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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:50 PM Feb 2016

Bernie doesn't appear to be taking this "political revolution" thing very seriously.

Hillary has not only been raising money for herself, she's been raising money for Dems down ballot. Bernie hasn't raised a single penny for Dems down ballot. He's only been raising money for himself.

This is yet another indication that Bernie's "political revolution" is nothing more than talk. How does Bernie expect to have a political revolution when he doesn't have people he can work with in Congress and state legislatures across the country?

Politico in early January published an interesting news story comparing Clinton’s and Sanders’s fundraising operations. Clinton raised more than $100 million in 2015, and Sanders $73 million. But here was the key thing: In addition to that $100 million Clinton bagged for herself, she raised an additional $18 million for Democrats around the country.

The Sanders figure? Zero


Now maybe some of them didn’t want Bernie Sanders at their fundraisers, but that wouldn’t have prevented the Sanders operation from writing checks to progressive Democrats all over the country as a kind of down payment, which apparently did not happen.

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/28/the_bernie_sanders_revolution_is_probably_doomed_from_the_start/


Hillary is raising money for other Dems:

Hillary: "I'm not just raising money for myself, I'm raising money for Dems up and down the ballot."--to begin to take back the House and State Governorships

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1108424


How can Bernie have a political revolution if he isn't even trying to get friendly Dems elected to Congress and state houses across the county?

In my opinion, this is yet another example of how Bernie's talk of "political revolution" is nothing more than hot air.
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Bernie doesn't appear to be taking this "political revolution" thing very seriously. (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 OP
He was only able to find a worthy candidate to vote for when he himself ran. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #1
I know ... this seems quite odd to me. I can't quite figure out what's going on there ... or why. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #8
I think Bernie has a fundamental misunderstanding of how our political system actually works Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #9
Yeah. That's it. elias49 Feb 2016 #13
There are some good reasons for this which I posted last week Cali AikidoSoul Feb 2016 #26
It does matter. And it is part of his minimal party endorsements. Lucinda Feb 2016 #2
Not good enough Bernster. Tsk nc4bo Feb 2016 #3
Pathetic IGNORE - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #4
toodles Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #7
But Sanders supporters assure us he isn't all about being Camp Unicorn. KittyWampus Feb 2016 #23
blah blah blah blah hill is toast bowens43 Feb 2016 #5
He's not really a democrat kennetha Feb 2016 #6
He has actually campaigned for some. eom zalinda Feb 2016 #18
He campaigned for Democrats during last year's municipal election in Chicago Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #34
Here's an excellent answer to your question about Sanders, the DNC and raising $$ for them Arazi Feb 2016 #10
Very good! H2O Man Feb 2016 #12
Thanks! An excerpt Arazi Feb 2016 #17
That's not a reply to the FACT that to get Dems elected you need infrastructure in place KittyWampus Feb 2016 #25
The OP is about Sanders' lack of fundraising for down ticket Arazi Feb 2016 #30
Influence peddling: there's more than one way to do it. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #11
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Feb 2016 #14
Except to get Dems elected you need INFRASTRUCTURE which requires money. KittyWampus Feb 2016 #22
Of course money H2O Man Feb 2016 #24
So Hillary's going to share her bankster funds with the down ticket!! elias49 Feb 2016 #15
Hillary must really love Citizens United. elias49 Feb 2016 #16
Ummm......this isn't about money raised by 501c groups Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #19
Oh Cali-dem, go love you some status quo. elias49 Feb 2016 #29
Wasn't this discuss ad nauseum just about a week ago? Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #20
Well, when you can't win on issues, fall back on the party loyalty bullcrap. frylock Feb 2016 #31
It's called Demagoguery. And his supporters fall for it. KittyWampus Feb 2016 #21
Interesting. H2O Man Feb 2016 #27
+1 NurseJackie Feb 2016 #32
HRC trying to take focus off the Billionaire donors to her Super Pacs amborin Feb 2016 #28
"raising money" You mean getting corporate bribes. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #33
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
1. He was only able to find a worthy candidate to vote for when he himself ran.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

