I always felt pay less taxes was a republican folly. I guess you Clintonites see things differently. Oh yeah, you are all pragmatic. That's the word. pragmatic.

They're as out of touch as their candidate.

The Tax Foundation being used as a source on DU?

They will have so many tax breaks their taxable income will be far less than what they actually make, so the 2.2% increase will barely be felt by anyone in poverty.

how anything works for people at that income level. They have theirs and that's all that matters.

that this actually looks to them like a valid argument.

that the reason He wants to increase the taxes so it will "barely" be felt

Clinton? Did you notice that they kinda like Ben Carson's tax plan? Do you know who sponsors that site?

of their monthly income for Obamacare premiums, as well as for health care that is not covered by insurance because of the high deductibles of their health care plan, these payments are taking away what was once their only expendable income. The payments and out of pocket costs are even driving some into serious debt, even poverty.

The 2.2% tax rate to pay for health care will be a significant savings, a relief, and a blessing.

If Bernie does not win, the middle/lower middle class will be totally fucked even more than we are now.

...almost all federal taxes are returned to those earners.
Congratulations on having been lucky enough to never have had to rely on that tax policy.
We LIVE for that refund check every single year.
It's a minute to breathe in a year of living paycheck to paycheck. Some years it represents my only steak dinner, and trust me, I feel very lucky for that.

...2.2% of a small paycheck equals medical coverage including vision and oral care.
+ whatever outlay was being made in any private coverage is nullified.

Why is this so hard to sell? It doesn't dismantle the ACA either. As if President SAnders would say, "OK we're going to repeal Obamacare right now, today and begin the debate on my system tomorrow, so everyone, don't get sick until we have a new plan."

smh

u agree with Berniethat people living in poverty should pay more in taxes?

Nice try though. Are you an attorney?

I think I just saw an ambulance.

To directly address your assertion that a poor person would be taxed more heavily under President Sanders I would point out that the central policy positions include not only the advent of single payer, paid for in part by a 2.2% payroll tax, but also a $15.00 minimum wage. That certainly won't end poverty in and of itself but the alternative is to simply not try. Also, she thinks that minimum wage workers only deserve $12/hr. That seems ultra-petty to me.

A piecemeal criticism of the Sanders platform is a decidedly RW way to make an argument.

I have little to say about your candidate until, by some gross miscarriage of universal justice, she might become MY candidate.

Until then, may the best man win.

Not HRC's tax plan
Its Bernie's Tax plan

nt

"There use to be a time when Democratic Party always took up the fight for the Poor, but no longer it seems." Welfare reform, no single payer and the dreaded Tax!!!. Throw in some spin, flip flopping and 9/11 and you have the GOP.

should have to pay taxes. But defend it if you must!

You're math skills are lacking. I am in that bracket and will get a refund of all taxes paid. I would be happy to let them keep that if I could be guaranteed health care.

those tax refunds with the Bernie Plan. or is that just speculation. ?

You're fake concern for my well being is nauseating.

from a Tax Code that is not in place at this time? a good trick.. I just want to see the refund data you claim. I haven't seen any !

Bernie tax plan is all over the internet, so u deny it existence too?

I believe you're concern is for your own tax increase as opposed to us little people that you could give two shits about as exemplified by your support for a 1% candidate that supported "welfare reform", for profit prisons, more war, $12 is enough for Proles and No We Can't Health Care.

but if believe that people living in poverty should pay more taxes , say so!

referring to what appears to be a right wing or libertarian sight and only point out their analysis of Sanders' tax plan.

Their conclusions for both Sanders and Clinton are almost word for word the same. They did mention that Ben Carson's plan will grow the economy while both Clinton and Sanders plans would reduce the economy.

Are you a supporter of that sight?

Is that before or after deductions? Would it be better to be better to go with the current "We can't serve you, wait on the curb" or "No we can't" system for healthcare?

This organization is not reliable according to "Clinton cheerleader": US economist Paul Krugman has characterised the Tax Foundation as "not a reliable source"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Foundation]

If it supports their lies it's all good! Love the concern for the working poor being exhibited while supporting 1% policies.

for the poor should not be dependent on them paying more taxes

Quit the lies and spin.

It isn't hard to understand that people will save a SHIT TON of cash because they will be dumping their health care insurance premiums.

You are using the EXACT DAMN TALKING POINT REPUBLICANS USED AGAINST THE ACA.
Full stop. Period. Quit the BS.
Did you forget "Obamacare is a tax hike" talking points?

