Hillary.....not so much.

Remember DWS 2014 success story? "Who else are you going to vote for? At least we are not as bad as the GOP." - that campaign, remember?

That was when the millennials didn't have a reason to vote. The results...

The DNC DLC dumb asses didn't learn from 2014 ...and now they want shove the oligarchy candidate down our throats.

the lesson that you would like to teach them.

That beautiful corporate ca$h.

but it's important to remember that it's because they want to be so.

and he gave the stats as to turnout of various groups. According to him, that age group turned out about 4% less than they did for Obama in '08. His point was, that if the turnout had been equal to what the '08 turnout was, Bernie would have won very big. So, while it is very heartening to hear of their support for Bernie, TURNOUT is key. We need to encourage them even more, plus get ourselves out there as well. Sunday morning on the way to church, I say another car ahead of me with a Bernie bumper sticker to match my own. I have only seen Bernie stickers here in my stretch of rural Upstate NY. Near Albany. When I mentioned this last night at rehearsals, others mentioned the same thing, only Bernie stickers. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I have seen literally hundreds of Bernie stickers on cars. I have seen dozens of yard signs. The only other signs or stickers for the presidential race are two bumper stickers for tRump.
This is in the Hudson Valley, between Newburgh and Kingston.

just go with the flow with establishment politics. People are afraid of change. Young people are not afraid of change however and that is a good thing. This is the first generation of young people whose parents cannot help them financially. There are no more credit cards to put tuition on. There are no more home equity lines of credit to pay for unaffordable rents. The only help many parents can lend is a room to offer their children to stay in while they wait for things to get better. This is the first generation of young people who have had this much debt and such low paying jobs right out of college. They are being affected by our economy and they are pissed. They want change, and they will show up at the polls. And another thing I have noticed about young people; information is at their fingertips. My daughter knows way more about caucuses than I did at her age. I was worried young people and first time voters would be put off by caucusing but they seem to be taking to it. I am so glad.

the Millennials. I consider myself an old Millennial.

Business as usual in the Corporate States of America.

so yeah, just work like hell to keep 'em away from the polls.

And Chelsea? Yeah, sure!



The kids are alright!

nice colored hair but hey mines sorta colored. white streaks Hey lets color Bernie's hair. the Millennials can pick the colors

if he did color his hair, it would look cool and his enjoying it would not look fake. Our guy is a really unusual politician.

We can only put that meme to bed after they have consistently shown up. One swallow does not make a summer. We can only say that in the event just concluded, they showed up. We might also observe that they weren't enough.

It is vital that the Sanders team not start counting chickens before they're running around in the barnyard, or the candidate will be up like a rocket, and down like a stone. There is a long road ahead, and it will take enormous work to overcome the Clinton juggernaut.

-- Mal

that are friends with my kids (well the youngest just turned 30) actively taking a roll and mostly for Bernie has been a real eye opener. I remember trying to register them when they were turning 18. They wanted to know why. I wager I got at least half of them to register and a few of them voted against Bush** but since then I have lost track but most say they have not voted regularly. One son has always voted the other stopped a while back. His cynical streak has taken a back seat to the Sanders campaign.

Oh yes they will vote and I too am happy to take a back seat.

I remember a conversation I had here with a younger person during the Bush** administration about some kind of protest. I think that poster is long gone from here now but what he said to me was this. We will be willing to show up to protest but you need to set it up and tell us what to do. When I laughed at that he got mad and asked me how we expected them to do it. I told him that we did, nobody was telling us how to do things when were his age. We figured it out then and they could figure it out now. We could help but they needed to make this their own. He told me that was not going to work. Well quite a few years later we had Occupy, I think the next generation had the guts and care to do it themselves or at least start it, fashion it and hold it.

It makes me happy. Especially when you think about all we learned doing it then and how it held many of us always together in our lefty spot.

Some of them haven't even fathomed what is really all about and this is in stark contrast to to younger people who get all their information from there and increasingly by way of social media outlets and contacts. If some of us Bernie fans can help fill in that gulf somehow we will have taken a big step.

with the older people. I and my husband are in our 60's and we have relatives who are in their 70's who are pretty good with the net and use it for their news, many substituted it for their TV sets and they use social media like champs. My 91 year old Aunt emails me every few months although I do not think she surfs much but who knows?

I think the older folks NOT doing this are probably in their 80's and 90's and I think (I should know but I do not) that they are smaller in numbers.

I learned the computer skills with our first computer in my mid 30's and taught my young son's how to use it as we went along.

I get your point but I think that a lot of us considered in the older group are actually quite computer savvy. Remember, as you get older it gets harder to get around others. The Internet has been the saving grace for a lot of lonely older people.

That said, I think I agree with you but not as much as I hear from others who seem to think if you are over 50 you really don't do much with the Internet.

It also seems hard to get some to some of those places where the information is located and at the same time filter out what is B.S. from what is real. Anyway got to head off to work, nice chatting with you

...Bernie is unelectable. The difference between electable and unelectable is a lot wider than a mere .2 or.3%.



