Hillary has proven for decades that she can spit in the eye of the teahaddists and make them run away crying with their tails between their legs.

Bernie would be easy prey for Herr Trump and his minions.

This used to count in the democratic Party. Still should.

1) Winning the GE
2) Fighting the Republicans in congress

Proposals that are never going to happen are way down the list.

I just don't understand why so many think she has any chance at all.

... revolutions.

Now proffering is good?

Please, give some clarity on what constitutes appropriate proffertude!


I'm gonna give you the ezra pound refrigerator magnet poetry award for that post, though.

... vs the nothing sandwhich Sanders would get with congress

Frank Chu has Got Nothin' On You!

... unilateral measures via executive orders if she has to...

That's different, Sanders will soon follow

A solid history of liberal voting. What about invading Iraq. She got it wrong. Bernie got it right.

You're looking at our next JFK if you would focus on him.

This is a terribly disappointing line of thought.

If I were supporting a sports team then I could say "all that matters is winning".

This isn't a sports team.

When it comes to politicians what does it matter what team they are on if it ultimately comes down to going with whatever Corporate interests and the 0.1% decide should be the course.

Sad, sad, sad.

As for all that other stuff you mentioned.... not so much.

Yep it's true.

He's unelectable in my opinion. That means Hillary is the logical choice.

and it hasn't happened yet. Prove to me that Hillary can win the GE. Proof, not a hunch. Go ahead. I'll wait here.

I think a Bernie presidential candidate would be an historic blowout landslide win for the republicans.

You prove that he wouldn't be. Ill wait here.

That's called an opinion, only the election can prove the theory.

super tuesday, Hillary will be the presumptive nominee of the party and we can get back to fighting the damned republicans again.

You too!

The repubs have been chomping at the bit for Bernie to be the Dem nominee. In fact many repubs are supporting Bernie because they don't want Hillary to be the nominee. The repubs have tons of money and have researched Bernie going back to the 1960s. They will destroy him in quick time.

Yes - he only gets minimally 3x the crowds that HRC gets.

He gets people that were entirely disgusted with the political system suddenly interested.

He has a large number of independents and a fair number of Republicans actually supporting him. I hear Republicans say "I don't like his policies but I will vote for him because he seems honest and you know what he really believes".


He runs better against Trump and Cruz when compared to HRC.

He talks about the massive transfer of wealth to the top 1% - it's a key part of his platform and talks about reversing this trend.
Meanwhile HRC gets donations from the top 10 tax dodgers.

HRC at BEST people feel mediocre about. Actually it's somewhere between 'mediocre towards supporting' and outright hatred toward her are the ranges I seem to see with people I know (these are people that call themselves Progressive).

So how is she stronger in the General than Bernie -

Maybe I wasn't taking into account all the massive donations her Super PAC gets??

and Sanders is the logical choice.

See how that works? It's what makes horse races. It's what makes the world go round!

We need to make Bernie policies thous of the Democratic Party again.

Must be a fair amount of N2O in the mix.

I've been waiting my whole adult life to be able to vote for a qualified woman. I will proudly vote for Hillary in the Michigan Primary. It's time we stop voting in old white guys.

It is clear from many posters that they don't know Hillary and are just repeating repub talking points about her. The repubs are doing all they can to get Bernie the Dem nomination. Then with all their research and money, the repubs will destroy Bernie.

The woman I paid attention too during the Watergate hearings was Barbara Jordan.

Somewhat less raptured. Or OPis excellent at what they do. Colbertis that you BTW it's a busy day and can't check OP's leanings

My thought, also.

lots of hard working volunteers and staff.

Very fitting.

Debbie Wasserman Binks.

I Hillary!

for their fraudulent behavior.

Hillary 2016!

And thy happen to match her on most of the other criteria.

She is the only one who can and will meet the challenges certain to come, and in the "excellent" health needed to keep up her tireless schedule...one that won't quit once she is POTUS.
I am with her

This is so far from reality it hurts

I do not understand those that are supporting Hillary.

They have a thought process that is so different from mine that I find it disturbing.
Their whole world view seems in conflict with the many wise people and ideas that I find show a path toward a rational world.

For me, the slide to the right, the embrace of the corporate philosophy, the insistence on giving ground on the framing of debate, has made the very idea of rational discussion impossible.