/reality

poor people have a "shit ton" of health Care Premiums to "dump"

Because everybody qualifies for stuff, especially in red states who didn't expand medicaid. Right? Right.
Again, you are using the exact same talking points as Paul Ryan.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/02/paul-ryan/paul-ryan-says-dozen-obamacare-taxes-hit-middle-cl/

My, how familiar you sound.

I live in one, and poor have no health insurance premiums. now u want them to pay more taxes? hah,, and u compare me to the GOP?

I'm just saying.

Right because it's only the poor? Do you understand what the coverage gap is?
Here's you're debunking. http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/the-coverage-gap-uninsured-poor-adults-in-states-that-do-not-expand-medicaid-an-update/


The Coverage Gap: Uninsured Poor Adults in States that Do Not Expand Medicaid – An Updatehttp://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/the-coverage-gap-uninsured-poor-adults-in-states-that-do-not-expand-medicaid-an-update/



Now who's ignorant?
Next.

be necessary if you had a strong argument. You say "the poor have no health insurance premiums". Sadly that's mostly because they have no insurance. I volunteer working at a foodbank and am familiar with the poor and working poor. I ask some if they take advantage of the ACA and they tell me they can't afford it.

Embarrassing right wing bullshit spewed freely on DU, but it's OK if you support Hillary apparently.

Conservative think tank huh

why not use Club for Growth , or CATO institute while you are at

Especially right after you get done pulling talking points out of an elephant's ass.

It's just unsanitary...

if there is not going to be any poor people any more why bother with a tax increase for them. Brilliant!

and seriously no one is going to be working for that little bit unless it's part time and people making that little will be eligible for many entitlements.

is overwhelming....one hand you say there will be no poor , but the other says if there is it is a good investment for them . Yep those Po folks always looking for good investment opps.. geeeeez

Desperation, There was a time when Democrats didn't use RW talking points from conservative think tanks to deny healthcare to the poor.

about how OP sounds like Paul Ryan.

being concerned about people living in poverty having to pay taxes has always been a GOP talking point....... geeez

Democrats are too smart to swallow that line of bullshit. We fucking know better. What those living in poverty will get is better healthcare. The elderly and disabled will never have to worry about their SS being on the bargaining table. Just those two things sound like a fucking win to me.

what they said about Ben Carson's tax plan?

I am tickled that that sight doesn't like Sanders' plan.

No one believes them either.

And who else is rec'ing this right wing garbage.

Many also rec'd the anti-Semitic article from tomatobubble and the hit piece on Jane from FreeBeacon.

Such hypocrisy.

My property tax- I buy public education for for my children.
Paying sales tax - Supports my community.
With income tax - I want public healthcare and good infrastructure, good environment. I want to stop paying to fight in endless wars.
with the taxes I pay I want to buy our civilization.

that idea?

But I do this. Movements are about many people agree on the same thing. Everyone agrees or disagrees. I don't take credit for brain surgery but I agree with it and support it. I am not afraid of taxes. I fear the hurt that comes to our country for not doing it.

You don't even have to file a return, and if you actually did have some withholding you file and get every cent back... if you have children you get all of that back plus an earned income credit...

Although JFK was president, we were still under the Eisenhower tax rates (the ones brought down from the top of the mountain on wax tablets).

I made $2,667.00 in Adjusted Gross Income.

I took a 10% standard deduction.

I got $1,800.00 in personal exemptions (me, wife, and small baby @ $600 each)

This left me with $600.00 in Taxable Income.

I paid $120.00 at the lowest 20% rate.

Next year, the JFK tax cuts took effect and I paid less.

That is equal to $7,671.41 in 2015. I was alive and working also in those years... and remember taxes for those years... Quite a bit different now you would not have to even file on it today only to get anything that had been withheld refunded plus an earned income credit of around 500 ... you would owe nothing at all and if nothing had been withheld you would still get the earned income credit refunded to you.

But what if we still had the Eisenhower tax codes in place with no changes over the years? What would i have paid on the $7,671.41 in 2015?

The rate goes up 2.2% more, you pay 2.2% more. You don't get a dime back, there is no refund.

You are correct there but what I was referring to was regular income taxes not FICA.

If you earn $7,000 in 2015 and they withhold normal income taxes and are married with one child you would get all of the income taxes withheld, never get any refund of FICA unless you go over the cap and they are supposed to stop withholding at 118,000 or so... so at the $7000.00 level you would pay whatever is normal for FICA but "income" taxes withheld would be refunded entirely and you would get around 500 earned income credit also..or if nothing was with held you can still file and get the earned income credit...if no earned income credit due to you a married couple $20,600 (both spouses)under that not required to file.

