2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumO'Malley meltdown: $169,442 cash on hand
O'Malley meltdown: $169,442 cash on hand, $535,477 in debt. Owes staffers salary & has $500K outstanding bank loan http://ow.ly/XM6FY
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)or does he stay in to fundraise his way out of debt?
Sid
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Unless he's got some wealthy benefactor out there.
I think he stays in for NH and then that's it.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)elleng
(130,967 posts)Sure IS unseemly.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)At least we assume. Martin O'Malley is now a national name, and he'll be only 57 and 61 in 2020 and 2024.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Compared to that GOP clown car, he comes off, by comparison, as a good looking Abe Lincoln!
Sometimes, they don't do anything with the 'goodwill.'
Sometimes, they're running for a cabinet post. Bill Richardson, e.g. was doing that, he wanted STATE, was ready to settle for Commerce--but he couldn't even make that work. Too much baggage.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)lackadaisical campaign. Maybe he just doesn't want it enough, or perhaps he decided God wasn't calling him to it. (It seems likely that Romney believed he was.)
Perhaps Gov. O'Malley might be doing both, running for prez and positioning for his next job? Even if he ran again for president later on, or especially, he would want to keep developing in challenging positions.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I got the sense he was testing the waters, and figured it was a good idea to get his name out there while he wasn't the Only Mormon Running....he also came off as the More Sensible Mormon, too, for whatever that was worth. People did like him, and his family, what little they saw of him.
People responded well to him--maybe he's biding his time, and will try in four to eight years--he's still got time. He's young--he's only 55. So many clowns in this GOP crop...maybe he hopes they'll eat each other alive and will be non-viable in future contests!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It seems, though, that effectively all the good Republicans are staying out of government, and have been for a while. Although, how "good" are these potential leaders if they stay home and cede the nation to people like the Kochs, W, Delays, Roves, clowns, and on and on?
I am curious to know, not if, but how many of the current GOP lineup have diagnosable personality disorders or strong traits of such things as sociopathy, cluster B traits, the dark triad, the double highs, whatever the terminology. Somewhere around 1 in every 25 to 30 people apparently a missing a conscience; they're typically very manipulative, and many of them find their way into positions of influence. Apparently they're extremely well represented among our new megamillionaires and billionaires also.
I always said that if I wasnt studying psychopaths in prison, Id do it at the stock exchange. Robert Hare, creator of the Hare Psychopathy Checklist and its variants, the most widely used diagnostic tools for psychopathic personalities.
MADem
(135,425 posts)What they lack in judgment they make up for in self-adoration and unwarranted confidence in themselves!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)He'd probably make the chef poach them until tender!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Oh,, yes. Some professionals worried about all this have put usual practice aside to just say Trump has full-blown narcissistic disorder. It is now considered a mix of cluster B traits and can include some more dangerous ones than I'd imagined.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That's been discussed for at least a couple years, for either Hillary or Bernie. Apparently he can be a pretty good attack dog.
I know nothing about the geographic factors, Maryland's not very big and would it considered south enough not to seem like yet another northeasterner? Maybe being yet another white Protestant wouldn't be such a negative for a running mate for a woman candidate for president...?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)It's going to be a lot harder to unite the party when your supporters are acting like assholes.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Just an opinion. Every asshole's got one.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)is this guy : http://www.publicintegrity.org/authors/dave-levinthal
He's the one that wrote the tweet.
MO'M just never got a hook in. When you're LUCKY to pull in five percent in some polls, and less in others, it's time to move on.
Does anyone at this point think he's viable?
I don't know anyone who thinks he has a shot.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Hillary folks are shameless and deserve no less.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think it's pretty "shameless" to accuse someone of saying something they didn't say, and further, to try to "shame" people for reporting the darn news.
This reporter has a lot to say about many politicians --why don't you look at the link instead of "blaming" a DUer for simply passing on a truth as described by a member of the 4th Estate?
