2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary and campaign are glum because they expected a groundswell of support for Hillary
Now they know there isn't any. If she were to face off against Rubio, she will likely lose that race, and last night's fluke split-hair "victory" over a so-called "fringe" candidate made them realize that.
Bernie, on the other, is exactly the kind of candidate on the Democratic side who could easily gather the kind of groundswell support needed to topple whatever character emerges from the GOP. He could beat either a freak like Trump or a "safe" establishment tool such as Rubio.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)had some of that losing magic!
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Twelve one-hundredths of one percent?
Not much of a victory for Madam Coin-Toss.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Kinda odd that neither Bernie fans nor the campaign complained about the coin toss tiebreaker until after the result. Hmmm....
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Did she get by those coin flips? More than .02
DanTex
(20,709 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)Bernie more than likely had more overall votes...
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It must be important to you. This was a victory for Sen Sanders no matter how you try to spin it. But I am sure that the Oligarchy with their unlimited funds will work harder to keep a progressive out of the WH. Too bad some Democrats agree with them.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)'if he can't 'win' Iowa being white and all, where can he win anywhere?'
I am patient. I am for the long game. I will jump and scream when she falls. Given her 'win' last night with what? several precincts not counted and now the ESTABLISHMENT dems there pulling a Republican Florida hanging chad trick meaning they never will be, I expect greatness from our man, Bernie, anyway. I don't mind their remarks since most of them are sophomoric so be patient, Berners. She will lose.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)than give an inch in the direction of the left.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Guaranteed!
Care to deliver on that?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Just look at who her biggest donors are and ask the question honestly. You'll come to the same conclusion.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Great.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)could go over my head, save some shit about rainbow ponies.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)I win.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That's a white flag if there ever was one
Darb
(2,807 posts)Don't take it so personally. It was a joke.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)your pyrrhic victory.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Whatever works for ya. You guys should start Bernie Underground, sense you cannot abide by having anyone who doesn't whine in harmony.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Just like all those wonderful people that yelled at progressives for "wanting ponies" when we wanted single payer, or medicare for all, or even a goddamned public option.
Thank you so much just for being You, you special wonderful person you.
Darb
(2,807 posts)It was a jibe. Deal.
(Putting on kid gloves for future interaction)
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)You have a brand new shiny name to use here and everything!
Thank you so much for coming back and telling progressives about our desire for sparkly ponies.
Darb
(2,807 posts)That's an odd post, transparent and odd.
amborin
(16,631 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)you can read minds.
Lucky you.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's unrequited.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Goldman-Sachs made no bones about it that the Oligarchy will settle for Clinton or a Republicon.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Tricky Dick over McGovern's defeat by the latter.
You simply cannot make this shit up.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...the PTB want nothing to do with real left / progressive politics.
Here's hoping we can continue to persuade more people as the primaries continue.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
thereismore
(13,326 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)He would win over Hillary in the GE. Bernie is our best hope.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...in fact, I've seen several posts this morning bemoaning Rubio's strong showing in Iowa, and worrying that he will now have momentum and could become the Republican nominee and be hard to beat.
Yet somehow Bernie's virtual tie with Hillary just means he lost, get over it.
Cognitive. Dissonance.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Everybody knows that he is the future of the party, given the age gap. He does have a lot of work to do in SC and not that much time to do it. He could use a boost from the AA community. I hope Sen. Barbara Lee comes out to campaign with him. She would be a great VP pick for Bernie.
I do expect preferences to start moving once again now that Bernie has the attention of the MSM. I think NV will be very important. He should really fight for that one.
He lost! Nobody who comes in less than first is able to be happy. DU Rules
thereismore
(13,326 posts)not to damage the "real" candidate before the GE.
oasis
(49,407 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)BigGLiberal
(102 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the deal.
Give me a fucking break.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Iowa is swing state.Bush won In 2004.Gore just barely won in 2000.A right wing republican was elected to senate In 2014.
Clinton basicly tied In Iowa and she had to steal it to even do that.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)If you're buying that they're happy right now then you need a reality check.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Everyone slam your drink!
ram2008
(1,238 posts)And only came out with a coin-toss tie.
Fundraising will dry out as most her donors will be maxed out before Super Tuesday. She won't have enough to saturate the airwaves, while Bernie's money spigot will keep flowing.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)then.
Anybody giving money to Clinton is being had.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Winning is still winning, even if it was by just a smidge
I heard that Bernie and campaign are glum expected a groundswell of support from first time voters that didn't appear. And also because they lost!
Hillary, on the other, is exactly the kind of candidate on the Democratic side who could easily gather the kind of groundswell support needed to topple whatever character emerges from the GOP. She could beat either a freak like Trump or a "safe" establishment tool such as Rubio.