there's a huge assumption that MOM people will cross to HRC automatically. I hope all MOM caucus goers understand how little they are respected by the HRC people.

No it's not. It's about two views. One backed by big money corporate interests, the other backed by actual people. The fact that you think a "He did it first!" argument is acceptable only further lowers my view of HRC.

Just to be clear, shuffling your supporters from one candidate to the other to block someone is wrong no matter who you are. Clinton, Sanders, or O'Malley.

Just let trickery win because this is just a big football game right? If you win that way then you are already them.

I have zero problems with this app. It makes perfect sense. I won't be surprised if the app sucks and doesn't work properly because technology and all of that jazz, and it needs to rely on a likely unskilled user, but it is a great idea.

Do I think Hillary will use this tactic against Republicans? Depends on what she's fighting for. She'll use them when her corporate friends have something to gain. I don't expect her to do anything for me.

It's fighting dirty out of desperation and it only drives our country further off the cliff. But hey, good luck with your winning at all costs mentality.

If you try to lean on someone too heavy to act in a manner they might perceive as usurping Democracy, you might drive them away (or over to the Bernie camp).

Apps are technology: tools to guide. People are still people.

"This is about winning. I want a candidate who will do what they can to win."

The concept of "winning".. what is it?

There were many times during Obama's presidency where he "won", but the country lost. Bush tax cuts made permanent as part of a budget deal. #Winning. ACA passed w/o a public option (despite the fact that we COULD have had one via reconciliation) #Winning. TPP #Winning.

Democrats lose too often on their principles, but declare they are #winning.

I have no problem with it as long as it is within the rules, which it apparently is.

1) Regardless of who wins, the Iowa caucus violates the three most precious tenets of democracy: the secret ballot, one person, one vote, and making voting as convenient as possible.

2) We will never, ever, know the pop vote because if a candidate doesn't meet the fifteen percent threshold his or her voters can go home or caucus with someone else.

3) Every candidate is going to take advantage of the delegate allocation system.

I have a feeling, at the end of tonight, we are going to have a lot more people discussing the flaws in the process, just as we have been.

Seems some don't mind an oppressive anti-democratic process if they think it will help their side.

I was floored reading his quote that he doesn't know the rules.

First I've heard of it, but I've avoided GDP for most of January and just returned for the caucus event itself.

Weaver’s concern is based on what he described as an “alarming” letter received by a voter named Dennis Clifford in Hawarden, Iowa. Although Clifford is a Sanders supporter, the letter, from a Clinton campaign office in Sioux City, urged him to caucus for Clinton and identified a non-resident as his local precinct captain. That would not actually be prohibited, but Weaver, who admitted he wasn’t familiar with the rules, claimed it indicated the Clinton campaign is “infiltrating the caucuses with out-of-state paid staffers.”

And here is the guy Weaver got his info from. He doesn't know the rules either.

“Coming from Sioux City into the Hawarden caucus and trying to influence the voters in the Hawarden caucus, I don’t know what the rules are, but it certainly is irregular,” Clifford said.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/sanders-campaign-cites-alarming-signs-clinton-020552922.html

You need the right local folks on the ground that can also ensure that the top tier staffers understand how it works.

I hate caucuses because of the weirdness of it all, but it's also something that's reflective of the kind of larger campaign that's built, so it's a double-edged sword.

It is so amazingly difficult. But ones campaign manager should know every rule of a place as important as Iowa. They really aren't all that complex.

Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine 16h16 hours ago

In 08 out-of-state Clinton staff were at pcts, did not caucus. But I can name ones from other campaigns who did.....
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Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine 16h16 hours ago

Placeholders for pct captains is no big deal, nor would a staffer serving as pct captain - as long as they don't caucus
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Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine 16h16 hours ago

This is a hilariously bad argument from Weaver - staff are always at pct locations. Sanders staff will be too https://www.yahoo.com/politics/sanders-campaign-cites-alarming-signs-clinton-020552922.html …

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Amy Fried ?@ASFried 16h16 hours ago

@IAStartingLine Has Weaver has ever run a campaign outside of Vermont?
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Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine 16h16 hours ago

Placeholders for pct captains is no big deal, nor would a staffer serving as pct captain - as long as they don't caucus

Weaver tried to make a point about Clinton shenanigans, while the person giving him his info doesn't know the rules and neither does he. How do articles like that get written?

I almost felt bad for how foolish he looked after his campaign stole data from Clinton. His press conference was just pathetic.

...she had not heard about using the rules to throw supporters over to O'Malley -- even though the very same tactic was used against her by Obama in 2008?

Thought not.

know the rules. haha

Save your tissues.

politics ain't beanbag. You better compete using the full strategies and tactics allowed by the rules, or else you're gonna lose.

'Course, you better make sure your campaign manager actually knows the rules.

Sid

He and his team used the rules and took the tech and social media aspects of the time and ran with it in a way that other campaigns didn't even forsee.

Sid

Unfortunately, we have to put Clinton in that category...

Statespersons win with their policies and issue positions.

Clinton is wisely not neglecting them this cycle, and has also hired many of the Obama team. I'm feeling good.

Bernie has told his college-aged supporters to caucus in their home districts instead of in their college districts. Is that an outrage too? Is that manipulating the system?

...I do recognize that using the rules to one's advantage is part and parcel of good campaigning and I will not fault any campaign for doing so. As long as the rules are followed.

It is not a surprise that this tactic -- throwing support to an underdog to suppress the delegate count of your rival -- is available; it was used by Obama in 2008. So folks had plenty of time to change the rules if they wanted to.

Hoping for a Bernie landslide tonight! Go Bernie!!

[blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"][p lang="en" dir="ltr"]O'Malley meltdown: $169,442 cash on hand, $535,477 in debt. Owes staffers salary & has $500K outstanding bank loan

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But whatever gets you through the night.