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brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:05 PM Feb 2016

Hillary and campaign are glum because they expected a groundswell of support for Hillary

Now they know there isn't any. If she were to face off against Rubio, she will likely lose that race, and last night's fluke split-hair "victory" over a so-called "fringe" candidate made them realize that.

Bernie, on the other, is exactly the kind of candidate on the Democratic side who could easily gather the kind of groundswell support needed to topple whatever character emerges from the GOP. He could beat either a freak like Trump or a "safe" establishment tool such as Rubio.

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Hillary and campaign are glum because they expected a groundswell of support for Hillary (Original Post) brentspeak Feb 2016 OP
Who knew losing was so great? Maybe Hillary should have thrown the caucuses, so she too could have DanTex Feb 2016 #1
The margin was a statistically insignificant aberration. John Poet Feb 2016 #4
It's not a sample, it's the actual vote, and Hillary won it. DanTex Feb 2016 #6
she won the coin tosses Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #11
Sure, but that's not what put her over the top. DanTex Feb 2016 #12
how many delegate equivalents Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #18
Less than the 4 she was ahead by in the final tally. DanTex Feb 2016 #20
Skinner has already done an OP that the "coin toss" didn't enter into her win. KittyWampus Feb 2016 #59
Please do start multiple OPs insisting on Hillary's "victory"! reformist2 Feb 2016 #13
It's not really "insisting", just stating a plain fact. DanTex Feb 2016 #14
She won the caucuses by a coin flip hoosierlib Feb 2016 #16
true Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #19
It's not easy to get the first response slot in 3 min. I admire your dedication. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #21
Thank you. So many Bernie fans have taken a keen interest in me personally. It's touching. DanTex Feb 2016 #22
they're consoling themselves with the old white man meme such as roguevalley Feb 2016 #58
It is sad but I believe some of the PTB in the Democratic party would rather lose corkhead Feb 2016 #2
Bingo..... Punkingal Feb 2016 #3
I guarantee Clinton's top donors prefer a republican to Sanders as president. arcane1 Feb 2016 #8
Guarantee? Darb Feb 2016 #15
Yes, guaranteed. arcane1 Feb 2016 #23
You do understand how our political system works right? Darb Feb 2016 #27
Typical response. It went right over your head, apparently n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #37
Don't flatter yourself, nothing you say Darb Feb 2016 #39
So much for asking the question honestly arcane1 Feb 2016 #40
That ROFL emoji is a white flag. Darb Feb 2016 #42
What are you, 12? If anything, you lost when you mentioned ponies. arcane1 Feb 2016 #44
Sorry, couldn't resist. Darb Feb 2016 #47
Wow. Record time to make numerous Ignore User lists. Congrats on closeupready Feb 2016 #50
Lots of Berners in an "ignore" bubble it seems. Darb Feb 2016 #51
I your opinion is so lovely kenfrequed Feb 2016 #41
No, it's not the same and I was not one of them. Darb Feb 2016 #43
Of course you weren't kenfrequed Feb 2016 #45
Hmmmm? Who was I before? Darb Feb 2016 #48
this nails it; very little daylight, imho nt amborin Feb 2016 #17
Thank you. Nice to know the smart people get it! arcane1 Feb 2016 #46
Oh, you're the smart people, it does help that Darb Feb 2016 #49
Clearly you have a crush on me. arcane1 Feb 2016 #56
The same PTB run the Conservative Wing of the Democratic Party also run the Republicon Party. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #24
Little known fact-oid: in 1972, Hubert Humphrey was caught on tape yucking it up with KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #28
Absolutely agree with that observation... ljm2002 Feb 2016 #32
And you know this because you had a dream or saw something in your corn flakes this morning? randome Feb 2016 #5
They expected a return for their money. They thought that's what retail politics means. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #7
LOL - Good one! - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #29
Rubio came in 3rd. I bet he's celebrating. I think he has the best chance of getting the GOP nom. thereismore Feb 2016 #9
That's a good point... ljm2002 Feb 2016 #33
Yes, it would have been nicer if Bernie had won this squeaker, but he has done amazingly well. thereismore Feb 2016 #36
NO NO SheenaR Feb 2016 #52
You're right. He so underperformed he should probably suspend his campaign right now thereismore Feb 2016 #54
"Glum vision" a much overlooked and underestimated talent. oasis Feb 2016 #10
The voters are showing their teeth this time around. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #25
They look happy to me. Liberal white state and Bernie couldn't seal the deal. BigGLiberal Feb 2016 #26
Bullshit. Had the coin tosses broken 50-50, Sanders would have sealed KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #30
reality check Robbins Feb 2016 #31
Accusing Hillary of stealing the win is Wrong. Where is your evidence?? Shame on you. riversedge Feb 2016 #34
Clinton had a 30 point lead in Iowa in December. Her campaign is considering a shake up. Avalux Feb 2016 #53
Hell, even I expected her to win by at least a good 8 points or so. arcane1 Feb 2016 #57
"Liberal white state" frylock Feb 2016 #60
They're glum because they put all their eggs in the iowa basket ram2008 Feb 2016 #35
She will probably spend some of her hard-earned millions if worst comes to worst, but not before thereismore Feb 2016 #55
I'm not glum! wildeyed Feb 2016 #38

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
1. Who knew losing was so great? Maybe Hillary should have thrown the caucuses, so she too could have
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:07 PM
Feb 2016

had some of that losing magic!