That vitriolic comment of yours, though--that's a keeper!
KingCharlemagne
42. I hope MoM endorses Sanders and releases his loyal followers to Sanders. you
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Hillary folks are shameless and deserve no less.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)and tell somebody to get the fuck out. Irony can be so ironic sometimes. As for the number of people supporting you, odd that their preferred candidate would benefit from your suggested interpretation. Mere coincidence I'm sure.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Who died and made you boss?
How OLD are you???
KingCharlemagne
88. At last count, 9 people agreed with me and only you agreed with you. So GTFO - nt
Taking that user name a little TOO seriously, are you? Might makes right? More people agree me ME, so EFF YEW?
Real gracious debate, there, pal....
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)As for your last, that was very uncalled for.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,659 posts)Look how much she has acquired since May 5th.
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforhillary
Donate to O'Malley here: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforomalley
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)TSIAS
(14,689 posts)And decides to endorse Clinton, I'm sure she could help "retire" his debt.
askew
(1,464 posts)Out after NH. It's too bad because he is the best candidate on Latino issues and he likely won't have enough money to compete in Nevada, the first state with a large Latino population.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)For all the things I like about O'Malley (and there are many), he is still very much a member of the democratic party who would be expected as others are to back Clinton.
Forgive me if there is something I don't know.
askew
(1,464 posts)3 Dem cycles. The idea that he is just an establishment tool is pretty false narrative.
I think O'Malley doesn't endorse anyone if he drops out. Hillary used DNC to stifle debates and deny him any media presence. I'd say there is no love lost there any longer. And he likely wants to be neutral just in case Hillary's email situation gets worse and the Dems want an alternative to Bernie.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)However plenty of non-establishment democrats have felt pressure to endorse Clinton, the establishment. That's what I mean. Hell, it's incredible to me that Warren hasn't bent to the pressure to endorse Clinton already.
O'Malley is a good candidate. And yes, endorsing Bernie at this stage does very little good for his ideas or for their viability with Bernie.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)MoM has been begging for time during the few debates and demanding more of them. He knows, just like we do, that HRC set the schedule.
I'm sure that will influence his support in the future.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Making light of it is pretty sick.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They don't want Hillary 1 on 1 vs. Bernie for several months thru the spring. They need O'malley up there as a buffer. Especially if more debates are being scheduled.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They won't let O'M go down. They can't have Bernie and Hillary alone on stage.
Reinforcements have been dispatched:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/09/martin-omalley-receives-support-from-obamas-finance-circle/?_r=0
Original post isn't gloating, it's fundraising.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)I see great things for him in the future. I hope he stays in the game
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)if I am correct, even though he could sure use some right now.
gotta respect that kind of integrity. MOM could do well as a member of Sanders cabinet.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Some folks love this idea. Others don't.
I'll leave others to decide which is which.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)... but he did a lot of good things for Maryland and staked out a lot of unpopular positions.
In addition, he was an excellent foil for Bernie and the Anointed One.
To dance on his grave simply because his campaign isn't flush with cash is despicable.
It is precisely what's wrong with American democracy.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)I feel bad for MOM but where is this viciousness. OP reports facts and nobody is piling on. Nobody I see is taking pleasure in seeing this info
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)I looked at it very neutrally. I mean it is sort of a meltdown to be down to so little cash while projecting strength to his supporters. But I wasn't aware this was meant to be snark.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)of the Only Righteous Candidate - and then it's cheered, K&R'ed, and repeated ad nauseam.
Puh-leez!
I am personally very sorry to see that the situation is so dire. MOM was my Gov and I like him a lot.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Welcome to BU! Haven't you noticed?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The fact that people on DU support Bernie by such a large margin should tell you something.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And yes, my father is better than your father.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Hell, I'm retired--I have time to spend on the internet.
Many Clinton supporters work, or do other things. They don't spend their days on discussion boards.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)to the point where he can't pay his staff. And no one, apparently--least of all the scolders here--seems to care enough to DONATE to his campaign. That's why he has no money.
