2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHawkeyes must Moonlight as Firefighters Because Tonight they Extinguished “The Bern”
http://steveleser.blogspot.com/2016/02/hawkeyes-must-moonlight-as-firefighters.htmlHawkeyes must Moonlight as Firefighters Because Tonight they Extinguished The Bern
In a state whose demographics favored Bernie Sanders in every way imaginable, certainly more than most other states, a state that was, along with New Hampshire, a must win state for Sanders, Hillary Clinton has pulled out the victory.
Sanders and his campaign will no doubt try to claim they exceeded expectations and were the underdog and all of that, but there is no reasonable argument they can make that they can pull out a win over Clinton or in the general election if they could not win in a state tailor made for him.
I listened to some pundits try and claim that because the result was close the race will go on. They're wrong. With Clinton beating Sanders in a state he should have won and needed to win, the race is over.
Sanders will probably win New Hampshire, and will likely win Vermont when that state comes around, but Hillary will run the table beyond that.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)when she ran against Obama.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)but that's about all I expect from this jack***.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)No matter how you try to spin this, Bernie has the momentum.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Momentum. Hillary had all the advantages but Bernie rose up.
Now, all of America will get to hear who Bernie is and what he's about. The more he speaks, the more he surges.
No need for spin here Steven.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)but not in the Shakespearean sense.
For he is not "noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an Angel! in apprehension how like a god!" In fact, he is quite the opposite.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Whatever gets you through the night.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)while also extinguishing a plausible third alternative in the process.
a state tailor made for him
A state that is tailor made for him would not be a caucus state, at least not at this point in the campaign. That requires a large staff on the ground.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)If this is their "A" game, it calls into question all that "electability" stuff.
Beyond that, given the solid trouncing Hillary is getting in Johnson County, can we finally acknowledge that she has a real fucking problem with Millennials?
cali
(114,904 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)And I even said that I'd have to watch how Sanders handles the campaigns in Iowa and New Hampshire before I made up my mind about him, should O'Malley withdraw. I'll be watching New Hampshire very carefully.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Last time I voted "strategically" in the primary was 2004, and I didn't like the way it turned out.
But out here we're, like, last or something anyway, so I don't hold out any great hope of having any real influence on the process beyond my donations and my loud internet complaints.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I hope (inshallah, seriously, inshallah) that the Presidential nomination is done at that point...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I hear ya, buddy.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)if only because my district is staunch red anyway. Even if it was, I couldn't put a vote for Hillary.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)49.8 to 49.6 is hardly "extinguishing" anything.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)get an answer.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)She did NOT win!! She's a liar!!! It's a tie.
But if writing this makes you feel better, enjoy
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)(I don't think I've ever posted that before.)
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)It's weak.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)You're something else
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Thanks Iowans!
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)thanks for the laugh
morningfog
(18,115 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Embarrassingly bad spin
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Hoo boy.
p.s. he also just said he's the only candidate "on the Democratic side" who doesn't get help from a SuperPac. Au contraire, Senator:
http://www.americancrossroads.org/
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Embarrassing. Shockingly poor propaganda
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)AOR
(692 posts)after blowing a massive lead in the polls your post sounds vaguely familiar Steven...
"We have destroyed a tank, a fighter plane, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."
--Baghdad Bob
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)here.
senz
(11,945 posts)saltpoint
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on stage claiming victory before the vote is even over.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Maybe cool it on the "goddam woman" stuff. Otherwise I think I'm with you.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)the "campaign staff" who declared her victory to the candidate, who purportedly is in charge of her campaign. Realizing that she can't control all events in the campaign, she is responsible for what happens. She spoke to the media after the declaration but failed to mention it. Likely on purpose.
I'll withdraw the wording of the assessment while reasserting that her behavior was presumptuous and unpresidential.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)Isn't that the blogger who claimed Hillary was a liar unfit to be President?
