I vote my conscience -- which allows for input from both the head and heart.

Hillary is the better candidate by far and will almost certainly make a better President.

It baffles me, but it's okay.

It's the "I won't support the person I'd really prefer" mentality that I am referring to.

Bernie is the better candidate by far and will certainly make a better President.



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That's just his crowing tonight at his win. It's hardly the first, or tenth, time he's made that vow.

HRC - supporting her Wall Street corporate buddies since God was a boy.

How anyone can think Hillary would be better for us than him is beyond me. I can understand people who back her because they believe she has a better chance of winning, but to say she's a better candidate - that's absurd, imo.

She already admitted she won't fight for $15/hour, single payer healthcare and tuition free college.

in 1981. His values were outstanding then, and have remained so consistently.

(I appreciate your posts on DU:GDP!)

I was still in school but what a small world!

I appreciate your posts too, in fact I just kicked and rec'd one of your outstanding ops.

He was speaking at a small college in upstate NY that I had previously attended. When I read that he was speaking there, I called my brother and said to get ready -- we were going to meet an important person. Because I was friends with the "activists" on campus, we were able to meet with Sanders, both before and after his presentation.

Years and years of town hall meetings and Brunch with Bernie prove he never lost touch with people and just because he's reached rock star status now doesn't mean he'll let it go to his head.

I'm still stunned by his popularity, never in a million years did I dream he would set the country on fire like he has.

He's a mensch!

considering entering the presidential primary, my oldest son asked me if I thought he was looking to make a statement? I said that I believed he was serious about finding a way to win the nomination and presidency. My first impression of Bernie was that he was a serious man. And everything I've learned about (and from) him since then has re-enforced that.

Then tell me if you still feel that way. Flight Logs Put Clinton, Dershowitz on Pedophile Billionaire’s Sex Jet

otherwise they'd get together and choose someone who'd be good for them

if we actually believed that we COULD change things, we would be an actual threat. As it is, things may well stay business as usual and everything will go smoothly for them.

It's not an either or for us, Bernie has better policies, no baggage and has consistently remained true to liberal values.

Hillary is a hawk who will follow neo-con foreign policies, is bought and paid for by Wall Street and can't be trusted to fight for us.

How "smart" is that?

So does my heart.

If someone truly doesn't think Sanders can win, why would they spend that time and resources supporting him? Especially when, as I believe, that any of our three candidates would make a great President?

There is such a thing as dreaming but most people don't dream about what they consider to be impossible.
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The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
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IMO your dreams are your common sense. They may not all come true, but you follow those and you're moving in the direction you want to be going. Multiply that by millions and you have a country moving in the right direction.

(I like that. It's kind of poetic. )

I do idiotic things sometimes but I'm not an idiot.

And I'm not trying to win anyone over with this post. I am venting.

I don't think that's a useful meme either, but knock yourself out.

Never Ever.

In fact, we're full of hope!

If it's rewarding it's gonna be bad for common folks.

I read somethings about puritan medical practice once, but I don't remember if castor oil was in their pharmacopoeia.

The only reasons one would vote for Clinton are extremely fantasy-based. Every single issue goes to Sanders.

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It's about Corporatist Oligarchs vs The Middle-Class

One of the Candidates represents the Oligarch 1% and One Represents Us the 99%.

That, is the choice.

Meanwhile, slowly and surely people need to be educated and wake up to reality that for too long people have been settling and voting against their best interests.

thinkers. They think like a spreadsheet. My daughter is like that. If you posed this question to her, she'd tell you every time she went with her heart she ended getting screwed.

That quote from Susan Sarandon, the 'fuck them' one.

Some of those people that are saying that Bernie can't get elected are scared. They don't see how he can get it done. They're broke, underemployed, underinsured, etc. And they're faith is all used up. They're teetering. Maybe Hillary looks safe to them. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean their fears aren't legitimate or they should be criticized and humiliated. And maybe her comment wasn't meant for them, but guess what, they heard it.

Head/heart means different things to different people.

I vote a combination of head/heart. I mean let's face it, if I voted with my heart I'd write in George Clooney.