It's really not surprising he isn't supporting others in this cycle. The results can be seen in the fact he is a career politician with no coalition.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. I think Bernie has a fundamental misunderstanding of how our political system actually works
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:10 PM
Feb 2016

And that's pretty sad considering he's been in Congress for a quarter century.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
13. Yeah. That's it.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

How silly.
Does he need your help?
Oh, right. You're voting the wrong way...never mind.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
26. There are some good reasons for this which I posted last week Cali
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

Arazi has a good list of reasons.

Start with the amount of money Clinton has to spend from all kinds of sources that
are not part of the Sanders playbook.

Money.

Money.

Money.

When you have a lot less you tend to concentrate on the task at hand....like winning the primaries.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027569390

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
2. It does matter. And it is part of his minimal party endorsements.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think they expected the response they have had.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
23. But Sanders supporters assure us he isn't all about being Camp Unicorn.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

He's REALLY going to get things done if elected.

With Republican majorities.

The way that sellout Obama didn't.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
6. He's not really a democrat
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

Has he ever worked on behalf of the democratic party? I know he caucuses with them, but isn't that just a matter of convenience, not a bona fide commitment.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
34. He campaigned for Democrats during last year's municipal election in Chicago
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:08 PM
Feb 2016

Chuy Garcia and Susan Sadlowski Garza

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
17. Thanks! An excerpt
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

Snip


Sanders has not been invited to raise money in this way.

The first thing to do is to ask the Sanders campaign themselves what they think of the situation.  

"We remain happy to work with them," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said Saturday, when asked about joint fundraising efforts. "The party hasn't given us any dates for events.

This makes sense given the behavior of the DNC so far—preach equality and impartiality in public, but focus on electing Hillary behind the scenes. It echoes other situations where the DNC and the Sanders campaign have tossed the blame back and forth—like when Debbie Wasserman-Schultz claimed the Sanders campaign hadn’t shown the DNC the info they needed to reinstate VAN access, and then Jeff Weaver held up his cell phone (~12:30) to the camera to show an email he had earlier sent to the DNC with the info they needed. It also reminds me of earlier comments by the campaign I can’t place, where they implied that the ball was in the DNC’s court and they were simply waiting for instructions that never came. To say the least, the two are not on the same page. 

 If he were invited, its doubtful he could make it work.

Clinton and Sanders have very different styles of raising money. Clinton headlines many ticketed events where patrons are often asked to pay a high price—sometimes the entire $2700 limit for one ticket—for the privilege of seeing her speak. By contrast, all of Bernie’s rallies are free and open to the public, and the campaign does not ask for donations at them, instead relying on strong online donations. He doesn’t schmooze with the elites and ask them for money, or attend blockbuster ticketed events with top-billing. He says his message, and if you like it you can go online and donate. In fact, the few times Sanders has attended paid fundraisers, he’s been treated like a hypocrite. It’s doubtful Sanders could solicit cash for the DNC the way Hillary has. His constituents donate online, and as you can find in his reddit community, people make a point of finding the service with the lowest overhead that delivers the most cash directly to Sanders. It seems unlikely, especially given the hard feelings many supporters have towards the DNC, that Sanders has much hope of raising any significant funds for them. The establishment Dems who support Hillary are more likely to support the DNC and donate to it. Additionally...

Hillary’s donors have a lot more money to give.