Didn't he say:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_080320_hillary_clinton_s_re.htm
Hillary gives a different opinion on the same subjects every couple of weeks depending on her audience and what she thinks it will net her. As evidence of this is now coming out and is going to be presented to the American people in the starkest terms, how can one be expected to trust her to do anything that she says she is going to do? How can one really know what she believes or intends to do about anything? The only things Hillary's experience seems to be good for is perfecting how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, engaging in the politics of personal destruction and other aspects of her ruthless pursuit of power that remind one of what a Karl Rove might do. That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee.
QC
(26,371 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Weep for the queen.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)DOH
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Response to stevenleser (Original post)
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nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Good job Berners, don't let someone else's wet drawers get you down.
ornotna
(10,807 posts)I've never seen one person blow that much smoke up his own ass. You are talented.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Last I checked, Cruz, Rubio and Carson scored 60% of the Republican vote. What, exactly, is it about Iowa's demographics that are tailor-made for a Sanders win?
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)And you aren't in any way helping your client.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Response to stevenleser (Original post)
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Punkingal
(9,522 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Bernie Sanders made a statement. When was the last time a race was this close? This is in no way over. Hillary has a really tough road ahead of her. I am getting my popcorn ready. I am willing to bet there will be plenty more nail biters in our future.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Better keep some crews out there, Hillary FD.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Bwhahahahahaha!!!
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)demographically and ideologically.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)as being the golden outsiders parachuting in to save America. That non-stop story will start fading, too.
cali
(114,904 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)about the long game. Iowa is not part of that. Bernie lost some mystique tonight since Iowa should have been a cakewalk.
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R B Garr
(16,975 posts)for snark like you're doing that has been an accurate representation of what was actually discussed.
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU POST?
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)You guys still organizing on that other nasty site?
(rhetorical question)
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Welcome to team Hillary!!
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)Take it somewhere else.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)She had all the advantages, and started out with a 61-percent lead over an unknown challenger. She had the money. She had the party establishment vote. She had her name.
That she couldn't manage to eek out more than a virtual tie against the cranky old socialist is a totally embarrassing humiliation.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)is a hack.
People get on H.A. Goodman a bunch on DU, but he really needs to read your linked blogger to learn how to become a real hack.
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amborin
(16,631 posts)think about it: All the major newspapers, TV stations, pundits, Super Pacs, DNC, etc. shilling constantly for HIllary, and slandering, marginalizing, and trivializing Bernie. And, yet, he tied her! The supposed inevitable candidate! Bottom line: Bernie won. Iowa won. American won. Bernie is on the road to the nomination!
John Poet
(2,510 posts)One of the first Iowa polls had it 69 percent Hillary to 7 percent for Bernie in Iowa.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Response to stevenleser (Original post)
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Buns_of_Fire
(17,194 posts)A candidate who's been running for over ten years, with PACs and money up the wazoo and the unquestioned adoration of millions of people, starting with a 50-point lead, with full support of The Party's bigwigs, manages to eke out a .2% lead over a relatively unknown guy from a little state.
What a blowout!
Personally, I'd be friggin' ashamed if I couldn't do any better than that, given the advantage I'd started with.
Quixote1818
(28,968 posts)Lots of good responses here, but you may have just won the thread!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Pretty much a dead heat in Iowa and what comes next? Well if the polls are right, what comes next is not 'probably' a Bernie win in New Hampshire, but an absolute landslide win in New Hampshire. So we head into Nevada (a state where the gap is closing all the time) with Bernie the name on all the medias lips.
The next few weeks should be fun.
longship
(40,416 posts)You are spinning faster than a Warner Bros. Tazmanian Devil.
How very special of you.
The caucus was a tie by any measure, not predicted by hardly anybody who were polling.
Spin is just another word for bullshit. Take that for whatever it's worth.
Who do you think you are? Stretch Armstrong?
My regards.
pugetres
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You're gonna have to explain the reasoning behind that statement to me.
That aside. Nothing was extinguished. The backdraft will catch you off guard if you aren't careful.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)But it doesn't indicate that Clinton "won" anything but a game of chance
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Bernie performed much better than expectations, compared to the corporate shill he's running against.