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Matariki

(18,775 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:15 AM Feb 2016

If both candidates get the same number of delegates

where does the idea of 'winning' come in? I'm fuzzy on this? If either one 'wins' the percentage by a fraction of a percent but both get 22 delegates - is the 'winning' just symbolic?

Thanks. I'm fuzzy on the Caucus thing.

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If both candidates get the same number of delegates (Original Post) Matariki Feb 2016 OP
I think that's something the media decides. They already decide who can be in the debates. nt valerief Feb 2016 #1
So in other words it's symbolic Matariki Feb 2016 #3
Well, I think the results determine the delegates they get. nt valerief Feb 2016 #7
This happens every contested Iowa caucus, and it's mostly just a "narrative" thing Recursion Feb 2016 #2
Thanks. That's what I thought. Matariki Feb 2016 #4
No, Obama had the most Iowa delegates. askew Feb 2016 #5
That's tomorrow's narrative WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #12
They don't quite get the same Lucinda Feb 2016 #6
You're counting the super delegates? Matariki Feb 2016 #8
Yes TexasBushwhacker Feb 2016 #10
Well, that can change ;-) Matariki Feb 2016 #11
Indeed it can TexasBushwhacker Feb 2016 #14
I started to respond earlier and we had to shift gears here Lucinda Feb 2016 #15
Media should know better than to include Superdelegates. They are irrelevant at this point. askew Feb 2016 #13
Same number of delegate won tonight ...? earthside Feb 2016 #9

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. This happens every contested Iowa caucus, and it's mostly just a "narrative" thing
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:17 AM
Feb 2016

For that matter I think HRC actually ended up with more delegates from Iowa in 2008 when everything shook out (the people elected tonight then go on to another statewide round of voting in a month or two IIRC). But if you tally up the votes and see what would have happened if Iowa had a primary, then you can construct a narrative on that.

askew

(1,464 posts)
5. No, Obama had the most Iowa delegates.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:20 AM
Feb 2016

He tied Hillary in NH and won delegate count in NV and SC as well.

The media narrative is going to be a tie. It's too close and the media was laughing at Hillary's team & surrogates trying to spin it as a victory for her team.

Media has been getting comments from Dem establishment who are saying this tie is a big problem for Hillary. She should have had no problems beating a Democratic Socialist like Bernie.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,214 posts)
14. Indeed it can
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:39 AM
Feb 2016

It's easy to endorse the assumed "winner". Now that Sanders looks more viable, I expect some to cross over. However, I would hate to think that the nominee ends up being chosen by the superdelegates. It's just so undemocratic.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
15. I started to respond earlier and we had to shift gears here
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:44 AM
Feb 2016

and track down a missing cat. When I came back, I lost track of where I was posting. We live right by a national park, and get a lot of wildlife in our neighborhood. The bears and deer come through day and night, but we think coyotes are back in the area, and we are careful with the cats once it starts to get dark. The coyotes are still people shy around here, so they hunt at night. I heard a horrible snarl a few nights ago while my fella was outside, and he saw something chasing a large cat. As soon as he yelled it took off fast. So we are skittish right now!

Yes, the number does include the handful of supers in the 52 total. I am by nature a one vote, one person fan, but I finally get the super delegate process. These "outsiders" come in and make use of the people working at the state level of the party, and the super delegates are one way to reward candidates that are actively working on down ticket fund raising etc. I'm sure the process can be exploited in some ways, at its heart I think it was meant to give the states some extra control.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
9. Same number of delegate won tonight ...?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 01:24 AM
Feb 2016

It's a tie.

Neither 'win' in a technical sense.

But symbolically it is clear -- with virtually no Democratic Party and establishment support, Sanders matches the overwhelming institutional favorite.

That is a victory of historical proportions.

It happens in politics all the time.

Bill Clinton was the "come-back kid" for placing second in New Hampshire in 1992.

Eugene McCarthy lost to write-in Pres. Johnson in New Hampshire in 1968 and ended Johnson's political career.

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