I do agree with you that ideally one should vote with both head and heart.

But my argument is not based on how desperate or difficult one's situation. Personally, I have been well acquainted with hardship at various times and my own political beliefs were not affected one way or the other (except to hopefully be more empathetic).

I would say that voting for a person who represents your actual values and beliefs and goals for society is also in one's own self-interest. For example, having college way back in the rear view mirror, Bernie's proposals for college tuition doesn't affect me in the least. But I believe in it both for the sake of the kids of that age, and because it's better for society to have a well educated population..On the other hand, with Social Security approaching, his goal of making that a more livable level also appeals to my self interest.

thinks it's going to be Sanders v Trump in the GE.

I ASSumed they'd vote for Sanders, they're Liberals. They said I'm thinking Trump might not be a bad idea. I said WHAT?!? (scooby doo voice)

Here's how he broke it down--goes to your head/heart thing.

He thinks Trump is pandering and bullshitting with a lot of his rhetoric.

He said he's a business man so he's always going to do what's best for the business; the country in this case.

He will listen to all sides, look at all proposals and go with the best. So if the Democrats go with a single payer and have economist to back up why it's better economically for the country he'll go for it.

Same with other things like Colleges and such.

My friend doesn't believe Trump is really this ideologue he's playing to be. He's posed with Bibles, he's never talked about religion in the past. He's not a war hawk; he's just talking a good game.

He put a lot of thought into it. I was kinda stunned. As crazy as it sounds it's almost made sense.

Analytical thinker.

This was from someone who was heartbroken when Elizabeth Warren didn't run. Go figure.

Trump is a manipulated mean-spirited narcissist. I would trust him as far as I could pull his jet.

But I do think he a pragmatist and would jump on any idea he thought would achieve a desired result, without regard to ideology. He might be effective in that sense and actually do some good, in spite of himself.

Someone with those traits and a better character might be worthy of consideration.

But both my head and heart think that he's a loose cannon, and his willingness to adapt to the worst kind of bigotry is kind of scary.

Nice conversation! Thanks!

Btw...I didn't just pick Clooney cuz he's easy on the eyes. I agree with his politics. He's a good person.

Upon doing so the only conclusion is that Clinton is a corrupt pathological liar who is bought and paid for by corporations.

Many of us are analytical thinkers (nobody knows each others day jobs on DU). Many choose Bernie.

... uh ... nevermind ...

yes....

WIN, Bernie, WIN!

Fuck this shit, Democrats need to be stronger and braver than this.

"It sounded better in the original German" Molly Ivins re: Pat Buchanan

The story boils down to the idea that if enough people (or cats) believe in a dream strong enough, it becomes true.

Full of Neil Gaiman's stunning magical realism, but also a lovely little story.

From the description on Wikipedia:

It's frustrating, but I'm pretty sure that Hillary's campaign has tried to co-opt the "Vote your head" strategy because they know that's the only way they'll win, by sewing seeds of doubt.

Frankly, I've kept an eye to the Clinton boards out of curiosity and it blows my mind how far they go to defend her and slam her competition even when it's not rational. You can't post non-conforming thoughts in an echo chamber without getting the boot, so that's frustrating. This whole damn election has been frustrating.

Anyway, I'm crossing my fingers for the better candidate (Sanders).

Period.

My head and heart are with Bernie. I think higher of the American people than the DNC and their favored candidate.

Mine too!

From the OP

I have to talked to several women, and while they like Bernie, they find the prospect of getting to vote for a woman in the general election very enticing. I think alot of the older caucus voters will be siding with Hillary just for that reason. Can Bernie count on a high enough turnout of new caucus voters? Hmmm.

That said: Go Bernie!

If they honestly think she's the best candidate, okay. But its a quandary for some I guess.

Republican nominee. The Republicans will spend the year saying nothing other than, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, emails, emails, emails, impeachment, impeachment, etc.

The republican candidate will says this so often that people will believe it & not vote for her and many democrats will not come out & vote..

On the other hand, Senator Sanders will hands down beat any republican candidate because there is nothing they can say that will harm him.

