We're not real Democrats and we're all that's wrong with the world, just like Hillary. We're not truly liberal and are in name only. It's been a pretty constant thing in being told that the last few months.

It is easier to just go with the flow - but I believe that a huge waterfall is just down stream.

Apparently we all suffer from it...

It's a long list.

Clearly Bernie is to the left of HRC which is why I support him.

Those who support HRC aren't as left as you and I.

Doesn't mean they are not liberal/left.

Nor does it mean that they have a "disturbing thought process."

They've just picked another candidate.

It's not just a matter of differences. It's been presented as one being the end of everything and the other being a savior. Turns it very black and white and nearly cultish.

the 93 means little

The two people frame their ideas in a fundamentally different way.

Hillary plays by the rules of the right wing.
Sanders offers a whole new approach to basis of discussions.

A fundamental difference.

Bernie calls her a friend and says he has respect for her.

it comes down to a few issues that they're different on.

I support O'Malley but may to choose between them. I will have to decide what issues matter most to me. Same with those that are undecided-like my husband. Who bugs me all day asking if anything new has developed.

Thank you, thank you, thank you ...

From a Bernie voter ...

The vast majority of votes in Congress are procedural, or non-issues like naming airports and streets,
or on issues so overwhelming that an individual's vote doesn't count.
I used to believe that the voting record was the touchstone, until I started staying us all night watching C-Span and saw the number of holdouts until the issue was settled, or the "vote swapping" that regularly happened.

The ONLY statistic that matters are the times when Hillary voted AGAINST the Democratic Party, and she turned her back on the Democratic Party too often on MAJOR issues.

* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Clinton and the Republican do not.


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot on MAJOR issues.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

As for me, I don't think Bernie can win the general, and I don't want a Republican president. That's the main thing.

I would think they are very different than the one I explore.

for me

Noam Chomsky - Naomi Cline - Richard wolf - Chris hedges - a solid list of environmentalist - and others - pinker, Einstein, ...

Krugman plays in the chicago school box - smart - yes - but he plays in the box

So, if winning the general is important to you, go with the candidate with broad support.


The White House is won by the votes of Independents.

what's wrong with some of Bernie's supporters?

I watched in horror - we put raygun in office.

It was clear then that there were many structural problems that we as a species needed to face.

An example - A current topic in the economist magazine was the exploration of steady-state economics.

That died. And many other explorations died. Liberal became a dirty word.

The whole national discourse moved away from rational exploration. The terms of debate have been framed by the right and the democratic leaders have mostly played in the box created by the billions of spent in right wing think tanks.

We have been given a chance to be part of a great force to change the very essence of politics in America.

I want to be a strong supporter of that force.

and it chafes me to no end.

Hillary ain't "as good" a democrat as Bernie, but she is 1,000,000 times better than the other dozen idiots in the race not named O'Malley ...

She is viewed as a strong, knowledgeable and experienced candidate capable of leading the country. She is also a familiar and well-known person with whom many people are comfortable with, perhaps due to nostalgia from her husband's presidency.

I strongly support Bernie but I have no issues with people who support Hillary. That's why we have elections. Regardless of who wins the nomination, we are much better off with either of them than with any current occupant of the Republican clown car.

Two in one thread - gives me hope!

Show haw far we've come in just a few short months!

But, they have been through more crap than many people can imagine. Not more than I can because I have been through some chit. Anyway, they have seen up close and personal the fight for women's rights and were on the front lines facing sexism in the work force. For those things I thank them. But, now isn't the time to sit back and be alright with the status quo that has been so hard to establish. No, we must go forward and only look back as a way to inform us on how to move forward.

I am going to vote Clinton and hope she gets to build off the success of Obama. The exact opposite of surrendering to the system. Working to change the system for the better.

...

I am not a conservative, I've been a liberal Democrat all of my adult life.

Your simplistic theory fails miserably. Pushing this false narrative day in and day out doesn't help your candidate one iota.

Less than a year ago, he was dismissed as a fringe candidate, a no-hoper. Yes, we've a long ways yet to go, but let's not forget where we started.

And those that are voting for her are conservative, which again fosters the whole liberal in name only thing.

Circular firing squad these days.