They would have been fools to inform her.

Appreciation is worth a lot.

Hillary has shown time and again that we shouldn't elect her as president. Her refusal to take any kind of responsibility is disturbing.

I'm shocked, shocked! to discover there's gambling going on in here!

And the question is, what resources does the app use, and in the development of this version, was Microsoft involved. This question gains greater validity since Microsoft is running the official tabulation. Such activity would constitute a conflict of interest and possibly an illegal campaign contribution if it accesses the data-set created by the Microsoft tabulation system being use for the first time in 2016.

A person counts the number of people in the room and inputs it to find out the margins for each candidate/delegates.

Bernie has an app as well. Both campaigns would have built the app in house, not using Microsoft. Microsoft built the app that each precinct captain uses.

precludes this from being simply a calculator. The success of this app would require live feeds of all the caucus locations in real time.

I would like to know whether the Clinton campaign will be generating this data on there own, or are they accessing the Microsoft cloud service data-set.

Her refusal to admit the very existence of the app, which is common knowledge to those following the process, has only 2 explanations. She either thinks it is less distasteful to use this tactic than to lie about it, or there is something else involved that she finds it necessary to create some distance in case it blows up in her face.

To calculate the number of delegates based off the number of voters. Then it reports back to campaign headquarters. Both Sanders and Clinton have such apps.

Microsoft made the app that precinct captains will use to report the totals to the state political office. Only precinct captains will be able to input the totals.

With each campaign having their own apps they're both effectively backup counters to the Microsoft app. It helps preclude any mishaps like the 2012 Iowa caucus where Romney was declared the winner and two weeks later it was announced Santorum won. Iowa was only using telephone touchpads to send the results in.

I don't find it out of the realm of possibility that neither Sanders nor Clinton know about the app.

This caucus thing has always been a mystery to me.

Like the end result will be sent back. But the delegates are determined at a precinct level. So for instance based off the number of people that show up, some Hillary supporters could go to MOM and give him a delegate number boost (+1 additional) without sacrificing any of her delegates.

It pulls data from other caucuses. Not just the room. They discussed it on MSNBC this afternoon and commented on the fact that wifi was needed and could be problematic in rural areas since signal strength wasn't a guarantee.

If she wins by some underhanded crap, I will be furious.

Does the Sanders team have good tactics in place for the caucuses?

Probably best if I go to sleep now and stop stressing.

Way past my bedtime.

Good luck Iowa-keep up the good fight!

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Are we denying the existence of scientific calculators now? I don't even think republicans could do that with a straight face.

lots of technology that younger people take for granted.

She's saying that she's not aware of it. That seems perfectly plausible to me.

And that people are making a mountain out of a molehill, because the technology makes no difference. Horse trading with caucus votes and delegates is part of the standard process. That's part of why caucuses STINK -- including my own state's -- and should all be replaced with primaries.

There is no such thing as one-person-one-vote with caucuses.

Sometimes, she's a geek carrying around multiple devices. She claimed to always travel with an iPhone, and iPad and a Kindle.

Other times, she's a luddite. "Like with a cloth?".

It depends on which personality best serves her at that particular moment.

a tiny fraction of the features.

this app too, I would be shocked. And it does nothing new. Whut?

anymore than Hillary.

And you're right, it does nothing new.

FIFY

your reply is so funny I had to actually type it out


On one hand Hillary is so fucking dreamy and intelligent and wise and on and on and on...

But then every once in a while...

Oh, she can't know or keep track of everything! She doesn't know servers, they are hard! Multiple email accounts, even more hard! Apps are so so so more hard

one of the workers who will be on the ground in the caucuses and might use one.

All they do is provide a convenient way of keeping track of an activity they routinely do anyway.

Big deal.

blaming it on dirty tricks.

How like the Bernie campaign. Everything is a conspiracy.

seems legit.

How like the Weathervane camp. Whichever way the wind blows, she goes.

No problem...If there is something going on, it will come out.

I think you are getting dizzy already.

"she"

I think she, Hillary, is getting dizzy.

There you go. Bye now to the Weathervane camp

Al Gore didn't just pull that out of his ass. He had a good coach.

just so new-fangled! My oh my, but I just wouldn't know where to begin with such things."

Explain how they were instructed how to teach others to use it? Seems like they got their orders from somebody above.

Let's just say it was campaign staff and not Hillary.... That sounds a lot like Nevada Union, LCV, and AARP that was such a big deal.

Go figure! People use apps to count. Shoot us all.

….win by any means necessary.

other voters to change their votes. If you can't get there at that time and stay for hours, tough luck -- no absentee ballots.

This is part of why I've been saying all along that caucuses SUCK (including my own state's caucuses) and should all be replaced by one-person-one-vote primaries.

That the first time she'd even heard about her campaign strategy was when asked about it the night before the caucus on MSNBC? That's a little tough to believe. Sorry. Some might call foul on the whole thing, but I would say all's fair within the rules. But why not just say that instead of immediately lying trying to deflect the question?

the OP is about. She's not going to be on the ground in the caucuses, trying to keep track of the votes.

The strategy itself is routinely used in the Iowa caucuses, and Hillary acknowledged this: "while describing the general tactic the app exploits as 'a tradition'."

Of course the Bernie campaign will use the same strategy and the same app.

Jeff Weaver is just trying to throw a cloud of suspicion over Hillary's campaign, and obviously has succeeded with some gullible people who don't know how caucuses are run.

They asked her about her campaign using the strategy. But for the sake of argument, they have developed this cutting edge technology for the campaign, worked with Microsoft and all that and she knew NOTHING about it? Come on. No. Her first reaction to something remotely negative was to lie. Is it the end of the world? No. But "I have no idea what my campaign is doing!" That dog won't hunt.

