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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:42 AM Feb 2016

Hawkeyes must Moonlight as Firefighters Because Tonight they Extinguished “The Bern”

http://steveleser.blogspot.com/2016/02/hawkeyes-must-moonlight-as-firefighters.html

Hawkeyes must Moonlight as Firefighters Because Tonight they Extinguished “The Bern”
In a state whose demographics favored Bernie Sanders in every way imaginable, certainly more than most other states, a state that was, along with New Hampshire, a must win state for Sanders, Hillary Clinton has pulled out the victory.

Sanders and his campaign will no doubt try to claim they exceeded expectations and were the underdog and all of that, but there is no reasonable argument they can make that they can pull out a win over Clinton or in the general election if they could not win in a state tailor made for him.

I listened to some pundits try and claim that because the result was close the race will go on. They're wrong. With Clinton beating Sanders in a state he should have won and needed to win, the race is over.

Sanders will probably win New Hampshire, and will likely win Vermont when that state comes around, but Hillary will run the table beyond that.
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Hawkeyes must Moonlight as Firefighters Because Tonight they Extinguished “The Bern” (Original Post) stevenleser Feb 2016 OP
That's about 50,000 rpm on the spin meter. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #1
it's all about the math and from here on out it's against Sanders the way it was against Clinton KittyWampus Feb 2016 #23
SURE it is. And I'm Queen of the May. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #28
It's a damn centrifuge Roland99 Feb 2016 #32
and about 600,000 rpm on the BULLSHIT meter John Poet Feb 2016 #80
Idiot speak from the OP. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #82
It's unbelievable. Literally unbelieveable. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #90
You forgot the sarcasm thingy Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #2
Seriously? The Bern caught wind tonight. Avalux Feb 2016 #3
And, that's the key to his becoming President tecelote Feb 2016 #107
Within 3 - it ain't over yet FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #4
. Autumn Feb 2016 #5
You're amazing Armstead Feb 2016 #6
Shameless. morningfog Feb 2016 #59
A piece of work, he is. artislife Feb 2016 #101
As John Lennon once said DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #7
May be overstating things a bit here EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #8
Did the DNC send a check out with this release last week? NightWatcher Feb 2016 #9
Steve... a candidate with zero institutional support just stalemated in a ground-game-heavy state Recursion Feb 2016 #10
I heard Robby Mook put something like 90% of their resources into Iowa. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #21
Yep. I read that too. cali Feb 2016 #25
Clinton's campaign skills were always her weak spot to me Recursion Feb 2016 #26
I fully admit I'm a heart, not head, primary voter. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #47
DC's primary is some time in June; I only vote because it's essentially the city elections Recursion Feb 2016 #50
Yeah, there's not enough Maalox in the world to last me that long. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #52
I'm unabashedly a voter with my heart VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #112
WTF? cyberswede Feb 2016 #11
What time did you write this, Steve? Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #12
I'm guessing December. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #20
+1. nt villager Feb 2016 #34
I don't think you'll 840high Feb 2016 #64
More like June 2015. LOL John Poet Feb 2016 #81
I really like his posts from 2008! kath Feb 2016 #95
um, a few months ago he was down by 30 points dana_b Feb 2016 #13
LOL! Ron Green Feb 2016 #14
I would rethink that title. Bonobo Feb 2016 #15
bwaaa haaaaaa neverforget Feb 2016 #16
Trump out too. ucrdem Feb 2016 #17
hilarious. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #18
LOL!!!! You need an editor! morningfog Feb 2016 #19
Baghdad Bob, is that you? Oops, it's Beltway Steve cali Feb 2016 #22
Bernie graciously declares a tie. ucrdem Feb 2016 #24
He wrote this last week WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #27
It takes you a week to write four short paragraphs? It takes me 5 minutes. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #36
You need to spend a bit more time working on it. cali Feb 2016 #44
Well that explains it. n/t ljm2002 Feb 2016 #62
And it shows. frylock Feb 2016 #65
Slow down and proof it. morningfog Feb 2016 #68
Under the circumstances of Clinton's pathetic performance... AOR Feb 2016 #29
