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bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:27 PM Feb 2016

C. Pierce : What we're seeing with Bernie was a long time coming (GREAT read)

One of the people standing around the sidewalk, waiting for the approaching candidate, was Steve Cobble, whose specialty is wrangling delegates. In 1988, he did it for the campaign of Jesse Jackson. (Ironically, Tad Devine, who is Bernie Sanders's campaign manager, did that same job that year for Michael Dukakis. Devine won.) The two Jackson campaigns—1984 and 1988—have become lost from the political narrative of the following 30 years, but they are an undeniable historical source modern progressive Democratic politics in general, and for its manifestation in the Sanders campaign this time around.

"The interesting thing is that Bernie was a Jackson supporter, and was one of the two white officeholders to risk their jobs across the color line, so Jim Hightower (the longtime Texas populist firebrand) and Bernie were the two that did that, and he helped us win the Vermont caucus in April of '88, which is actually when I met Bernie.

In 1988, Jackson ran on a platform that included a new Works Progress Administration to provide jobs and rebuild an American infrastructure that even then was perceived to be crumbling. He advocated for the Equal Rights Amendment, free community college education, a stricter enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, and a single-payer system of national health care. Not one of those proposals was included in the party platform that emerged from the 1988 Democratic National Convention. Today, with the exception of the ERA, which has been replaced somewhat in progressive politics with pay equity and family leave, not a single Democratic candidate is opposed to any of them.

The disappearance of the Jackson campaigns from the history of modern progressive politics is not an accident. By 1992, when Bill Clinton teed up Sister Souljah as a direct slap at Jackson, who was sitting not 10 feet away on the dais, the exile became complete. The Jackson campaigns—and the populist forces that were their energy—became something from which serious Democratic politicians were obliged to distance themselves. Race was soft-pedaled and class simply was not mentioned at all.


http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41691/bernie-sanders-iowa-progressive/
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C. Pierce : What we're seeing with Bernie was a long time coming (GREAT read) (Original Post) bullwinkle428 Feb 2016 OP
Good Article, but I have a problem with this statement: bvar22 Feb 2016 #1
Correct. "not a single Democratic candidate is opposed to any of them" is false. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #6
See my post #7. I'm too old for this cheap shot compromise stuff. We need real change JDPriestly Feb 2016 #10
Kick for more views... bullwinkle428 Feb 2016 #2
I volunteered for Jackson in 1988 and 1992 in Wisconsin. Ancient KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #3
I'm still hopeful that Jackson will endorse Bernie... demwing Feb 2016 #4
That would be something, wouldn't it? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #5
oh don't say that :P PatrynXX Feb 2016 #8
I'm 72, and I have been on the compromised end of primary after primary. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #7
I feel a 300 presence around :) PatrynXX Feb 2016 #9
I'm with you, there. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #11
The fascist Trump workinclasszero Feb 2016 #13
Trump also thanks you for your support of the devisive and unelectible Hillary. Loudestlib Feb 2016 #14
Bernie would be McGovern 2 workinclasszero Feb 2016 #15
Wall St. is okay with HRC. Jackilope Feb 2016 #17
Kindly explain, then, why Bernie does better than she does against hifiguy Feb 2016 #18
Well people don't know the real Bernie yet workinclasszero Feb 2016 #19
Uh-huh. Sure. hifiguy Feb 2016 #20
Bernie also wants to reduce military spending and get rid of the fat in government. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #24
Trotting out that old, worn out shibboleth? bvar22 Feb 2016 #23
No. He is not McGovern. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #25
63% of eligible voters did not vote in 2014. Sanders is mobilizing them eridani Feb 2016 #26
Let's blame the politician and not the voter. Jackilope Feb 2016 #16
I, personally, feel responsible for my children and grandchildren. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #22
K & R Awknid Feb 2016 #12
"Most poor people are not lazy." klook Feb 2016 #21

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
1. Good Article, but I have a problem with this statement:
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

a "New Works Progress Administration to provide jobs and rebuild an American infrastructure"

and

a "single-payer system of national health care"

are OPPOSED by some Right Wing Democrats who scream about TAXES (like Republican babies).

If the ERA had full Democratic Party support, we would have it already.


The biggest problem facing the Democratic Party is NOT The Republicans,
it is the Democratic Party itself.


[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
[/font]

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. See my post #7. I'm too old for this cheap shot compromise stuff. We need real change
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:04 PM
Feb 2016

that helps American families.

I would understand our tax system if the rich weren't quite as rich as they are. But the disparity in wealth in our country is inexcusable.

