I'm glad to be among those who can discern the difference between the numbers "28" and "21".

Go, Hillary!

was even determined.

The popular vote never mattered to her.

So she declared victory and hurried onto the jet without shaking hands, grateful to put the place and the people of Iowa behind her. A signature Hillary moment.

She lost far more political capital than she gained - another Pyrrhic war.

Thank you Botany
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141334345

Missing precinct scrambles to report Sanders won

Source: Des Moines Register

Votes from one precinct in Iowa were still missing Tuesday morning, and Democrats from that neighborhood were scrambling to find party officials so that they could report their tally: Bernie Sanders won by 2 delegates.

But the voters of Des Moines precinct No. 42 couldn’t find anyone at Iowa Democratic Party to take their phone calls. The party’s caucus hotline was no longer working. The party headquarters was locked.

“It’s important considering how close the race is. We need to be sure everyone has our accurate count,” said Jill Joseph, a rank-and-file Democratic voter who backed Sanders in at No. 42 Monday night.

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It quickly raised questions about whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa. Sanders backers called for Iowa Democratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals.

Read more: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/some-democratic-precinct-results-unaccounted/79682184/

Hillary didn't crush him? She must be rather mad at Iowa and she'll never go back.

It's not actually true until the convention and pending the other races, those minds will change.

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She lost more than she gained.

Approach to mislead.

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Bernie was up in most polls the week of, then HRC went up +3 day before in DMR poll. Pretty much expected a tight one.

I've been working my ass off in NH and I fully expect Sanders to carry that state no problem, some of us are a bit more realistic than others.

For example...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128080714

Not bad for a guy who was a year ago at 7% to Hills 68 % And your link doesn't change the fact that a few here expected Hillary to blow him out.

I'm not going to veer off into your parsing game.

whiners, oops I mean winners of any candidate ever.

by the end of the Iowa state convention. It's still a virtual tie. Clinton appears to have a slight edge, but that will really be erased by the time of the Democratic nominating convention. The numbers from Iowa are simply too small to make a difference in the outcome, and the difference between the two candidates' results are negligible in the mass of delegates to that convention.

Nothing wrong with ties, though. It certainly makes the rest of the primary season a little more interesting.

Hillary will still come out the winner, though. She will still be the Democratic nominee. I cannot see any other path to the convention, really.

"who" is counting those votes?

Pretty impressive considering Bernie started out in single digits.

Now he has vast name recognition in a state that was tailor made for him to win, and he lost.

Clinton has had an extensive ground game there for over a year, as well as the support from her super pacs. So, your candidate should have done A LOT better--and should not be locked in an essential tie.

Take it as you may, but you should recognize all factors not just the ones that seemingly give a boost to your candidate of choice.

That's why they had an extensive ground game, and, fortunately, it paid off.

Former Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin just said Hillary has the best Iowa caucus ground operation he has ever seen.

But I'm sure you know that.

It wasn't a Cruz/Trump margin by any means. I only wish Democrats voted by paper ballots so there wouldn't be so many lingering questions. Coin tosses . . . good lord.

Superdelegates can switch allegiance any time they please.

So it's not just super delegates who can switch but anyone can at the next level.

At the convention, pledged delegates are required to vote for who they are pledged for, but only for the first vote.

If the first vote at the convention does not get anyone over 50%, pledged delegates can vote for whomever they want.

They are free to vote for anyone at the convention. For example, John Lewis promised his vote to Clinton in 2008...and then voted for Obama at the convention.

Treating them as pledged delegates is disingenuous at best.

Lying liars lie together.

People keep telling me I should be upset. I don't get it. Clinton is in a better place in the cycle this morning than she was yesterday morning.

While predictions are difficult, especially about the future, what she sacrificed for a tie may hurt a lot.

Also, exit polling shows large GE problems. Clinton did abysmally with under 40 voters (like 80/20ish, depending on age group). She's going to need those voters to win the GE, and it's not clear how she can credibly change her message to fix that.

The other problem is this result breaks the claim of Sanders as extremist. Unless you want to claim half the party are extremists.

No clue how you would come to that conclusion. Sanders and Clinton both spent enormous sums of money.

There is no way of using exit polling to make a GE claim. None.

Can you point to where I called Sanders an extremist? That's a whole lot of all over the place.

Clinton won last night. I'm not sure why there is so much desperation to spin it as something else. One of the highest recommended ops during this primary was about how Sanders was going to take all fifty states.

I'm excited moving forward. Clinton is in an excellent position. When talking political elections, first is better than second every single time. That simply isn't disputable.

So she's going to do worse on super Tuesday for a tie in IA. Again, it's not clear yet if she's going to do worse enough to change the overall result.

She also spent a LOT more money than Sanders in IA. Her burn rate is very high, and it's not clear she'll be able to keep up with what Sanders can spend. Her allied PACs can help some, but that reinforces one of Sanders's primary arguments against her.

You are the first person I have heard state an equal delegate count.

Given the inevitable recounts and adjustments, it'll end up being 20-ish for both candidates.

There are people trying to add superdelegates to the pledged delegate count to get a more clear win for Clinton. Since it is impossible to actually lock-in superdelegates and they usually go for the national popular vote winner, this is rather disingenuous.

That they are have the same number of delegates. I don't think Common Core Math could even come up with that.

Love this.

Whether it's 22-22, 23-21 or 21-23 isn't going to change the national result.

...considering Iowa only sends 44 to the convention. Where does the extra 5 come from?

Supers? Because yeah, *those* never change their mind based on how the rest of the primary goes...

Only 44 delegates were up for grabs via the caucuses. Hillary won 22 and Bernie won 21. At this time, 1 delegate is still unawarded.

For all intents and purposes its a tie (especially when the candidate with the higher SDE is in that position because of the direct result of 6 coin flips).

I'm curious to know what the raw totals are....guessing DWS won't release those and for good reason...

Source, plz.

Because as I see, this is what seems to be true (I will not accept data from a map that saying Clinton leads & clinton trails):

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that few understand including the poor bastards who try to run the show.

that Bernie Sanders is a worthy and formidable foe. A decent and honorable man with a good message.