Some serious bullshit going on saltpoint Feb 2016 #30
It's all they've got. senz Feb 2016 #42
-tin eared celebrity- saltpoint Feb 2016 #48
Wtf? Dude. This reads really 1950s to me. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #104
I will, then. There's a line from saltpoint Feb 2016 #105
It sure was. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #106
Hey, that blogger sounds familiar. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #31
Quiet, you! He's a hot national pundit! n/t QC Feb 2016 #43
9 Fans even!! Autumn Feb 2016 #74
He got a better offer. 840high Feb 2016 #66
Ayup. AzDar Feb 2016 #111
You must have watched a different election. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #33
50/50. Your queen tied with an unknown newcomer. senz Feb 2016 #35
. . . . . . you eyes are brown HERVEPA Feb 2016 #37
Surely you must be getting dizzy. opiate69 Feb 2016 #38
! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #41
Lol! neverforget Feb 2016 #45
Spinning technocrats agree Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #84
Please! JRLeft Feb 2016 #39
LOL! nt cyberswede Feb 2016 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki Feb 2016 #40
Bernie is bad assed. Zero to tied with the inevitable front-runner extraordinaire. nc4bo Feb 2016 #46
Wow ornotna Feb 2016 #49
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #51
If they're not making a living wage, I imagine they moonlight at any number of things. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #53
oh god... you.are.ridiculous. Schema Thing Feb 2016 #54
... TDale313 Feb 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #56
What a steaming pile. Punkingal Feb 2016 #57
I will vote for either candidate in the GE, but c'mon... Really? AgadorSparticus Feb 2016 #60
There are still quite a few embers Berning. KamaAina Feb 2016 #61
Extinguished “The Bern”?! frylock Feb 2016 #63
I agree that Iowa was tailor made for him ecstatic Feb 2016 #67
Great points! Both Trump and Sanders lost their mystique R B Garr Feb 2016 #69
I hate to break this, but Iowa was great for Bernie. Momentum. cali Feb 2016 #71
Did you even read what Steve wrote? He's talking R B Garr Feb 2016 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #87
Uh huh. I don't think I've seen anything regurgitated R B Garr Feb 2016 #88
Question from the audience: Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #93
Ridiculous 1% arglebargle n/t Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #70
What petulant piece of drivel! LOL! nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2016 #72
I think it's funny that two of the Recs for this are from people currently in the time-out chair. Electric Monk Feb 2016 #73
I can see why Fox News likes you so much, you are a great fit for them. Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #75
Bernie also guest appears there. I guess you can't support him now. stevenleser Feb 2016 #109
It's not spinning, it's trolling hueymahl Feb 2016 #77
BULLSHIT. This was a loss for Hillary. John Poet Feb 2016 #78
That guy PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #79
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #83
Stunning loss for Hillary; Bernie came from 50 points behind, w/ the entire ruling elite against hi amborin Feb 2016 #85
Bernie came from about 62 percent behind, actually. John Poet Feb 2016 #98
Well *something* certainly chapped Hill and Bill's asses... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #86
.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #91
Well, let's see... Buns_of_Fire Feb 2016 #92
Is that a Mission Accomplished banner I see over this thread? Quixote1818 Feb 2016 #94
Ha! kath Feb 2016 #96
Beautiful! senz Feb 2016 #97
This thread is HILLarious. Fail. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #99
Well that's an interesting (and quite funny) reading of the situation.. Kentonio Feb 2016 #100
Spin, spin, spin! longship Feb 2016 #102
"a state tailor made for him" pugetres Feb 2016 #103
She won 6 coin tosses to "win". You can try to spin that Arazi Feb 2016 #108
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #110
This is asinine. alarimer Feb 2016 #113
Lmao! Is this from The Onion? n/t Kermitt Gribble Feb 2016 #114
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
23. it's all about the math and from here on out it's against Sanders the way it was against Clinton
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

when she ran against Obama.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
107. And, that's the key to his becoming President
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:08 AM
Feb 2016

Momentum. Hillary had all the advantages but Bernie rose up.

Now, all of America will get to hear who Bernie is and what he's about. The more he speaks, the more he surges.