We have to change this or our middle class will just melt away. The amount of personal debt that the middle class and the poor are carrying is an impossible burden.

And in my neighborhood, housing prices continue to rise although wages??????

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
8. oh don't say that :P
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:00 PM
Feb 2016

I was 12-13 in 1988 , good memories. 1988 also started my political interest. oops. except not in the way the folks at the Lutheran school thought.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. I'm 72, and I have been on the compromised end of primary after primary.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:59 PM
Feb 2016

This time, it's either Bernie Sanders or a blank box besides Hillary Clinton's name.

I will vote for all Democrats on my ballot EXCEPT HILLARY CLINTON.

To make a living and to get along, I compromised many times in my life.

But this time, I will not.

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who has the moral strength needed to lead this country.

It's Bernie or . . . . disaster.

This is my country. I've seen some wonderful countries. I've known some wonderful people.

But American has the potential to be the best country in the world, and it has the most wonderful people. We deserve the best. We deserve Bernie. I will settle for no less.

Feel the Bern!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
13. The fascist Trump
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

Thanks you for your help in getting him elected, I have no doubt.

What will you do when Bernie endorses Hillary for President?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
15. Bernie would be McGovern 2
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

The republicans would beat him in a landslide.

That's why they are helping him as much as possible. They know if Hillary is our nominee they are toast.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
17. Wall St. is okay with HRC.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

They aren't scared at all. She is Plan B and a dear friend.

If running as GOP Lite, people will vote for the real GOP. She will lose if getting the nomination.

They didn't plan on Bernie and they didn't plan on our anger. Let's get real change or get out of the way so we can get real progress.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
18. Kindly explain, then, why Bernie does better than she does against
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:29 PM
Feb 2016

tRump and Cruz in national polls.

She alienates the entire progressive/liberal base, says nothing to attract the disaffected and independents (promising only more of the crappy status quo) and strongly motivates Repigs to vote against her. Her unfavorables are yuuuuuuge with the general public.

She would get beaten like a gong in the general.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
19. Well people don't know the real Bernie yet
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:36 PM
Feb 2016

But if he were running against trump in the general election, American air waves would be saturated with the sound of Bernie saying....yes I'm going to raise your taxes, yes I am.

That's just for starters. I don't think I've seen a dumber political move like that since Mondale.

It will get the same results today. A republican landslide.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. Bernie also wants to reduce military spending and get rid of the fat in government.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:53 PM
Feb 2016

He is a thrifty man and has lived reasonably well on far less money than the Clintons.

I think people will like that fact.

Bernie is going to raise our taxes and eliminate our insurance premiums. Trust me. That is a good deal.

I lived in Europe and had single payer insurance. It is a good deal.

Americans will pay more in taxes but save a lot in the long run because they won't pay health insurance premiums.

If that is too complicated for Americans to understand, then they are getting what they deserve: exorbitantly high health insurance premiums plus punitive co-pays.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. Trotting out that old, worn out shibboleth?
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:50 PM
Feb 2016

McGovern did not have near the popular support that Bernie does.
This is a much different era than when McGovern ran.
The Democratic Party (back then) was not complicit in the destruction of the Working Class,
didn't Bail Out Wall Street and let Main Street rot,
the wealth disparity was not nearly as obscene as now,
and people are mad at Wall Street and their Socialism for the RICH enablers in the Democratic Party.

"Socialism" is no longer the boogeyman under the bed,
and can be easily countered by pointing out that Wall Street and the 1% have been enjoying all the benefits of (gasp) Socialism without paying for it.

You are not looking at an election.
You are seeing a movement that did not begin with Bernie, and will not end without him.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. No. He is not McGovern.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 06:05 PM
Feb 2016

McGovern ran in 1972 against a sitting president.

McGovern was nominated by a broken Democratic Party, broken by the loss in 1968 when Humphrey ran, when the Democratic Party was divided by racism and a struggle between pro- and anti-war factions.

Bernie is not at all like McGovern.

I campaigned for McGovern. I know that history.

Look up Chicago, Democratic Convention, 1968.

Per Wikipedia:

. . . .

The convention was held during a year of violence, political turbulence, and civil unrest, particularly riots in more than 100 cities[3] following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. on April 4.[4] The convention also followed the assassination of Democratic presidential hopeful Senator Robert F. Kennedy of New York, on June 5.[5] Both Kennedy and Senator Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota had been running against the eventual Democratic presidential nominee, Vice President Hubert Humphrey.

. . . .