The average donation to the Sanders campaign is always changing but hovers around $27-30 dollars. Clinton, by contrast, typically doesn’t release her average, no doubt because it would be significantly higher. Instead she focuses on statistics about what percentage of her donations were small, or what percentage of her donors were women (though Bernie has more female donors in total), rather than the money itself. But it can’t conceal the fact that Hillary's donors give more, and more of them give the maximum amount. When your wealthy supporters have already given the most they legally can to you, what more is there to do? Donate to the DNC, which, if Hillary wins the nomination (and even if she doesn’t, given the DNC’s favoritism), is like donating to Hillary a second time. If Bernie were to headline a fundraiser for this crowd, would there even be anyone in the audience who supported him? Bernie hasn’t just been avoiding this type of event with the DNC—he’s been avoiding it, period, refusing to raise funds for himself through elite fundraisers.  

Hillary has a super-PAC to help her out.

When you’re the wealthiest person in the race and you’ve raised more money than any other candidate, its not going to bring you down to take a little time and effort to raise money for the DNC. But its even easier to do this with the cushion of a super-PAC. Last quarter, Clinton raised $77 million and her super-PAC raised an additional $20 million, while Sanders raised $40 million and had no money from a super-PAC. While super-PACs cannot spend this money directly on candidate expenses, they are free to spend it on advertising. This saves Hillary Clinton $20 million dollars on ads that Bernie has to pull directly from his campaign funds. Since Clinton raised $18 million for the DNC, and since her super-PAC likely raised much more than $20 million this quarter, she’s got a big cushion for down-ticket fundraising that Bernie lacks. Her greater name recognition, and all the other advantages she enjoys, also give her more time to devote to party politicking. If Bernie takes time out of his schedule to fundraise for the DNC, it’s time he’s not spending meeting voters and getting his name and campaign out there. It’s also time he’s not spending in the Senate, where he has a full-time job and is one of the most active Senators. Its also important to note that Sanders has in fact helped other Democrats fundraise before, such as a letter for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee that helped bag $1 million. 

Snip

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
25. That's not a reply to the FACT that to get Dems elected you need infrastructure in place
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

and that requires money.

All that amounts to is a bunch of excuses.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
30. The OP is about Sanders' lack of fundraising for down ticket
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

If you'd like to make an OP about infrastructure issues that's fine but that's not what this OP is about.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
11. Influence peddling: there's more than one way to do it.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

Her "fundraising" is a mechanism to buy endorsements with other people's money.

H2O Man

(73,558 posts)
14. Respectfully disagree.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

Response #10 provides a solid explanation.

Senator Sanders's approach to politics is, obviously, very different from those who believe that money is the most important thing. I think that is a good thing.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
22. Except to get Dems elected you need INFRASTRUCTURE which requires money.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:43 PM
Feb 2016

Money isn't the most "important" thing, but it's what helps get Dems elected and builds and maintains the infrastructure.

Look around, Sanders supporters want to pretend their candidate isn't part of the "Establishment". What they really mean is they mostly want to waltz in and take over what others have spent decades building and fighting for.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
15. So Hillary's going to share her bankster funds with the down ticket!!
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:15 PM
Feb 2016

How nice that she's going to pull more folks into the corporate umbrella.
Oligarch lover!
More powe$ to you!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
19. Ummm......this isn't about money raised by 501c groups
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:35 PM
Feb 2016

You should probably do a little more research before responding.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
29. Oh Cali-dem, go love you some status quo.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

People without vision have no place in 21st century America.
Wat else is there to say?

The Citizens United decision is best known for allowing corporations to spend money from their general treasuries on political campaigns -- so long as they don't coordinate directly with the candidates they are backing. Nonprofits are corporations, too, and are subject to the same new rules as for-profit corporations. So, with the Citizens United decision, nonprofits were suddenly free to begin spending money to directly advocate for and against specific candidates. Previously, a group like Swiftboat Veterans could create advertisements that encouraged voters to consider the record of a candidate, as it did with 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, but could not urge viewers to vote for or against him. Citizens United changed that.

So tell me what you're not saying.

H2O Man

(73,558 posts)
27. Interesting.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

The word "demagogue," of course, comes from a Greek root, which as Malcolm X used to point out, translates quite literally to " a popular leader who guides the people."

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