No need for spin here Steven.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
101. A piece of work, he is.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:16 AM
Feb 2016

but not in the Shakespearean sense.

For he is not "noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an Angel! in apprehension how like a god!" In fact, he is quite the opposite.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. Steve... a candidate with zero institutional support just stalemated in a ground-game-heavy state
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:45 AM
Feb 2016

while also extinguishing a plausible third alternative in the process.

a state tailor made for him

A state that is tailor made for him would not be a caucus state, at least not at this point in the campaign. That requires a large staff on the ground.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. I heard Robby Mook put something like 90% of their resources into Iowa.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

If this is their "A" game, it calls into question all that "electability" stuff.

Beyond that, given the solid trouncing Hillary is getting in Johnson County, can we finally acknowledge that she has a real fucking problem with Millennials?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
26. Clinton's campaign skills were always her weak spot to me
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:50 AM
Feb 2016

And I even said that I'd have to watch how Sanders handles the campaigns in Iowa and New Hampshire before I made up my mind about him, should O'Malley withdraw. I'll be watching New Hampshire very carefully.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
47. I fully admit I'm a heart, not head, primary voter.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:57 AM
Feb 2016

Last time I voted "strategically" in the primary was 2004, and I didn't like the way it turned out.

But out here we're, like, last or something anyway, so I don't hold out any great hope of having any real influence on the process beyond my donations and my loud internet complaints.



Recursion

(56,582 posts)
50. DC's primary is some time in June; I only vote because it's essentially the city elections
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:00 AM
Feb 2016

I hope (inshallah, seriously, inshallah) that the Presidential nomination is done at that point...

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
112. I'm unabashedly a voter with my heart
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

if only because my district is staunch red anyway. Even if it was, I couldn't put a vote for Hillary.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
13. um, a few months ago he was down by 30 points
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:47 AM
Feb 2016

She did NOT win!! She's a liar!!! It's a tie.

But if writing this makes you feel better, enjoy

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
24. Bernie graciously declares a tie.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:50 AM
Feb 2016

Hoo boy.

p.s. he also just said he's the only candidate "on the Democratic side" who doesn't get help from a SuperPac. Au contraire, Senator:

http://www.americancrossroads.org/

 

AOR

(692 posts)
29. Under the circumstances of Clinton's pathetic performance...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:51 AM
Feb 2016

after blowing a massive lead in the polls your post sounds vaguely familiar Steven...

"We have destroyed a tank, a fighter plane, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."

--Baghdad Bob

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
48. -tin eared celebrity-
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:57 AM
Feb 2016

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on stage claiming victory before the vote is even over.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
104. Wtf? Dude. This reads really 1950s to me.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:51 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe cool it on the "goddam woman" stuff. Otherwise I think I'm with you.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
105. I will, then. There's a line from
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:00 AM
Feb 2016

the "campaign staff" who declared her victory to the candidate, who purportedly is in charge of her campaign. Realizing that she can't control all events in the campaign, she is responsible for what happens. She spoke to the media after the declaration but failed to mention it. Likely on purpose.

I'll withdraw the wording of the assessment while reasserting that her behavior was presumptuous and unpresidential.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,337 posts)
31. Hey, that blogger sounds familiar.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:52 AM
Feb 2016

Isn't that the blogger who claimed Hillary was a liar unfit to be President?


Didn't he say:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_080320_hillary_clinton_s_re.htm

Hillary gives a different opinion on the same subjects every couple of weeks depending on her audience and what she thinks it will net her. As evidence of this is now coming out and is going to be presented to the American people in the starkest terms, how can one be expected to trust her to do anything that she says she is going to do? How can one really know what she believes or intends to do about anything? The only things Hillary's experience seems to be good for is perfecting how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, engaging in the politics of personal destruction and other aspects of her ruthless pursuit of power that remind one of what a Karl Rove might do. That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee.

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
46. Bernie is bad assed. Zero to tied with the inevitable front-runner extraordinaire.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:57 AM
Feb 2016

Good job Berners, don't let someone else's wet drawers get you down.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
53. If they're not making a living wage, I imagine they moonlight at any number of things.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:03 AM
Feb 2016

Last I checked, Cruz, Rubio and Carson scored 60% of the Republican vote. What, exactly, is it about Iowa's demographics that are tailor-made for a Sanders win?

