2016 Postmortem
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Full disclosure, if I could vote in a US election, I'd be feeling the Bern in a big way, but there's no way to pretend that if Hillary got the nom, that Rubio, Paul, Cruz, or Trump would make a better leader. No way at all. Hillary may be more of same, but the alternative is almost totally unconscionable.
Check out the hastag #VoteBlueNoMatterWho and SUPPORT your candidate, don't TEAR DOWN the other. And yes, supporters on both sides are doing it.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Saviolo
(3,282 posts)... like a scolding mom, but the tribalism is painful to watch. Watching from Canada up here, and the same sort of thing is bleeding into our politics, too. It's discouraging, and I think that's a huge problem overall. It discourages people from voting at all, because if their candidate doesn't win, they don't have another candidate to vote for, only the negative construction they've had presented to them. On the other hand, if both sides just built up their own candidate, then if one candidate doesn't win, the other still has positive things to point to, instead of only negative.
Let's not discourage Democratic voters!
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)All for this.
A flawed candidate on the Democratic ticket is better than any of the ogres banging the war drums on the other side.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)All I've got is more reasons to oppose her than I have fingers. Way I see things, I don't have a party because the closest thing to what I am doesn't have a counterpart in America, and likely will never have a counterpart in America-- helped in part thanks to Hillary's support for the PATRIOT Act and mandating forced backdoors through encryption.
So what's my silver lining? The country'll go in the same direction from where I stand one way or another. It'll just take a little shorter to get there if it's a legitimate republican instead of a republican-lite.
Saviolo
(3,282 posts)If Bernie fails to get the nomination, will you then not vote for Hillary? Because if you stay home and not vote for the Democratic ticket, you are voting for Rubio/Paul/Cruz/Trump, or whoever gets the republican nom.
As I said, I think Hillary's problematic, she's not the perfect democratic candidate on big money and corporate control, but she's not even in the same ballpark as the republican ticket.
I so want to see Bernie go all the way, but if Hillary gets the nomination, please consider a vote against the republicans, regardless.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)She is literally the antithesis of everything I believe in-- but I hardly believe in staying home. I'm likely just going to write in for an independent, if the Texas absentee ballot will let me.
Saviolo
(3,282 posts)Is it likely that one party or another is pretty much guaranteed to win in your district, or is it a swing district? Because having a Democratic candidate in office over the next four years vs. a Republican could mean a great deal vis a vis the Supreme Court, etc...
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)it's more or less a comfort thing.
Saviolo
(3,282 posts)That's totally fair. Also frustrating, I know. I've been in the same situation.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)of my enlistment, Texas at least adores its veterans. Honestly, I at least hope I'm alive to see the end of gerrymandering, even if that's a madly unlikely possibility.