Maddow didn't ask about the app specifically, she asked about the strategy and whether Secretary Clinton was "encouraging it". Go watch it.

Which is the essential piece of the whole topic.

Who cares whether they're using an app to facilitate a practice that's always used in that caucus.

And is part of why I hate caucuses in general, Iowa's and my own state's.

Her initial response was to say it was "No, that's the first I've heard of this, Rachel. I have no additional information to add". She went on to talk about the tactic and that it was used against her etc etc. You can go watch it. It's not the end of the world, just silly to think she didn't already know about it before last night.

wasn't that the mantra used against Bernie last week when his campaign was alleged to misappropriate organizational logos? I'm running with it.

It's a caucus and you use tactics such as this to win, violates no rules. Probably not real complicated technology either, so I don't think the Microsoft angle is going anywhere, you could probably figure it out in your head if you're good at division.

Whether she's being truthful about her lack of knowledge? It wouldn't surprise me either way. Could be something her people are handling. Might be something she has intimate knowledge of. 50/50.

Not a scandal.

Why was Hillary so outraged in 2008 at the idea that Obama and Richardson had a supposed agreement to do this sort of thing -- in a much less scientific way without using a programmed app?

There's no reason why anyone in Clinton's camp would feel it necessary to tell the media about the existence of such an app, as that would only hurt their efforts, not help. So now, both Hillary Clinton and Martin O'Malley supporters will already be on the defensive.

Is it possible that Bernie staff posed as Hillary volunteers to get this information? Or is it something Bernie's staff learned when they hacked Hillary's campaign data? Or, is it just made up bullshit?

And finally, regarding Clinton's denial of knowledge, if this app thing is even true, I doubt the candidates keep up with every technological aspect of their campaigns. If so, then we might need to revisit the crimes and deceptions committed by Bernie's camp.

wrong with using the app to help with the practice that is a standard part of caucus haggling. And they also know that it is likely that Hillary herself is vague on the details of the app itself.

People who don't like this should fight, like I am, to end caucuses. They're inefficient, unrepresentative, non-inclusive, archaic events that preclude many voters from participating. And they involve non-secret ballots and horse trading. If you don't like all this, you should push your state to have a primary, like most modern states.

She's not one of the people on the ground in the caucuses, haggling with the voters and the other campaigns.

Her staff -- and Bernie's and Martin's -- would be the ones to use the apps to help them with their jobs. And of course they all are.

This is so silly. It's would be like complaining that she was using a cell-phone calculator instead of a separate calculator.

But it's working because it's making gullible people think somehow Hillary is hiding something.

even though we have a primary process! The Repubs are using the primary system, but WA State Dems refused to give it up.

This is all much ado over nothing.

Strategy is now suspect in a political race.

Either she is lying, or she has no idea what is happening within her own campaign. Your choice.

It's strange, like a tornado coming out of a blue sky.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

...Another conspiracy theory propagated by people who haven't studied the issue at all, and are simply rolling with "Microsoft=Bad"

The Microsoft App (which YOU can download in the Apple App Store or Android Store for free) isn't some mysterious data crunching tool. It's sole job is to accurately report the results from each precinct. The credentialed precinct leader signs in and tells the app how delegates the precinct is entitled to and how many registered voters show up, so it can check the math when the delegate allocation is reported at the end of the meeting. Anyone with a laptop and a spreadsheet could do the same thing.

I just found it funny that when she was asked about something that might put her in a bad light her first instinct was to lie. "You know, that's the first I've heard of that, Rachel". Right. I'm sure it was.

Is that a huge deal? No. It's not.

It's not an app for the campaign; it's an app for the Iowa State Parties.

Rachel asked her about her campaign using the tactic. Go watch it. It's front and center on MSNBC videos, about half way through.

Second, the campaign actual has its own app, which was developed to work with the Microsoft "Reporter" application being used by the Iowa Caucus. Sanders has one too, by the way.

She was asked about her campaign using the tactic and whether she was "encouraging that". Of course the fact that they have an app makes her statement that its the first she's heard of it even less plausible. But, the OP has it wrong. Go watch it. Or don't. It's a pretty stupid issue.

the development and use of this app would be "encouraging" the use.

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But she wasn't specifically asked about the app in the interview. There's no possible way she doesn't know they plan to use the tactic just as there is no possible way she didn't know her campaign has an app. It was just disappointing that her first inclination was to lie.

The OP says it was about the app, which is what I've been going off of.

Thanks

I'll check it out. I don't normally watch cable news.

I'm so disappointingly disappointed.

And Weaver in the Sanders Camp looks very foolish for whining to the press today. Have a good day



Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine 16h16 hours ago

In 08 out-of-state Clinton staff were at pcts, did not caucus. But I can name ones from other campaigns who did.....
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Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine 16h16 hours ago

Placeholders for pct captains is no big deal, nor would a staffer serving as pct captain - as long as they don't caucus
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Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine 17h17 hours ago

This is a hilariously bad argument from Weaver - staff are always at pct locations. Sanders staff will be too https://www.yahoo.com/politics/sanders-campaign-cites-alarming-signs-clinton-020552922.html …

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Amy Fried ?@ASFried 17h17 hours ago

@IAStartingLine Has Weaver has ever run a campaign outside of Vermont?
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Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine 16h16 hours ago

Placeholders for pct captains is no big deal, nor would a staffer serving as pct captain - as long as they don't caucus

Was there an unannounced evolution?

they would know that this was announce in local news here weeks ago, and both parties and all candidates have this app, including Sanders. What utter claptrap.

http://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Reporting-the-Results-Caucus-Leaders-Prepare-for-Caucus-Night-365698141.html