Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:12 PM Feb 2016

Tom Toles: Hillary Clinton will be elected president today

Donald Trump will win Iowa today and go on to run the table through the rest for the primary season. He will become the Republican nominee and receive a very surprising amount of craven, groveling, desperate support from what’s left of his shattered party. But it will only be the waystop to electoral defeat and disaster in November.

He will lose to Hillary Clinton, who will be our next president, like it or not. She will do well enough in Iowa today to overcome Sanders’ upcoming win in New Hampshire, and then become the Democratic nominee. She will go on to crush Trump in the general and likely lead a ticket that retakes the Senate for the Democrats.

I don’t see at this point any need to pretend otherwise. The forces in play are pretty clear right now and there is no particular reason not to simply say it outright.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2016/02/01/hillary-clinton-will-be-elected-president-today/

16 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. Other than the fact she doesn't crush Trump in a GE matchup,
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

I suppose it could happen.

I hope not.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. Such absolute predictions are doomed to fail. Bookmarking to revisit in a couple months.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

When the primary will likely continue without a clear winner in both parties.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
4. The forces in play are pretty clear right now
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:15 PM
Feb 2016

That's why so many of us support Sanders and oppose the Inevitable One. If Toles is right then we face four years of "same old, same old"

When was the last time you heard any candidate promise that they would not raise taxes?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. I agree with him on HRC, as to T-rump
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

I have my doubts. It has been said that first time caucus goers might bring him over the top, but, church goers may have a say in that outcome. Cruz, Rubio, even Jebbie may have a shot.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
8. I'm optimistic ... I want to celebrate ... but we can't afford to take anythin for granted!
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

GO HILLARY!!

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
9. Declarative statements in politics are not based in fact.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

Even Hillary herself would laugh at this column. Bernie supporters who spout such nonsense (probably H.A. Goodman and the like) are delusional as well. This guy has the audacity to not only predict both the Iowa results in both parties tonight, but then go on to predict the winners of the rest of the primaries, and then go on to predict the results of the general election AND who will control the Senate in 2017. November is 9 months away!

I would put the probability of any of those things happening individually as pretty good actually. Hillary is the current favorite in the Democratic primaries, Trump is the current favorite in the Republican primaries, Hillary is the current favorite in the general election, and the Democrats have a good chance (although maybe not over 50%) to pick up the Senate this year with a strong top ticket performance. But the probability of all those things happening exactly like he says? NOT GREAT!

"I don't see at this point any need to pretend otherwise" is not the statement of somebody who so much believes his predictions as it is of somebody who probably knows he's making shit up and that nobody will care if he's wrong. Nobody will remember this column, for the most part. He won't get fired from his job or discredited for being wrong about any of it, and in fact would not be discredited for getting it ALL wrong. How are all the pundits who predicted a Romney win in 2012 doing? They're all still happily employed.

This stuff is what really bugs the hell out of me about the primaries discussion on DU (and elsewhere) however. People don't even make cases for their candidates half the time, instead you just have some Hillary supporters claiming to see the future and some Bernie supporters claiming that all unpleasant facts are made up. We've gone beyond actual debate and discussion into a fantasy-land of political one-upsmanship.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
10. Tom Toles is a cartoonist....he just forgot to add the
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:37 PM
Feb 2016

cartoon drawing of her giving her scream speech

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
11. Well they can call the whole thing off then.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:38 PM
Feb 2016

At least those poor college students will be safely off the road!

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
15. "JUST SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP, THERE's No Point In You Voting
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:46 PM
Feb 2016

in your primary, you dirty Sanders hippies..."


Damn, I saw that headline and thought I'd somehow overslept until the general election!


Fuck you, WP columnist, I'm not even going to clickthru to this bullshit.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
16. I don't think Trump will be the nominee.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:50 PM
Feb 2016

The Republican party won't let it happen.
Hell, I don't think he truly wants to be president.
He loves the attention and lobbing bombs into the process.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Tom Toles: Hillary Clinto...