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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:07 AM Feb 2016

Internal Iowa Polling Must Be EXTREMELY Good for Bernie

Bernie is saying they WILL WIN in an History Victory in Iowa. No candidate ever says that. If anything, if the internal polling is close, or shows you aren't going to win you lower expectations, which is what Camp Weathervane is doing. They've been setting Firewalls up all over the place and saying "Bernie's In Trouble After Iowa and NH" or "Bernie MUST WIN Iowa and NH" when it used to be that Bernie just had to do well. If you want to know the real polls, just listen to the candidates themselves.

These campaigns go door-to-door and face-to-face with real voters and caucus goers. They know if a person is for, leaning or against them. And they leave no undecided house unvisited. This has been my experience working for Kerry, Obama and now Sanders.

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Internal Iowa Polling Must Be EXTREMELY Good for Bernie (Original Post) berni_mccoy Feb 2016 OP
What do you expect him to say? Renew Deal Feb 2016 #1
If that is what it looked like to him Kalidurga Feb 2016 #4
Often times, if internal polling is close berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #5
At this point all of polls have turns against him Renew Deal Feb 2016 #8
Robocall based polls with small samples of old registered voters on land-lines? berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #9
The last 6 polls on a row going back 10 days. Renew Deal Feb 2016 #12
Quinnipiac poll finished last nite B49 H46 M3 kristopher Feb 2016 #13
Thanks Renew Deal Feb 2016 #14
Maybe I'm superstitious but I don't like overconfidence. Better to lower expectations. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #2
All candidates say they'll win. cali Feb 2016 #3
No, they don't. I've been doing this for some time. berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #6
He also said, "if turnout is good". He thinks he'll win if turnout is good, and lose if it isn't. winter is coming Feb 2016 #16
No he really needs win In iowa Robbins Feb 2016 #18
I disagree. HIllary's need to win Iowa is much greater. winter is coming Feb 2016 #19
No. Drunken Irishman Feb 2016 #26
Don't strain your back moving those goalposts. winter is coming Feb 2016 #29
If true, the pollsters will have to eat a mighty helping of crow! Also, if true, KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #7
Not really. The good polls are within MoE. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #23
Hillary finished 3rd in Iowa in 2008 and her 2016 appeal has been more of the same. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #10
Go Bernie! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #11
Brand new Quinnipiac poll has Bernie up 3 in Iowa. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #15
Bernie said IF we have a high turnout..we will win. But our people have to show up!! tokenlib Feb 2016 #17
I hear ya, but I'm not sure the good people of Iowa need to hear still KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #21
I doubt if he did win his victory will be of more historical value than Obama's WI_DEM Feb 2016 #20
Good point. Obama's 2008 win was a marker for the ages. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #22
Priests and entrails alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #24
You were SO friendly in the past Trajan Feb 2016 #27
Um, okay? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #28
I still like you Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #30
E-mail from Bernie ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #25
Looks like they need some new internal pollsters... DanTex Feb 2016 #31
 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
5. Often times, if internal polling is close
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

A candidate will say "It's a tough fight"... "We need everyone to get out to vote", etc etc. Especially when it's close, you don't want people to be comfortable and want to make sure everyone of your supporters goes.

No, I would never expect them to say that.

I have seen candidates say, "Our chances are not good in this state, but we are holding our line in NH,...", etc. In fact, that is what Chris Christie said this morning.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
8. At this point all of polls have turns against him
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

So he needs to convince people it's still worth caucusing and volunteering for him. He doesn't want people to stay home because it's not worth it.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
9. Robocall based polls with small samples of old registered voters on land-lines?
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:19 AM
Feb 2016

These have turned against him? Ah, ok.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
13. Quinnipiac poll finished last nite B49 H46 M3
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:25 AM
Feb 2016

Quinnipiac poll finished last nite B49 H46 M3

Not on web 919 likely Dem Iowa caucus participants Jan 25-31

Source TV Morning Joe @8:10 AM EST

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
2. Maybe I'm superstitious but I don't like overconfidence. Better to lower expectations.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:11 AM
Feb 2016

I keep thinking of Howard Dean not having a concession speech ready in case he lost the Iowa caucuses.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
6. No, they don't. I've been doing this for some time.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

And they sure as hell don't say "historic".