In 1968 the Democratic Party was divided. Senators Eugene McCarthy and Robert F. Kennedy had entered the campaign in March, challenging Johnson for the Democratic nomination. Johnson, facing dissent within his party, had dropped out of the race on March 31.[6] Vice President Hubert Humphrey then entered into the race, but did not compete in any primaries, compiling his delegates in caucus states that were controlled by party leaders. After Kennedy's assassination on June 5, the Democratic Party's divisions grew.[5] At the moment of Kennedy's death the delegate count stood at Humphrey 561.5, Kennedy 393.5, McCarthy 258.[7] Kennedy's murder left his delegates uncommitted.

When it came to choosing a candidate, on one side stood supporters of Senator McCarthy, who ran a decidedly anti-war campaign and who was seen as the peace candidate.[8] On the other side was Vice President Humphrey, who was seen as the candidate who represented the Johnson point of view.[9] In the end, the Democratic Party nominated Humphrey. Even though 80 percent of the primary voters had been for anti-war candidates, the delegates had defeated the peace plank by 1,567¾ to 1,041¼.[10] The perceived cause of this loss was the result of Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley, and President Johnson pulling strings behind the scenes.[10] Humphrey, even though he had not entered a single primary, had won the Democratic nomination, and went on to lose the election to the Republican Richard Nixon.[11]

(more)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention

The turmoil and the heavy-handedness of the Democratic National Committee in 1968 weakened the support for the Party from the grassroots. The grassroots as today wanted real change and leadership from their Party and got shoved away and snubbed.

It was a terrible scene in 1968.

The 1968 turmoil in the Democratic Party weakened our Party. We had not recovered by 1972. And then McGovern chose as his vice president, Thomas Eagleton who had been treated for some emotional problem, if I remember correctly, depression. McGovern's campaign which was being supported by a party that had lost Martin Luther King, Robert F. Kennedy and the 1968 election and had been divided, deeply divided just four years earlier, was dealt that last blow by the gossip and scandal about Eagleton.

Nixon of course used racism in 1968 and especially 1972 to insure that the Southern states supported his Republican ticket. That was the time that the Southern Democrats started voting Republican. You have probably heard of Nixon's Southern Strategy.

So there you have it.

It's up to the Democratic Party to be sure to be more inclusive with regard to the Bernie supporters who represent the left-wing of the Party. We shall see whether there is still room for us Bernie supporters (I am a life-long Democrat and have worked on so many campaigns) in the Democratic Party if Hillary is nominated.

If there isn't and if we are not better treated than we have been under the Obama administration, I do not think the future looks good for the Democratic Party.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
26. 63% of eligible voters did not vote in 2014. Sanders is mobilizing them
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:04 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton doesn't have a prayer of doing likewise.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
16. Let's blame the politician and not the voter.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

HRC owns her reputation and distrust. It doesn't take a huge IQ or binoculars to realize she is in the tank for the wealthy. The tired "She isn't AS evil as the GOP" is little to no consolation.

It is about time people got angry and quit "settling". Get out and demand better. She cannot take the public for granted and she deserves a wake up call. 3:00 am and the public is PO-ed at the dirty tricks, triangulation, and no seat at the table.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. I, personally, feel responsible for my children and grandchildren.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:50 PM
Feb 2016

I will not vote for Hillary although I will vote for every other Democrat on the ballot.

I have heard the threat of a fascist on the other side so many times.

This time I am not falling for it. It's Bernie or a blank on my ballot for president.

I repeat that I will gladly vote for all of the other Democrats on my ballot.

I like Obama very much. But who did he appoint as his closest aide when he got into office?

Rahm Emmanuel. A man of sleazy morals.

I want a president who cares about people. That's Bernie, not Hillary.

I do not like Hillary.

I will not vote for Hillary under any circumstance. We can do better than Hillary Clinton.

klook

(12,157 posts)
21. "Most poor people are not lazy."
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:42 PM
Feb 2016
"They are not black. They are not brown. They are mostly White and female and young. But whether White, Black or Brown, a hungry baby's belly turned inside out is the same color -- color it pain; color it hurt; color it agony.

Most poor people are not on welfare. Some of them are illiterate and can't read the want-ad sections. And when they can, they can't find a job that matches the address. They work hard everyday.

I know. I live amongst them. I'm one of them. I know they work. I'm a witness. They catch the early bus. They work every day."

- Rev. Jesse Jackson, 1988 Democratic National Convention address, Atlanta, GA - 7/19/88

One of the most moving speeches I've ever heard.

Jesse Jackson had a "one-note" campaign, too. That note was Equal Rights for All. I'm so proud that Bernie supported Jackson's candidacy when so few did.
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