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askew

(1,464 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:49 AM Feb 2016

Bernie & Hillary Supporters Need to Look Forward & Be Gracious After IA results.

Some advice from an O'Malley supporter who is seeing some silly behavior from both sides today:

It does no good for Bernie supporters to be sore losers and look for conspiracy theories on why Hillary got an extra delegate or 2. It makes you look crazy and turns off voters Bernie will need down the road. You aren't going to inspire voters to come out for you by wasting time talking about this stuff. A lot of people are just hearing about Bernie for the 1st time. Make your message about him one of positivity and why he should get their support not about this nonsense.

It does no good for Hillary supporters to try to turn a 2 delegate win into a huge victory or call IA a must win for Sanders. Neither one is true. No one buys Hillary barely beating a 74-year old Democratic Socialist with crazy hair as something to be excited about. She should have been able to bury him quite easily. She had the entire establishment in Iowa behind her, huge amounts of money and the top staffers and still barely squeaked by with a win. There's a reason they are talking about staffing changes post-Iowa. Team Hillary isn't happy.

The results were basically a tie. Both campaigns and supporters would be better off moving on from IA and talking about the next few states.

Bernie should do his best to run up the score in NH. He needs as much momentum as possible going into NV and SC. He also needs to ditch Cornel West ASAP as AA voters hate the guy because he's spent the past 7 years ripping apart Obama and saying disgusting things about him. Bernie has a real chance to upset Team Clinton but he needs to be smarter about who he is associating with. Obama is incredibly popular with Dem voters especially AA voters. Hanging out with a who's who of progressives who have spent years spewing bile at him isn't going to help in SC and other states with large AA voting blocks. You may agree with the bile they've been saying but 90% of the Dem party doesn't.

Hillary needs to stop taking selfies with celebs and doing vapid interviews with Jimmy Fallon, etc. You aren't making yourself any more likable with that nonsense. Stop bringing the celebs out to campaign for you. Young people aren't going to vote for you because Lena Dunham says so. Talk to young people and try to appeal emotionally to them and stop pandering to them.

Both teams could stand to take a page from Obama. He ran an almost-perfect campaign. After every state win or lose, he was gracious and inspiring. He kept talking optimistically about the campaign and our country and moved forward to the next state. His supporters didn't waste time refighting the last state but started working immediately on winning the next one.

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yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. I am sure Hillary is glad she did as well in Iowa
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:52 AM
Feb 2016

I think her focus is South Carolina. She will campaign in New Hampshire but she will lose there but what she needs to do is make the loss as small as possible.

askew

(1,464 posts)
2. According to the media, her team is very unhappy and talking staffing issues.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:00 PM
Feb 2016

The Clintons have always leaked like sieves and this sounds a lot like the talk after she lost Iowa last time. And Hillary didn't cover herself in glory last night at her speech where she didn't shake any of her supporters' hands, work the rope lines or thank her staffers/volunteers before tearing out of Iowa. That is unusual behavior from any candidate and definitely one that is happy with the results.

She should be focusing on keeping it competitive in NH and NV. That is the 3rd state and she needs to do really well there to stop any Bernie momentum going into SC. SC should be an easy win for Hillary. It's made for her and people were expecting her to win it easily in 2008 before the Oprah endorsement and Bill's meltdown in SC.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
4. if you want to "Look Forward & Be Gracious" then start by deleting your post
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:17 PM
Feb 2016

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your first two paragraphs are full on insults, most aimed at Bernie.

I like O'Malley, and I wish he were still in the race, but being angry at Bernie's supporters won't change his decision to step down.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
7. I don't see any anger in this post
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

The op simply makes some observations, he is not being "angry" at Bernie or Hillary. Making Bernie the victim all the time isn't going to work. He has proved he can take care of himself.

askew

(1,464 posts)
9. I'm not angry at Bernie or Hillary and didn't insult either.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:59 PM
Feb 2016

But, both Bernie and Hillary supporters aren't handling post-Iowa well and aren't winning over new supporters with their behavior IMO.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
5. idealist have difficult times in coping
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:26 PM
Feb 2016

lets not forget Nader supporters who rather give america GWB than sacrifice their "principles"....I love bernie, been following him for 30yrs but I also know he has no chance to win a general election staring down the barrel of the conservative machine that would destroy him in all battleground states....On the otherhand we were huge Obama supporters and worked on his Illinois Senate campaign as well as both of his presidential campaigns and find no issue with Hillary leading this country and will support her with the same level of support. We democrats/progressives/liberal would fail our country if we did not support who our nominee will be....eveytime we have done that over the past 5o yrs has led america down some terrible paths and its OUR responsibility to ensure it stops

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
6. When an individual, or a group, is repeatedly duplicitous, dishonest, and unethical,
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:33 PM
Feb 2016

it is foolish to believe that they will change their corrupt behavior.

Those who repeatedly engage in duplicity and unethical actions have no one to blame but themselves if people question the integrity of everything they do.

Conventional wisdom called people crazies when we challenged the 2000 election in Florida.

Go figure.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
8. That Election/Selection in Florida......!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

It started a movement! We need transparency in our elections.

But, because Obama won twice, overwhelmingly "against all odds," we unfortunately stopped questioning the ageing, hackable voting machines that are still installed in critical states, the Gerrymandering, the overturn of the Voting Rights Act by the Supreme Court that has allowed Repubs in states like mine to now to require Voter I.D. cards which are difficult for the poor and minorities, (plus older and rural folks without birth certificates or transportation to obtain) and restrictions on availability of early voting locations. There is no reason not to believe that in a close election that all the same problems of "Stolen Election 2000" and the voting problems in Ohio and elsewhere in 2004 won't rear their ugly head along with "dirty tricks." In a close Dem Campaign and in the General Election this will be very important going forward.

As you say, Zorra:

Those who repeatedly engage in duplicity and unethical actions have no one to blame but themselves if people question the integrity of everything they do.




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