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
16. He also said, "if turnout is good". He thinks he'll win if turnout is good, and lose if it isn't.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

OTOH, he seems pretty relaxed, so my guess is that he expects, at worst, to finish a close second. That's all he really needs, given how well he's doing in NH.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
18. No he really needs win In iowa
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:19 AM
Feb 2016

a win in NH will be dismissed as bernie winning next door to vermont.

when iowa and NH split on dem side the iowa winner tends to preveil.

Winning Iowa creates momenturm.losing it allows them to go back to dismisses bernie as a joke.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
19. I disagree. HIllary's need to win Iowa is much greater.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:39 AM
Feb 2016

We know that Bernie's leading by comfortable double digits in NH. if Bernie wins Iowa, some will try to dismiss the Iowa and NH wins as being not significant because both states have small minority populations, but Hillary will be faced with the prospect of going into Nevada having lost both of the first two states. Bernie's come from way behind to do well in Iowa. As long as the margin is narrow, he can afford to come in second. That's not what I think will happen, though.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
26. No.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie needs Iowa like Obama needed Iowa. Had Obama lost Iowa in 2008 he would've lost the nomination. It offered him up proof that he could take on, and beat, Hillary Clinton. Even with the loss in New Hampshire, he was still a far more viable candidate nationally than the day before the Iowa Caucus. Hillary came in third in Iowa in '08 and still took Obama to the wire in a primary process that was extremely close.

What Bernie risks with an Iowa defeat is the idea solidifying around Clinton being inevitable. It almost entirely sets up a no-win situation in NH for Bernie. If he wins, it's expected - but if he loses, or the margins are much more narrower, then they'll further write off his campaign.

Iowa offers him the first break from the expected. Look at it like the NBA playoffs. There's a saying that the series truly doesn't begin until the road team wins a game. Iowa is Hillary's home court and NH is Bernie's. The problem here is that the status quo, like the home team winning every game in a series (inevitably, they'll ultimately win the series with this pattern) will fail Bernie if he doesn't steal a state.

After NH is the Nevada Caucus. Hillary has a built-in advantage among Hispanic voters who'll make up a huge number of caucus goers just like in 2008 (and they delivered the state to Hillary). Then there's South Carolina, which, again, is a state built more for Hillary and one she leads overwhelmingly. Now, I do expect many of these states to possibly narrow but the problem is now we're dealing with just weeks - not months like the lead-up to Iowa/NH.

Then comes Mini Super Tuesday. By that point, Hillary could have monumental momentum. If she loses Iowa, though, things change.

But look at the Mini Super Tuesday states:

Seven of the Twelve states are in the South/Midwest (Oklahoma).

Those are not favorable Bernie states.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
29. Don't strain your back moving those goalposts.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

The behavior coming out of the Clinton campaign in the last few weeks gives the lie to your analysis. She's desperate to win.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
7. If true, the pollsters will have to eat a mighty helping of crow! Also, if true,
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:15 AM
Feb 2016

expect the red-baiting to begin in honest starting tomorrow.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
10. Hillary finished 3rd in Iowa in 2008 and her 2016 appeal has been more of the same.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:20 AM
Feb 2016

Iowa has seen HRC and they said "no" last time.

The Sanders campaign in Iowa has gone much the same as Obama's 2008 run -- grassroots and big rallies. Looking good.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
17. Bernie said IF we have a high turnout..we will win. But our people have to show up!!
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:16 AM
Feb 2016

It was not a prediction of victory without that all important caveat. Snow or no snow...If you are in Iowa, it isn't going to matter if you like Bernie, or support him and his positions..unless you go to the caucuses.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
21. I hear ya, but I'm not sure the good people of Iowa need to hear still
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:45 AM
Feb 2016

more exhortations. I'm sure every Iowan who supports Bernie is well aware of the absolute necessity to show up in person at their precinct caucus. (I heard that phone bankers for Bernie had called EVERY NUMBER in the state at least once, which I find simply amazing.)

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
20. I doubt if he did win his victory will be of more historical value than Obama's
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:43 AM
Feb 2016

the first African-American in a predominately white state is historic.

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
25. E-mail from Bernie ...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

Just about 15 minutes ago, the Des Moines Register released their final poll before the Iowa caucus, and we wanted to make sure you saw the results right away:

Des Moines Register Poll - Iowa (January 30, 2016)
Clinton: 45%
Sanders: 42%

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