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question everything

(47,487 posts)
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:29 PM Jan 2016

The Big Short - the movie

We watched it earlier today, cringing most of the time, shaking our heads.

I my mind eye I can see viewers, leaving the theater, heading straight to vote for Sanders.

And yet, at the end, as the Steve Carell lamented that the banks were saved by the taxpayers, I was thinking that, had we not, we would have sunk into a real Depression.

Even the Brad Pitt character admonishes his followers: you are betting against the American economy, perhaps the whole world so there is nothing to celebrate.

The bottom line: All told, the program poured $426.4 billion into banks and automakers — and got back $441.7 billion.

Yes, we need to change the way investment bankers operate, to assure that something like that does not happen again, but we cannot, literally, toss the baby with the bath water.

We take care of drug addicts who "brought that on themselves." We take care of slackers who cannot hold a job. We take care of poor, uneducated women who continue to get pregnant by different men. We don't let fellow human beings drop by the sideways and die. We don't expect them to pull themselves by the boot straps or else.

And we had to stabilize Wall Street in 2008.



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The Big Short - the movie (Original Post) question everything Jan 2016 OP
Watched the movie tonight with my wife TeddyR Jan 2016 #1
"Break them up" or something Recursion Jan 2016 #4
Right. You leave the movie feeling that the "system" is rigged (or was) question everything Jan 2016 #5
Here... Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #6
long standing facts do not matter to some SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #13
And we have to make sure that it doesn't happen again.... daleanime Jan 2016 #2
What does TeddyR Feb 2016 #8
So it's fine if the failure of a couple of banks.... daleanime Feb 2016 #10
feels like we are talking past each other TeddyR Feb 2016 #11
The point of breaking them up... ljm2002 Feb 2016 #17
And as you point out the government made about $15 Billion doing so Recursion Jan 2016 #3
The entire bailout cost us little people trillions. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #14
Maybe I will go tomorrow - take my mind off of Iowa for a couple hours. jillan Feb 2016 #7
It is well worth seeing. And also very entertaining. The film makers employed some very clever Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #15
It's a must see, imo bigwillq Feb 2016 #20
Don't Lie about the amount of the bailout. Skwmom Feb 2016 #9
The Big Short TeddyR Feb 2016 #12
It didn't. It showed they were conned by banksters with a plan. The Carell guy is my guy. ancianita Feb 2016 #16
Ok TeddyR Feb 2016 #22
I don't think it would be hard for Sander's or anyone with that agenda to work on breaking up banks stevebreeze Feb 2016 #18
Also see nationalize the fed Feb 2016 #19
Sanders voted for the CFMA, that took the cops off the beat of CDS and CDOs so even on that uponit7771 Feb 2016 #21
 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
1. Watched the movie tonight with my wife
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jan 2016

And didn't leave thinking everyone is going to vote for Sanders. What exactly is he going to do if president with respect to the banks?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. "Break them up" or something
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jan 2016

It's never clear which banks those are, or what "breaking them up" actually means, but it lets people who are angry and feel like they've lost control of their lives feel like they're taking charge of things again.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
5. Right. You leave the movie feeling that the "system" is rigged (or was)
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:49 PM
Jan 2016

That we "regular folks" the tax payers, have no control over the events and Sanders channels this feel of impotency and rage.

One of the review that I read had this sentence: If you don’t clearly remember that Armageddon, take a minute to look at your retirement plan. I will wait until you stop crying.

Many wish that we let the financial institutes fail, but for many of us these are our savings, our retirement funds, our jobs. Our lives.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. And we have to make sure that it doesn't happen again....
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jan 2016

which means Glass-Steagall and breaking up the too big to fail banks.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
8. What does
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

"breaking up" mean? Legitimate question. If people don't like the "big banks," how does making a bunch of smaller ones matter? Hundreds (perhaps thousands?) of small banks and credit unions collapsed during the mortgage crisis.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
10. So it's fine if the failure of a couple of banks....
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:15 AM
Feb 2016

can collapse the worlds economy? Legitimate question.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
11. feels like we are talking past each other
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:35 AM
Feb 2016

Bear Sterns and Lehman Brothers went under, and a lot of other investment banks suffered significant losses. WaMu and Countrywide also collapsed. Many small banks and credit unions collapsed. Those are facts. I'm just wondering what "breaking up the big banks" means and what it accomplishes.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
17. The point of breaking them up...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:00 AM
Feb 2016

...is so that if one institution fails it cannot bring down the whole economy.

This is not unprecedented. Many, many large companies and/or monopolies have been broken up in this country's history. Teddy Roosevelt, you may recall, was knows as a trust-buster.

It has nothing to do with "liking the big banks" or not. It has to do with governance, i.e. using the power of the government to ensure the orderly functioning of our economy and our society.

Yes, the government really does have the right to exert such power. It's just that, since Reagan took office, the ideas that he and his cronies put forward have taken hold to such an extent that people think government is always the problem and that so-called private enterprise is always right -- even when it becomes gargantuan and serves only to funnel money up from the bottom rungs to the super wealthy.

We really can do better. The bankers, trust me, will be just fine.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. And as you point out the government made about $15 Billion doing so
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jan 2016

TARP was one of the best government interventions in recent memory.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
15. It is well worth seeing. And also very entertaining. The film makers employed some very clever
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:51 AM
Feb 2016

and visually pleasing devices to break it all down. Highly recommended.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
9. Don't Lie about the amount of the bailout.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016


http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#3064ca013723

And the Big Short did NOT portray the borrowers fairly. But what the heck, the disgusting crooks have to have someone to blame.

The Special Inspector General for TARP summary of the bailout says that the total commitment of government is $16.8 trillion dollars with the $4.6 trillion already paid out. Yes, it was trillions not billions and the banks are now larger and still too big to fail. But it isn’t just the government bailout money that tells the story of the bailout. This is a story about lies, cheating, and a multi-faceted corruption which was often criminal.
 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
12. The Big Short
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

Is a movie and is certainly isn't completely accurate, but how did it misrepresent the borrowers?

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
22. Ok
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:20 PM
Feb 2016

I think I misunderstood. Not sure that many borrowers were conned though. I took a home loan on 2006 (terrible timing) and made sure to read the paperwork and NOT take an ARM loan. The terms of every loan are in the paperwork.

stevebreeze

(1,877 posts)
18. I don't think it would be hard for Sander's or anyone with that agenda to work on breaking up banks
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:04 AM
Feb 2016

We still have on the books anti trust laws that are more then suited to break up ginormous banks. It is in the power of the executive to start anti trust suits against the big wall street banks like Goldman Saks.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
19. Also see
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:13 AM
Feb 2016

(if you haven't) Academy Award winner Inside Job
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(2010_film)



A more detailed, in depth look. Excellent- winner of Best Documentary, directors guild of America

Related: Iceland (Where Inside Job begins) jails corrupt bankers and forgives mortgage debt- but you won't hear about it in the US media

Iceland Jailed Bankers and Rejected Austerity—and It’s Been a Success

Instead of imposing devastating austerity measures and bailing out its banks, Iceland let its banks go bust and focused on social welfare policies. It has now repaid 85 percent of U.K. claims, and the Icelandic finance minister announced recently that all will be settled by the end of the year. http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/06/12/iceland-jailed-bankers-and-rejected-austerity-and-its-been-success

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
21. Sanders voted for the CFMA, that took the cops off the beat of CDS and CDOs so even on that
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:45 AM
Feb 2016

... Sanders has his own bag of bad... its just different form of bad...

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