about 25 minutes ago CNN said that was settled and they only had 12 precincts still out. Did I mishear that? I was in and out of the room.

There was plenty of talk about Sanders pulling closer. The fact that it was so close took the bragging rights and bounce out of things for both candidates. Tonight really didn't change much. Hillary won Iowa by the skin of her teeth when she came in 3rd in 2008 and Bernie pulled in white folks in great numbers but still has a problem with blacks and latinos. I think Bernie might have got more of a boost from tonight if he wasn't leading in NH so well. It's not really much of a surprise that he has got the liberal white vote. If he can pull these results in SC then that would be a game change. Tonight was just status quo. Well for Bernie and Hillary fans. We, MOM fans got our throats cut.

First, MoM was a great candidate. Not his year. Happens to the best of them.

That being said, two things.
This was not expected, planned, thought about or talked about. Bernie Sanders in a tie or even winning, was is stark contrast to every media outlet, pundit, talking head and partisan hack.
Second, I hate this "Sanders is a racist" and cannot win with people of color dog whistles. Its getting old. Set it down and leave it where you left it.

Have a nice night!

For better or worse minorities just aren't as taken with "Feeling the Bern" as white liberals are so far. That is all I'm saying. It could change but it hasn't in the past 6 months Bernie has been running and he has less than a month to move the needle by like 50 points in SC. Possible but highly unlikely.

Bernie Sanders has been committed to equal rights for Blacks and Latinos his entire life.
here: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s

He has a 100% rating from the NAACP for 2014 (most recent rating. Based on my averaging, it appears to be a 95% lifetime but I could be off) https://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/27110/bernie-sanders#.VrBgdX0rLnB

I will give you the messaging has been clumsy. It has not been been carried to the people in the best way to get his message across. I know he is really working hard to address their concerns and show he is in their corner.

I hope he does well in South Carolina but I don't expect he will win. Serious gains and a good showing will be a big boost for him.

Thanks for the conversation. Wasn't trying to be rude, just tired. Have a good night Happenstance24!

I think polling has been shown to be inaccurate for a while and only pay attention when its more than a 10% lead because of landlines vs cell...... Iowa has always been screwy historically in predictions vs outcome going back to the 90s.

Anyway .......Since I haven't been following the republican polling data nor pundit predictions on their primary I wonder if they were anymore accurate than their inaccuracies with the democratic race.

Now that would be interesting data

The dynamics are just too loosy-goosy. Who shows up? It is all about that, and that alone.

So polling is not going to be able to measure such a messy affair.

I like caucuses, especially Iowa. It has a tendency to throw occasional monkey wrenches, which is a good thing in politics. I think. Common wisdom is often common rubbish.

with the Republicans? Some said Trump and some said Cruz.

I think N.H. primary data is going to be telling how
good these pundits and pollster are.

And those in NH take it very seriously, which is a good thing. If only Iowans took their caucus as seriously. But then it would be a primary election, in other words, not as much fun.

What it seems like to me is that all the above mentioned were leaning heavily on the polls and how they would turn out, and now that it's come to pass,that's all forgotten about. This is a huge upset, and victory for Sanders (it's not winner take all) he achieved something incredible, and is gonna ride that momentum. Many people finally heard him speak, cause they couldn't well not show his speech when he straight up tied Hillary. And these same polls that had him being a poor showing in Iowa have him taking New Hampshire, which means he should win in a landslide.

That's my take on it.

That's why he focused so much on social media and non-MSM messages.

And look at what he is saying right now:
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders

yes it is frustrating. but we have to keep on keeping on and keep our eye on the prize.
here's to bernie and his campaign and all of the caucus participants who got out there tonight and had their voices heard -
let's celebrate the victories and the truth, because of bernie and what he stands for and the enthusiasm and hard work of his campaigners & volunteers from all over the country - the iowa caucuses had record turnouts.

now, let's get to work. we can do this!

and this is not anything like the result he predicted,
so Nate was WRONG on this.

He should move on to writing ads for constipation medicine,
and use the product himself.

And that premature victory speech and media delivering it like it was real. It reminded me of FOX declaring Bush win.

to fool some people into believing it and hope that the lie becomes self-fulfilling.

that a candidate will win I always assume that their real intention is to use their media platform to boost that candidate to help them win. Very, very few just report the information anymore.

I can count the number of objective and balanced media figures on one hand, and they are both on the left. The difference between them and Fox & Fiends is that they admit that they are partial, but they do their best to give equal time both side's strengths.

With respect to the others, when they say "I think Bumstead is going to win", I hear "I like Bumstead, I hope he wins."

Trump 24/7, he would have won many more delegates.

FEEL THE BERN