2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumInternal Iowa Polling Must Be EXTREMELY Good for Bernie
Bernie is saying they WILL WIN in an History Victory in Iowa. No candidate ever says that. If anything, if the internal polling is close, or shows you aren't going to win you lower expectations, which is what Camp Weathervane is doing. They've been setting Firewalls up all over the place and saying "Bernie's In Trouble After Iowa and NH" or "Bernie MUST WIN Iowa and NH" when it used to be that Bernie just had to do well. If you want to know the real polls, just listen to the candidates themselves.
These campaigns go door-to-door and face-to-face with real voters and caucus goers. They know if a person is for, leaning or against them. And they leave no undecided house unvisited. This has been my experience working for Kerry, Obama and now Sanders.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)"We will lose. The end is near"
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Yes, that is pretty much what he would say.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)A candidate will say "It's a tough fight"... "We need everyone to get out to vote", etc etc. Especially when it's close, you don't want people to be comfortable and want to make sure everyone of your supporters goes.
No, I would never expect them to say that.
I have seen candidates say, "Our chances are not good in this state, but we are holding our line in NH,...", etc. In fact, that is what Chris Christie said this morning.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)So he needs to convince people it's still worth caucusing and volunteering for him. He doesn't want people to stay home because it's not worth it.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)These have turned against him? Ah, ok.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Quinnipiac poll finished last nite B49 H46 M3
Not on web 919 likely Dem Iowa caucus participants Jan 25-31
Source TV Morning Joe @8:10 AM EST
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)I haven't seen that yet
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)I keep thinking of Howard Dean not having a concession speech ready in case he lost the Iowa caucuses.
cali
(114,904 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)And they sure as hell don't say "historic".
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)OTOH, he seems pretty relaxed, so my guess is that he expects, at worst, to finish a close second. That's all he really needs, given how well he's doing in NH.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)a win in NH will be dismissed as bernie winning next door to vermont.
when iowa and NH split on dem side the iowa winner tends to preveil.
Winning Iowa creates momenturm.losing it allows them to go back to dismisses bernie as a joke.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)We know that Bernie's leading by comfortable double digits in NH. if Bernie wins Iowa, some will try to dismiss the Iowa and NH wins as being not significant because both states have small minority populations, but Hillary will be faced with the prospect of going into Nevada having lost both of the first two states. Bernie's come from way behind to do well in Iowa. As long as the margin is narrow, he can afford to come in second. That's not what I think will happen, though.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Bernie needs Iowa like Obama needed Iowa. Had Obama lost Iowa in 2008 he would've lost the nomination. It offered him up proof that he could take on, and beat, Hillary Clinton. Even with the loss in New Hampshire, he was still a far more viable candidate nationally than the day before the Iowa Caucus. Hillary came in third in Iowa in '08 and still took Obama to the wire in a primary process that was extremely close.
What Bernie risks with an Iowa defeat is the idea solidifying around Clinton being inevitable. It almost entirely sets up a no-win situation in NH for Bernie. If he wins, it's expected - but if he loses, or the margins are much more narrower, then they'll further write off his campaign.
Iowa offers him the first break from the expected. Look at it like the NBA playoffs. There's a saying that the series truly doesn't begin until the road team wins a game. Iowa is Hillary's home court and NH is Bernie's. The problem here is that the status quo, like the home team winning every game in a series (inevitably, they'll ultimately win the series with this pattern) will fail Bernie if he doesn't steal a state.
After NH is the Nevada Caucus. Hillary has a built-in advantage among Hispanic voters who'll make up a huge number of caucus goers just like in 2008 (and they delivered the state to Hillary). Then there's South Carolina, which, again, is a state built more for Hillary and one she leads overwhelmingly. Now, I do expect many of these states to possibly narrow but the problem is now we're dealing with just weeks - not months like the lead-up to Iowa/NH.
Then comes Mini Super Tuesday. By that point, Hillary could have monumental momentum. If she loses Iowa, though, things change.
But look at the Mini Super Tuesday states:
Seven of the Twelve states are in the South/Midwest (Oklahoma).
Those are not favorable Bernie states.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)The behavior coming out of the Clinton campaign in the last few weeks gives the lie to your analysis. She's desperate to win.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)expect the red-baiting to begin in honest starting tomorrow.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Iowa has seen HRC and they said "no" last time.
The Sanders campaign in Iowa has gone much the same as Obama's 2008 run -- grassroots and big rallies. Looking good.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)tokenlib
(4,186 posts)It was not a prediction of victory without that all important caveat. Snow or no snow...If you are in Iowa, it isn't going to matter if you like Bernie, or support him and his positions..unless you go to the caucuses.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)more exhortations. I'm sure every Iowan who supports Bernie is well aware of the absolute necessity to show up in person at their precinct caucus. (I heard that phone bankers for Bernie had called EVERY NUMBER in the state at least once, which I find simply amazing.)
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)the first African-American in a predominately white state is historic.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Oooo, I see good results for you!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Now I see the real you ...
Sad ....
Gone. ...
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Just about 15 minutes ago, the Des Moines Register released their final poll before the Iowa caucus, and we wanted to make sure you saw the results right away:
Des Moines Register Poll - Iowa (January 30, 2016)
Clinton: 45%
Sanders: 42%
Weve come so far. Can you imagine how you would feel if we come up just short in Iowa? Especially when our numbers against Republicans are so strong.
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