Cut it out - Will never happen - these statements are nothing but surrender - and they serve no purpose other than to show surrender to the system.

So it must be truuuuuuuuuuuuue!

her a conservative. Calling her a royalist fascist wouldn't sound any more willfully stupid, but most apparently seem to prefer their delusions -- carefully avoiding the many honest professional analyses they don't want to see. She is a moderate liberal.

It's fine to prefer Bernie, but gratuitously villainizing her instead of just rejecting her for real reasons? Like her vote for the war, for instance. That's REAL. If you mean it. Don't hang all your dislike on a phony hook. For most of her enemies this eagerness to embrace delusions is coming from inside them, not from external factors like her actual record.

EOM

but nobody is more disliked by crucial independent voters than Hillary. Can't win the general with someone like that.

The last thing we need is another corporatist puppet and pander bear...

chosen to continue in her service to America. Hillary could easily kick back and rest comfortably with a secured financial nest egg.

For Wall Street!

As I saw one of the Hillary Mods post today, She is the only one that will stand with the Republicans. May have been "up to" but that can't be right. After all she likes TPP, XL, Fracking, For profit Prisons, Wall Street and war.

to get out and vote for whatever imbecile they nominate than Hillary. There is no one in politics more despised.

Republicans want Bernie. They fear Hillary. She is battle tested. The Republicans would target Bernie's many weaknesses. Running on the same platform as Walter Mondale, he would have the same fate-He won 1 state-His home state of MN

Too much poor judgment
Too much baggage: NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, Welfare Deform, destruction of Glass Steagall
Too much hyperbole: "nobody smarter, tougher, more effective"

Hopefully 2016 will be like 2008 and we can bid HRC adieu for good!

Except she insists on running in the Democratic Primary.

Bernie isn't even a Dem. I wish he was. I have a huge problem with that. Why don't you?

Because I see it as a feature, not a bug.

The Democratic Party has become the go-along-to-get-along Party. They cynically pretend to be on the verge of fighting for us when they need our votes ("Give us subpoena power!), only to immediately acquiesce upon receiving them ("Impeachment is off the table!&quot . They are unwilling to whip votes for bedrock Democratic issues like health care, yet are willing to put Social Security on the bargaining table.

I'm not a Democrat, yet I registered as one simply to vote for Bernie in the primary. I will drop my membership immediately after. Posts like yours continually reinforce that this is the right decision.

Bernie's running as a Dem to win the Democratic nomination. I'm an elected precinct delegate in the Democratic Party.
I go to my monthly district meetings. We are all Dems there. Bernie's not a Dem. I have a problem with that. Besides we have enough old white guys being president anyway.

You are my political opponents.

Party loyalty is for authoritarians.

I've waited my whole adult life to be able to vote for a qualified Dem woman for president. I will proudly vote for Hillary in the Michigan Primary. She is one hell of a fighter and will make up all proud!

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Hillary is morally and ethically unfit to hold political office. She was a do nothing senator and terrible secretary of state.
If there is any justice she will be prosecuted for the email debacle.

Everything she has ever done was with one goal in mind to get her hands on the power sh so greatly desires. I for one , and there are many of us, will NEVER help her to get that power.


Trump will easily defeat her if she manages to worm her way into the nomination

But the %'s will be all the talk tomorrow regardless of the outcome

The crooked banksters.
The greedy pharmaceutical manufacturers.
The superfluous health insurance companies.
The toxic fossil fuel barons.
The media that fails to provide the necessary information to a democratic society, and even substitutes lies.
The corrupt politicians who allow themselves to be bought with bribes generous campaign contributions.

Feel the Bern. Power to the People.

that, should she win, you won't be seeing her grand plans enacted any time soon. I mean she has a million of them. After 25 years, she's had time to draw any number of pretty paint-by-numbers scenarios. She, individually, will save mankind from decay.
Or not.

"Noam Chomsky would “absolutely” choose Hillary Clinton over the Republican nominee if he lived in a swing state, but her primary challenger, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, “doesn’t have much of a chance," the MIT professor and intellectual said in a recent interview."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/noam-chomsky-supports-hillary-clinton-218192#ixzz3yyLa9ULR