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BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:45 AM Feb 2016

Bernie should start using what Michael Moore used to describe democratic socialism:

"So, what is democratic socialism? It’s having a true democracy where everyone has a seat at the table, where everyone has a voice, not just the rich."

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Bernie should start using what Michael Moore used to describe democratic socialism: (Original Post) BigBearJohn Feb 2016 OP
I have heard Bernie explain it that way. SamKnause Feb 2016 #1
Me too! Duppers Feb 2016 #15
When you have to explain you lose... already uponit7771 Feb 2016 #2
No politician has to explain their proposals? gyroscope Feb 2016 #3
Strawman, the OP is talking about a label not a proposal uponit7771 Feb 2016 #4
He is proposing to implement democratic socialism gyroscope Feb 2016 #5
Either way, label ... proposal... if you have to explain you lose... its not hard uponit7771 Feb 2016 #6
Thats why they are called debates gyroscope Feb 2016 #7
Which Trump will run right over Sanders in one of those debates with the socialist meme... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #8
Thats not what the polls say gyroscope Feb 2016 #12
And if not, President Trump with Hortensis Feb 2016 #16
+1, most people can't afford to take a chance with "slightly better" but still has his own bag of ba uponit7771 Feb 2016 #21
$$$ BeanMusical Feb 2016 #14
Right Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #11
Exactly gyroscope Feb 2016 #13
True. Here's one better. If he wins I'll be wearing this on a shirt. ancianita Feb 2016 #22
... and that's still explaining and then having to make people believe that too... His CFMA uponit7771 Feb 2016 #23
CFMA? Well, elevator pitches work well with everybody. Just be ready with evidence, if asked. ancianita Feb 2016 #25
Yes, please look it up... If Glass Steagal were the match CFMA was the gasoline and Bushs's uponit7771 Feb 2016 #26
I'd like to, too. ancianita Feb 2016 #28
Love it. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #9
Next time a young person asks you the question, you now have a great response. BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #10
Bernie has said that and he's also detailed the similarities to FDR's programs. merrily Feb 2016 #17
That's the thing, Berniacs are expecting an FDR president without and FDR congress... (link) uponit7771 Feb 2016 #27
He has. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #18
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #19
If only it were just the rich. A lot of poor people support Wall St as well. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #20
Yes, I liked that too. I thought his endorsement was just PERFECT. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #24
 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
5. He is proposing to implement democratic socialism
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:06 AM
Feb 2016

that is called a proposal, position, point of view, which every politician has to explain.

it is a meaningless label unless you explain it.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
7. Thats why they are called debates
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:10 AM
Feb 2016

so every candidate has a chance to explain themselves and their ideas very thoroughly.
the ones who fail to explain and convey their position very clearly are the ones who will lose. its not hard.

the one who lacks a clear vision is the one who loses (see 2008).

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
8. Which Trump will run right over Sanders in one of those debates with the socialist meme...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:13 AM
Feb 2016

... and not let go.

Sanders can explain all day long...

Sanders will be labeled just as bad as Hillary will be

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. And if not, President Trump with
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:47 AM
Feb 2016

a Cheney type and other right-wing opportunists actually running the country.

For me, voting for Bernie Sanders is like flipping a coin with the nation's future. You say Sanders losing the primary is not an option. I say the Democratic candidate losing the White House is not an option.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
21. +1, most people can't afford to take a chance with "slightly better" but still has his own bag of ba
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:52 AM
Feb 2016

... bad with Sanders.

After that poor outline of an SP plan came out he's not showing he's head and shoulders above Hillary, his supporters are letting perfect be the enemy of good or adequate

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
13. Exactly
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:23 AM
Feb 2016

not explaining yourself and letting the other side take control of the conversation is a sure path to defeat.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
23. ... and that's still explaining and then having to make people believe that too... His CFMA
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:01 AM
Feb 2016

... votes was for wall street and not the people...

that'll be thrown up in his face constantly

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
26. Yes, please look it up... If Glass Steagal were the match CFMA was the gasoline and Bushs's
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:02 PM
Feb 2016

... "No Down Payment" act was the one that put them together.

Sanders voted for CFMA... it was a really dumb vote, it took the feds off regulating the CDS's and CDO's so the banks can sell all the MBS's they wanted with no regulation behind their value...

The banks set the value and let the high risks float for nearly THREE YEARS because of the CFMA...

I've yet to hear an explanation of that vote

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
27. That's the thing, Berniacs are expecting an FDR president without and FDR congress... (link)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

... and I've heard this over and over again about Obama

FDR had an avg of 70% dems in congress MINIMUM through his TERM(s) as president.

You can't get that kind of legislation past a congress who doesn't have to because they're historically gerrymandered into their seats

That's why Sanders message sounds like pixy dust politics; promising everything except a well thought out plan on getting this crap past congress!!

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
20. If only it were just the rich. A lot of poor people support Wall St as well.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 07:37 AM
Feb 2016

But then, it takes a lot of little donors to make one big one.

If they are invested, they surely have a voice. Sadly, a very republican one that drowns out any insignificant attempts at personal responsibility towards our shared democracy that they may undertake.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
24. Yes, I liked that too. I thought his endorsement was just PERFECT.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

He couldn't have explained why Bernie is the best candidate to be our president any better than he did...with visual graphic included!

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