My kids will have a better life growing up in a world where they don't have to go deeply into debt to receive a higher education, where healthcare is affordable and a right, where our country takes climate change seriously and works to protect the environment. So Bernie. Confused why he'd be thought of as "heart."

Like so much of drivel like "he doesn't have the support of group ABC", "he won't be able to raise enough money", "nobody will vote for a socialist".

It's all campaign rhetoric bullshit. Vote for who you like and let the mindf*&@ers go sit on their triangles.

But I choose Hillary... I guess thats my head doing that.

I understand being inspired or excited or energized sure. Love? That's a bit much.

The choice is obvious. GO BERNIE!

I am terrified of what could happen if Bernie is nominated. Dems count on a "savior" rather than doing the hard work to create a movement. Cons do that very well. It took them 50 years to undo the New Deal. And they have fascist tendencies. Keep that in mind when going with your heart. Had the country not been mired in the Great Depression, we'd have had no new deal.

"The New Deal produced a political realignment, making the Democratic Party the majority (as well as the party that held the White House for seven out of nine Presidential terms from 1933 to 1969), with its base in liberal ideas."

Sanders is not Reagan -- he is actually a qualified CEO, as he proved in Burlington. But there are parallels in terms of emotional resonance and effectiveness.

The GOP chose an inspiring leader over a qualified technocratic hack, and managed to push the pendulum to the right very quickly as a result.

Reagan inspired people but before the election he was treated by many as a laughingstock. Lo and behold, he was a good leader, and led to the undoing of the New Deal in much less that 50 years.

In order to push it in the opposite discretion, we ought to not repeat the "pragmatic" approach that ultimaty has also helped to advance the Reagan Revolution.

I just don't see a Capitalist system be overturned by Bernie Sanders or any other politician. And that is the goal. FDR saved it from itself. Also, Reagan laid way for all the moneyed interests and Citizens United which FDR didn't have to overcome.

But I still hope you're right and my night terrors are in vain.

We are told we can't do something and believe it, thinking others know better, so we give up on our dreams and ideas and resign ourselves to obedience. It's really difficult to overcome this societal messaging and move forward with confidence into the unknown, believing that we will be ok no matter what they say.

I see all of this changing though; collectively, and for me personally. There are so many people now who are ignoring the limitation messages and choosing a different way. It's only when we do this, when we just don't care what they tell us anymore, when we thumb our noses in defiance, that we are free to make this country the way we want it to be.

Clinton will pick only corporate leaning people.

We chatted a bit, and I told her why I was caucusing for Sanders, and I think I may have helped her make her decision to do so, as well.

I don't think it's quite what they mean but ........ Saying Hillary has no heart or saying Bernie hasn't thought things through is just pure silliness.

Even what I think they are trying to say is they LOVE a candidate they don't think can win. I don't know about "love" but we SHOULD be voting for candidates that speak to our higher nature. The entire job description, apart from making the tough calls when it comes to military actions, is to set the tone and direction for our country. It's his job to take credit when it works, and take the blame when it doesn't.

So when they say their's a disconnect between feelings and brains that baffles me. As soon as a candidate for POTUS makes your heart sing....... THAT'S YOUR VOTE. Common sense that.

To vote for your heart ? to vote your conscience ?

ive always thought so ...

you do what you HAVE to do in the general if your nominee doesn't get the bid .. that's a given. all democrats should vote for whomever we select come general election time. that's just common sense.

I'm a Bernie supporter, and I can promise you if Hillary does get the bid ill most certain vote for her in the general... hopefully Hillary supporters can say the same

It's all head ...

can't imagine that changing.

at his funeral:

Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not.

has shown consistently good judgement and has a
vision as well.

My heart votes for the individual, who truly cares
about the people.

Both taken together= Bernie.

Nothing Hillary says makes my head agree with her.

Nothing Hillary says makes my heart yearn for her.

My whole being wants Bernie Sanders to be the next President of the USA.

They tell us 24/7 that what makes perfect sense to all of us is just too RADICAL for anyone else.