Every Single One of The Top 10 Corporate Tax Dodgers Are Donors To Hillary Clinton

Bernie Sanders is leveraging the increasing attention his campaign is getting to call out major corporations for shirking their tax responsibilities. In a press release issued Friday, Sanders “pledged to close tax loopholes like a law that lets profitable corporations exploit offshore tax havens to avoid paying U.S. income taxes.”

Some Paid Zero Federal Taxes Despite Huge Profits
Sanders published a list of the top ten “corporate tax dodgers,” among which are some, like General Electric, Boeing and Verizon, that paid no federal income taxes at all between 2008 and 2013, despite racking up huge corporate profits.

Sanders enumerates a tough five point platform to make corporations pay their fair share in federal taxes. These include shutting down corporate inversions, ending tax deferrals on profits of offshore subsidiaries, and making sure companies can’t just claim to be foreign by establishing a P.O. box in the Cayman Islands or other tax haven. (He also wants to end tax subsidies for fossil fuel companies.)

So that’s what a President Sanders would do, if given the chance. How about a President Hillary Clinton?

Well, not so much. It turns out that all top ten corporations on Sanders’ list also have strong ties to Hillary Clinton, often benefitting from her official positions while donating to her campaign or the Clinton Foundation or giving her huge speaking fees. Here’s the Sanders list of tax-dodging companies — and their connections to Hillary Clinton.

more

http://www.francescarheannon.com/2016/01/every-single-one-of-top-10-corporate.html?m=1

look over there a squirrel !

The janitorial services zooms in to clear it right out.

People makiing $9,275,will probably not pay any taxes including the healthcare tax but if they did and be able to have healthcare and no healthcare premiums their tax bill per month would be $17.0004 per month.
But minimum wage earners and down would probably not have tax.
The income example you gave is not even a minimum wage earner. So nice try with the Republican talking point.

That would be very cheap health Insurance even at that amount..A person with that income would be on Medicaid,
again nice try..but it wont fly

Funny how things all work out sometimes.

There is no standard deduction on FICA.

It will come out of every paycheck, just like SS and Medicare.

are funded the same exact way - through payroll taxes. Should we eliminate those as well? Were the supporters of those programs picking on the poor?

Third, many of those who this effects qualify for the earned income tax credit which is designed (at least for those without dependents) to offset payroll tax deductions.

You, like your candidate have a veracity problem ......

I'm just basing that on your lack of knowledge of taxation at that level.

FWIW. For twenty plus years I made around what is now the median wage. My production increased 9 fold, not my compensation. At the time it was a bit above the US median wage. I paid 33% tax. I got some of it back usually, but not always. My buying power went down each year. I dealt with it.
People pay taxes. They have for thousands of years. It is how humanity funds civilization.
To me, it make sense that those who reap the greatest returns from our collective civilization should pay the largest percentage in taxes.

In the spirit of full disclosed; I am currently on full disability, for which I paid 30+ years of disability insurance. That's what it used to be called; Social Security Insurance/Disability Insurance.

and NO one making < $250,000 a year will pay more in taxes.

Everyone will pay it, regardless of their income.

or at least it will for most Americans, if you're some kind of exception to the rule.

Just correcting the notion that it's an income tax that can be eliminated by deductions.

And for very poor people, it most likely will be more than they pay now, but it's a very small amount, and the payback is tremendous.

total distortion; i posted on this the other day

Is it willful ignorance or that they do understand and choose to lie about it?

u know better. u know this argument is bullshit. u've been shown over n over it's bullshit, yet u keep sayioung the same thing.

will be soundly rejected by voters across the US.

But that was before Big Money like Goldman-Sachs started using their money to influence our government. Krugman is hoping to get something if HRC wins. He sold his soul for a little promise of a piece of the pie.

The Clintons have accumulated enormous wealth from the current corrupt big money culture. Why change a good thing?

seriously flawed.

Oh my!

And no more honest than it was the last 1,000 times it as tried.

They will get every dollar paid in back in the form of a refund when they file as they currently do.

want lies, distortions and misdirection from your president then by all means vote for hillary....

There will ALSO be an 6.2 percent "employer contribution" to his health non-plan that employers will pay for by lowering employee pay.

is a bargain.

Gone

And if you are a Democrat you should know that

when I was making that much. A couple hundred a year for healthcare? Would've been great. I almost cry thinking about how much better that would have been for me.

Look at tax foundation link for details