silent and letting men do the public talking, are still very much alive. A corollary of this is the meme that women's voices are shrill or that women are loud.

Stuff like this is one of the reasons why I cannot "feel the Bern." While he has the support of many good progressives, including many of my friends, it is also clear that quite a bit of his support comes from people who have deep-seated sexist attitudes, often without them even realizing it.

Ugh.

Do men not get loud and yell?

I've heard that Sanders yells and is loud (to put it nicely) since he began. What's the difference?

I don't see any purpose in repeating my explanation.

Yelling. Getting louder. That's all the OP asked about. So anything else you've added really doesn't apply as an explanation when it doesn't exist.

I don't want to be rude, but you are repeating the same question over and over, and I already provided warrants for my assertion in my original response. But for the sake of getting through to you, here it is again: to determine whether something is sexist, context matters. My post clearly said that women are often accused of speaking too much, too shrilly, or too loudly. The patriarchal expectation behind that is that women should shut up. Therefore when I see repeated "discussions" of Hillary being too shrill or too loud, it is clear to me that this is a sexist meme. Yes, men can get loud too - indeed, all too often. But men are traditionally expected to be the ones who do the talking, so they don't get as much flak for it. Especially not white men.

That poster is always defending sexist shit.

Not.

Especially after your disgusting attacks on me in the past.

In a multitude of threads regarding "sexist shit", you are there denying the sexism. I don't have to dig up your old posts because you are right here doing it again. Denying the sexism.

It's obvious you have no idea what sexism is. Because it doesn't appear that you can ever recognize it.

I have never even posted to you except AFTER you've posted garbage like the above, so cry to someone who doesn't know better.

No, I've never defended sexism, but I've definitely dealt with it as well as helped many people who've nearly died because of it. You might want to look it up though.

"I've never defended 'sexist shit' in my life..."

I imagine you want a particular demographic to believe this particular allegation...?

were the terms louder and yelling?

You're adding things that were never stated here. We all know sexism ....... on this thread, it's just not here.

I think I will just go throw away all the books I've ever read, ignore all the research on this topic, and surrender my Ph.D. while I'm at it. Because according to a random unknown person on the internet, clear sexism is not sexism.

I guess the revolution is not so revolutionary after all. Just the same tired old patriarchal BS.

Goodbye.

'Yelling' and 'getting louder' is not 'sexist'. I guess I know why some try to make things inflammatory even when they're not here but real sexism has affected many/probably most of us. This just makes a bit of a joke of it.

Jay-zus. What a mess.

Why bring that in here?

Just to invent sexist accusations against Sanders supporters, obviously.

Failed again!

I hope every man who doesn't support Hillary isn't a Sexist, Racist, Homophobic .

But, sadly, not surprising.

Good God.

Is that the eventual retort to every criticism?

In the last week especially it has been noticeable that her delivery has taken on a shouting quality.

She got like that eight years ago, too, when the pressure was on.

I don't think it works very well for her.

I criticize Bernie, too ... he certainly doesn't smile as much as he should.
That observation isn't automatically anti-Jewish.

loud.

what she isn't saying .

“I like your candidate, I do not like your candidate's supporters. Your candidate's supporters are so unlike your candidate.”
Mahatma Gandhi

"...or is it me being Sound Sensitive?
Probably you being sound sensitive. Well, rather more likely just simple and biased, though your veneer of sincerity is cute.

darting her eyes back and forth; did anyone else notice that? the Iowa
outcome seemed destabilizing for her campaign in more ways than one.
She seemed barely able to hold it together to finish the speech.

Petulant, even, like she's impatiently explaining to a mentally challenged audience that "it's HER turn, dammit!"