2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf both candidates get the same number of delegates
where does the idea of 'winning' come in? I'm fuzzy on this? If either one 'wins' the percentage by a fraction of a percent but both get 22 delegates - is the 'winning' just symbolic?
Thanks. I'm fuzzy on the Caucus thing.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)For that matter I think HRC actually ended up with more delegates from Iowa in 2008 when everything shook out (the people elected tonight then go on to another statewide round of voting in a month or two IIRC). But if you tally up the votes and see what would have happened if Iowa had a primary, then you can construct a narrative on that.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)He tied Hillary in NH and won delegate count in NV and SC as well.
The media narrative is going to be a tie. It's too close and the media was laughing at Hillary's team & surrogates trying to spin it as a victory for her team.
Media has been getting comments from Dem establishment who are saying this tie is a big problem for Hillary. She should have had no problems beating a Democratic Socialist like Bernie.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Your last paragraph
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Right now Iowa has Clinton with 28 - Bernie 21 - Uncommitted 2
Lots for each though!
Matariki
(18,775 posts)are they included in the 52 Iowa delegates?
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)There are only 44 elected delegates, plus 8 supers who are committed to HRC at this time.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)It's easy to endorse the assumed "winner". Now that Sanders looks more viable, I expect some to cross over. However, I would hate to think that the nominee ends up being chosen by the superdelegates. It's just so undemocratic.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)and track down a missing cat. When I came back, I lost track of where I was posting. We live right by a national park, and get a lot of wildlife in our neighborhood. The bears and deer come through day and night, but we think coyotes are back in the area, and we are careful with the cats once it starts to get dark. The coyotes are still people shy around here, so they hunt at night. I heard a horrible snarl a few nights ago while my fella was outside, and he saw something chasing a large cat. As soon as he yelled it took off fast. So we are skittish right now!
Yes, the number does include the handful of supers in the 52 total. I am by nature a one vote, one person fan, but I finally get the super delegate process. These "outsiders" come in and make use of the people working at the state level of the party, and the super delegates are one way to reward candidates that are actively working on down ticket fund raising etc. I'm sure the process can be exploited in some ways, at its heart I think it was meant to give the states some extra control.
askew
(1,464 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)It's a tie.
Neither 'win' in a technical sense.
But symbolically it is clear -- with virtually no Democratic Party and establishment support, Sanders matches the overwhelming institutional favorite.
That is a victory of historical proportions.
It happens in politics all the time.
Bill Clinton was the "come-back kid" for placing second in New Hampshire in 1992.
Eugene McCarthy lost to write-in Pres. Johnson in New Hampshire in 1968 and ended Johnson's political career.