Anyone with personal finances that mirrored what is described in that tweet would describe them as a MELTDOWN. There's no way to sugar coat it--he's in a heaping mess of trouble.
Why is it 'bad' to put this up? I just don't understand it. And what does "own it" even mean? What, you'd prefer to be in the dark, and not read the only piece of reporting--brief tweet though it is-- I've seen on this matter thus far?
I think the heat is directed at the poster for reasons other than the contents of the tweet. The people criticizing him don't support the same candidate he does, and they're taking swipes at him.
Since when are people OBLIGATED to "comment" on their posts, anyway? Every day, people post stuff without "commenting." I daresay you could go to your favorite protected group, never mind GD or GDP or LBN and find posts of articles without any "Oh no" or "Yippie!" messages attached.
I've never seen this place so eager to pick fellow DUers apart. It really makes this place a crappy place to have political discussions lately.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Or that beating up on a DUer based on who he supports is cool?
Or that posting a reporter's comment--if it says something "bad" about a candidate's finances--shouldn't be allowed here, because (insert some vague "meanie" reason...)?
You're not being as clear as you think you are. Come on--you need to be painfully specific here--I really want to know what you're objecting to.
askew
(1,464 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)O'Malley spox @haleymorris says public matching funds in Jan allowed campaign to pay off $500K in Dec debt, pay staffers waiting on salary.
So, I guess the Hillary supporter will have to find something else to be a jackass about.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It's a fact he's only continuing in the race to pay off his defects?
The OP is mild compared to the other low crap being said here.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Yet the person who posted the tweet is getting the shade.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I just don't think it's possible.
Kinda obviates the utility of the site, unfortunately.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Maybe he'll surprise us tomorrow. He has many good ideas, especially on healthcare.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Autumn
(45,106 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It's very important to wait your turn with the Clintons, you see.
Just wait a day or two, brooklynite will get back to you.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Probably meeting with some other royalty today.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)is it just because he says so on DU?
Does anyone think that George Soros and Bill Gates are taking the time to post on DU?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Karma...what goes around, comes around.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)and you reminded me of some cocktail napkins my husband received last year (during his second bone marrow transplant) that said "Dear Karma, I have a list of people you missed."
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)SamKnause
(13,107 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)MOM is an excellent candidate who has been unfairly eclipsed by the Hillary-Bernie sideshow.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)crude and disrespectful. martin o'malley has run and integral campaign from what i have seen.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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Depaysement
(1,835 posts)And opposing the coronation is expensive too.
A likeable man with musical talent and an interest in Irish history need not be mocked.
Bucky
(54,026 posts)He's not a bad politician... just not a sexy candidate.
I suspect we'll hear from him in the future.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)To get that.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I hope this works out for him.
Retiring campaign debt is onerous.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)become gloating? The OP provides no additional information, just referencing information from a reliable source, and the bulk of posts here are about the poster.
Primary season, where DU once again loses its collective shit.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)This thread reflects badly on DU and not for any so-called "gloating" in the OP but for all the posts attacking the OP poster.
It's like it shouldn't be posted and no one should know about it! It's unkind? LOL. Maybe we should leave MOM out of all polls and it is too unkind to let people see he's below 5%.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)There's always been an element of it, but it's so thick at this point that it's bordering on cultish in a lot of ways. Leaves a very bad taste in one's mouth.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ecstatic
(32,707 posts)I prefer more info to less info.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)The more data the better the decisions and understanding of what's going on.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)campaign.. Hello!!..
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)We shouldn't talk about Clinton or Sanders either.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)these campaigns are pricey.. and the O'Malley campaign is not melting down.. it is the sad state of what it costs to run the damn campaigns..
Just passing on data.. ..
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)That was the statement from the journalist in presenting it, not the opinion of the OP. But the majority of posts in this thread are attacking the OP as gravedancing.