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
60. I will vote for either candidate in the GE, but c'mon... Really?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:09 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders made a statement. When was the last time a race was this close? This is in no way over. Hillary has a really tough road ahead of her. I am getting my popcorn ready. I am willing to bet there will be plenty more nail biters in our future.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
69. Great points! Both Trump and Sanders lost their mystique
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:00 AM
Feb 2016

as being the golden outsiders parachuting in to save America. That non-stop story will start fading, too.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
76. Did you even read what Steve wrote? He's talking
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:16 AM
Feb 2016

about the long game. Iowa is not part of that. Bernie lost some mystique tonight since Iowa should have been a cakewalk.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #76)

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
88. Uh huh. I don't think I've seen anything regurgitated
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:57 AM
Feb 2016

for snark like you're doing that has been an accurate representation of what was actually discussed.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
73. I think it's funny that two of the Recs for this are from people currently in the time-out chair.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:07 AM
Feb 2016

You guys still organizing on that other nasty site?

(rhetorical question)

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
78. BULLSHIT. This was a loss for Hillary.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

She had all the advantages, and started out with a 61-percent lead over an unknown challenger. She had the money. She had the party establishment vote. She had her name.

That she couldn't manage to eek out more than a virtual tie against the cranky old socialist is a totally embarrassing humiliation.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
79. That guy
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:20 AM
Feb 2016

is a hack.

People get on H.A. Goodman a bunch on DU, but he really needs to read your linked blogger to learn how to become a real hack.

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

amborin

(16,631 posts)
85. Stunning loss for Hillary; Bernie came from 50 points behind, w/ the entire ruling elite against hi
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:32 AM
Feb 2016

think about it: All the major newspapers, TV stations, pundits, Super Pacs, DNC, etc. shilling constantly for HIllary, and slandering, marginalizing, and trivializing Bernie. And, yet, he tied her! The supposed inevitable candidate! Bottom line: Bernie won. Iowa won. American won. Bernie is on the road to the nomination!

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
98. Bernie came from about 62 percent behind, actually.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:07 AM
Feb 2016

One of the first Iowa polls had it 69 percent Hillary to 7 percent for Bernie in Iowa.

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Buns_of_Fire

(17,194 posts)
92. Well, let's see...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:47 AM
Feb 2016

A candidate who's been running for over ten years, with PACs and money up the wazoo and the unquestioned adoration of millions of people, starting with a 50-point lead, with full support of The Party's bigwigs, manages to eke out a .2% lead over a relatively unknown guy from a little state.

What a blowout!

Personally, I'd be friggin' ashamed if I couldn't do any better than that, given the advantage I'd started with.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
100. Well that's an interesting (and quite funny) reading of the situation..
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:13 AM
Feb 2016

Pretty much a dead heat in Iowa and what comes next? Well if the polls are right, what comes next is not 'probably' a Bernie win in New Hampshire, but an absolute landslide win in New Hampshire. So we head into Nevada (a state where the gap is closing all the time) with Bernie the name on all the medias lips.

The next few weeks should be fun.

longship

(40,416 posts)
102. Spin, spin, spin!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:27 AM
Feb 2016


You are spinning faster than a Warner Bros. Tazmanian Devil.

How very special of you.

The caucus was a tie by any measure, not predicted by hardly anybody who were polling.

Spin is just another word for bullshit. Take that for whatever it's worth.

Who do you think you are? Stretch Armstrong?

My regards.

 

pugetres

(507 posts)
103. "a state tailor made for him"
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:28 AM
Feb 2016

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You're gonna have to explain the reasoning behind that statement to me.

That aside. Nothing was extinguished. The backdraft will catch you off guard if you aren't careful.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
108. She won 6 coin tosses to "win". You can try to spin that
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 06:47 AM
Feb 2016

But it doesn't indicate that Clinton "won" anything but a game of chance

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
113. This is asinine.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 09:51 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie performed much better than expectations, compared to the corporate shill he's running against.

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