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I have looked at too many ballots on all levels where the Dems and the GodOffalParty gave us choices of two disgusting candidates...very hard to hold the nose and vote for a piece of crap...

Bernie gives us all...especially young people...our ONLY glimmer of HOPE...and CHANGE...that's why they are supporting and voting for ideas they believe in...

Thank you, Millennials!

They're smart and they know what is at stake.

voters in IA last night than in 2004. I still maintain they didn't come out in the same numbers they did for Pres Obama. Go ahead and prove me wrong.

2008 was a huge race with 3 major candidates plus a few others. Just the presence of that many organizations on the ground had to swell the overall numbers. Basically last night there were only two campaigns driving the numbers, so pretty darn good in my opinion.

reported last night that the total was down 4% from 2008. That Bernie would have won if they had turned out in numbers equal to 2008. On the other hand, bb05 is also correct about the size of the overall race.

When was that? Like a million years ago?

Who cares!

but whatever. It was the most recent caucus that was nominating a non-incumbent. If you want to think that was A MILLION YEARS ago, knock yourself out.

In 2008, Democrats outnumbered Repubs. That has now switched, and in 2014, Tom Harkin's seat went to the likes of Joni Ernst! Do you see what DWS and corporate Democrats have done to our party? Did you see the last voter turnout numbers? We can talk about the dying GOP, but the Democratic party is in trouble for the same reason, it's losing it's base.

We've been treated like some voiceless, tiny minority of the Democratic party, but Iowa says, we are fully one half of the party, and we're growing. Liberals! Grass roots! 100% American!

https://sos.iowa.gov/elections/voterreg/county.html#2008

and have fought the battles that the young are enjoying because of our fighting. This isn't an issue of who is more liberal - the answer is clearly Bernie (on some issues, others not so much). This is about who I feel would be the best candidate in the general and I remember McGovern far too clearly to think this country is going to elect someone who has promised to raise taxes - that's the soundbite and the long explanation how that not is really true will get lost in the noise of the election. Americans don't have long attention spans and react to the soundbite (the rise of trump is testament to that). I just don't think Bernie can win a general. He's too old, he's too angry, he's too focused on economic issues. I had the same fire you do - then I realized I wasn't the one voting and that this country is moderate and you can't win an election with liberals alone.

Muricans hate taxes.

Your other points are well taken, but I think Bernie could pull off a win in the general. I fear he has to because I think that whole e-mail mess of Hill's is going to sink her.

Just an observation

Also an aversion to being gracious in defeat.

Your generation seems to have its shit together, unlike mine, damn slackers.

Fantastic.

I was just going to look for that video.
Of course, as a Boomer, I remember it from the first time around.
Damn, but they look like babies.... so young to be so wise.

Millennials have typically shown up in election years... It's the congressional, midterms and governor's races that they couldn't be bothered to give a shit...

Your work isn't "done" by voting once every four years....


And before anybody wants to get cute and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, let me remind you I work on a university campus...

Rather than having Establishment jack-asses like DWS shoving DINOs down our throats.

And that's the exact fucking mindset which justifies them staying home... If morons could only be moved to get off their asses when a candidate really "excites" them (which I guess would be once every 6-8 years), then they have dishonored what it means to have the right to vote, and their respective constituency deserves exactly what it fucking gets...

No, gubernatorial/state house and off-year congressional races are rarely sexy, but they need voter turnout nonetheless... In case nobody noticed, this is why almost every statehouse is filled to the brim with brain-dead yokel rednecks or religious fanatics who are barely literate...

The future belongs to those who show up for it.

They rally for Sanders for healthcare for all, living wage, wall street regulation, prison reform, gutting of the ridiculous pentagon (Syria, Iraq, etc.), no border fence, end to the war on drugs and the NDAA. Why would they support Hillary?

And woe to any poor fool who thinks they can stop us.

Bernie won that age group 84-14 over Hillary.

In other words, he would have won Iowa if young people hadn't stayed home.

Keep dissing that age group. You guys never learn, do you?

that was a base statistic. Their turnout was lower than it was when Obama was running.

The numbers just don't show they did as much as we'd like, and as much as the OP said.

If Iowa's young voters had come out like they did in the 2008 caucus, Bernie would have won.

This was a bit of a turnout bust despite all of the excitement over the race.

And rightly so!

They showed up for Obama both times....so yes lets drop that

with weak attempts to mislead. They try to say that the thousands and thousands that are filling stadiums and waiting for hours outside, won't come out to vote. This race reminds me of the Revolutionary War. One side supports the strong authoritarian government while the other side is fighting for freedom and liberty and let's face it, lives of those in the 99% die because of the greed of the Oligarchy.

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Man, did you nail that!

Granted, the younger crowd did a decent job showing up, but if the 18-40 crowd had shown up at the numbers that the 60+ crowd did Bernie would probably have won!

Just turn out and Bern in!

at 60 years old, I'm included in that. The POINT is that they DID show up in Iowa, they've BEEN showing up in all of the rallies and they're GOING to show up when it comes time to vote.