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
4. The margin was a statistically insignificant aberration.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

Twelve one-hundredths of one percent?

Not much of a victory for Madam Coin-Toss.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
12. Sure, but that's not what put her over the top.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

Kinda odd that neither Bernie fans nor the campaign complained about the coin toss tiebreaker until after the result. Hmmm....

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. It's not easy to get the first response slot in 3 min. I admire your dedication.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

It must be important to you. This was a victory for Sen Sanders no matter how you try to spin it. But I am sure that the Oligarchy with their unlimited funds will work harder to keep a progressive out of the WH. Too bad some Democrats agree with them.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
58. they're consoling themselves with the old white man meme such as
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:55 PM
Feb 2016

'if he can't 'win' Iowa being white and all, where can he win anywhere?'

I am patient. I am for the long game. I will jump and scream when she falls. Given her 'win' last night with what? several precincts not counted and now the ESTABLISHMENT dems there pulling a Republican Florida hanging chad trick meaning they never will be, I expect greatness from our man, Bernie, anyway. I don't mind their remarks since most of them are sophomoric so be patient, Berners. She will lose.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
2. It is sad but I believe some of the PTB in the Democratic party would rather lose
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

than give an inch in the direction of the left.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
23. Yes, guaranteed.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

Just look at who her biggest donors are and ask the question honestly. You'll come to the same conclusion.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
39. Don't flatter yourself, nothing you say
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

could go over my head, save some shit about rainbow ponies.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
44. What are you, 12? If anything, you lost when you mentioned ponies.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

That's a white flag if there ever was one

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
51. Lots of Berners in an "ignore" bubble it seems.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:47 PM
Feb 2016

Whatever works for ya. You guys should start Bernie Underground, sense you cannot abide by having anyone who doesn't whine in harmony.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
41. I your opinion is so lovely
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

Just like all those wonderful people that yelled at progressives for "wanting ponies" when we wanted single payer, or medicare for all, or even a goddamned public option.

Thank you so much just for being You, you special wonderful person you.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
43. No, it's not the same and I was not one of them.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

It was a jibe. Deal.

(Putting on kid gloves for future interaction)

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
45. Of course you weren't
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

You have a brand new shiny name to use here and everything!

Thank you so much for coming back and telling progressives about our desire for sparkly ponies.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
24. The same PTB run the Conservative Wing of the Democratic Party also run the Republicon Party.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

Goldman-Sachs made no bones about it that the Oligarchy will settle for Clinton or a Republicon.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
28. Little known fact-oid: in 1972, Hubert Humphrey was caught on tape yucking it up with
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016

Tricky Dick over McGovern's defeat by the latter.

You simply cannot make this shit up.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
32. Absolutely agree with that observation...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:56 PM
Feb 2016

...the PTB want nothing to do with real left / progressive politics.

Here's hoping we can continue to persuade more people as the primaries continue.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. And you know this because you had a dream or saw something in your corn flakes this morning?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
[/center][/font][hr]

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
9. Rubio came in 3rd. I bet he's celebrating. I think he has the best chance of getting the GOP nom.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

He would win over Hillary in the GE. Bernie is our best hope.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
33. That's a good point...
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

...in fact, I've seen several posts this morning bemoaning Rubio's strong showing in Iowa, and worrying that he will now have momentum and could become the Republican nominee and be hard to beat.

Yet somehow Bernie's virtual tie with Hillary just means he lost, get over it.

Cognitive. Dissonance.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
36. Yes, it would have been nicer if Bernie had won this squeaker, but he has done amazingly well.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

Everybody knows that he is the future of the party, given the age gap. He does have a lot of work to do in SC and not that much time to do it. He could use a boost from the AA community. I hope Sen. Barbara Lee comes out to campaign with him. She would be a great VP pick for Bernie.

I do expect preferences to start moving once again now that Bernie has the attention of the MSM. I think NV will be very important. He should really fight for that one.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
54. You're right. He so underperformed he should probably suspend his campaign right now
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

not to damage the "real" candidate before the GE.


 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
30. Bullshit. Had the coin tosses broken 50-50, Sanders would have sealed
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

the deal.

Give me a fucking break.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
31. reality check
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

Iowa is swing state.Bush won In 2004.Gore just barely won in 2000.A right wing republican was elected to senate In 2014.

Clinton basicly tied In Iowa and she had to steal it to even do that.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
53. Clinton had a 30 point lead in Iowa in December. Her campaign is considering a shake up.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

If you're buying that they're happy right now then you need a reality check.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
35. They're glum because they put all their eggs in the iowa basket
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

And only came out with a coin-toss tie.

Fundraising will dry out as most her donors will be maxed out before Super Tuesday. She won't have enough to saturate the airwaves, while Bernie's money spigot will keep flowing.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
55. She will probably spend some of her hard-earned millions if worst comes to worst, but not before
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

then.

Anybody giving money to Clinton is being had.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
38. I'm not glum!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

Winning is still winning, even if it was by just a smidge

I heard that Bernie and campaign are glum expected a groundswell of support from first time voters that didn't appear. And also because they lost!

Hillary, on the other, is exactly the kind of candidate on the Democratic side who could easily gather the kind of groundswell support needed to topple whatever character emerges from the GOP. She could beat either a freak like Trump or a "safe" establishment tool such as Rubio.

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