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ram2008

(1,238 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:54 PM Feb 2016

The results are clear: BERNIE is the future of the Democratic Party, NOT Hillary

Just look at those entrance poll numbers. Bernie won ages 17-29 by a whopping 84-14%, he also wins the 30-44 age group 58-37%! Hillary's best demographic was 65+(understandable since most people in this demographic get their news from corporate tv) where she won 69-26%.



http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/ia/Dem

The Democratic party better take notice because this is just the beginning of something bigger. Hillary is NOT getting the Obama coalition despite the talking heads saying so, quite the opposite, it is Bernie who has made inroads with the young. Hillary represents the past while Bernie is standing up for the future.

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Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
2. Watch the older voters switch once Bernie wins NH!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

Many of them just don't think he can win. Once they see that he has a chance the tide will turn. Get ready for even bigger Bernie crowds!

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
3. idealism runs strongest in the young....unfortunately we don't live
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

in an ideal world...I love bernie to death but he has zero chance to win battleground states in a general election against the GOP....sad facts

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
4. Bernie = BEST chance to win battleground states in a general election against the GOP. Polls show
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

His POLICIES are much more POPULAR. Your meme is worn out and the treads are showing

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
14. so do you think those that fought for Women's Rights or Civil Rights or the Labor Movement
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

were living in an ideal world? Were they foolish idealists?

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
5. The key demographic difference in Iowa in my opinion:
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

28% 65+

That's pretty high - I suspect it's a record.

They hit 27% in 2004 but that was a considerably lower turnout

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
8. The big news there is how the 30-44 yo's have flipped for Bernie!
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

He always had the youngin's. Now he's got Gen X, too!

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
9. I am so *sick* of the way Millennials are treated
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

As a cusp millennial myself, I've obviously run in those circles. Why are millennials "unreliable"? Because we spent our whole lives under the thumb is pseudo-fascist politicians and have lost faith in the system. Many of my fellow Millennials actually self-identify as "anarchists." With the exception of friends who were born and bred into extremely conservative cultures, we are democrats in the most basic sense: we want power for the people. We want equality under the law. We want fair and equal treatment between genders, races, and ethnicities, and we want financial equity.

Ask yourselves why Millennials turned out in droves for anti-war protests, Occupy Wallstreet, and marriage equality, but they don't show up "reliably" to the polls. My experience tells me the answer to this question is obvious, it's because these things require *action*. When we protest, we have our fate in our own hands, democracy on the street-level. They don't vote not because they are lazy, but because voting has not yielded the urgent results they think the country needs to become a place where they feel they can thrive.

Oh, I hear it now, "but don't they realize that if they don't vote, they could get someone truly terrible, a true fascist?" Oh, they realize it. Remember how I said many of them are anarchists? A good portion of Millennials want to see the word burn, not because they are sadistic, not because they love the idea of destruction, or pain, or suffering, but because they view the system as so irredeemably convoluted, corrupt, and insidious.

Is this just "youth in revolt"? Perhaps. Fortunately, our society, since the 80s, has seemed resolute in miring us in a perpetual childhood of nostalgia and dependency, the fancies, and the malcontents, of youth have been allowed to spill over, now into the 30-44 demographic. The old metric says that people become more conservative as they grow older, fatter, happier, more set-in-their-ways, and afraid of change. The result of Reganomics, Corporatism, financial instability, has deprived this generation of its comfort, and given it a thirst, a desire, a need to see things change. We are a generation of 30-year-old burger-flippers, minimum wage drones, the first generation in a very long time with less economic opportunity, not to mention a lower life-expectancy, than our parents. This disquiet, this lack of opportunity to thrive, to be happy, this overturning of the hierarchy of needs, has resulted in the expansion of the period of idealism.

This is why simply telling them, if Sanders is ultimately defeated, to vote for Clinton because "do you want a Trump or a Cruz?!" will not work. We're tired of the lesser of two evils. We're tired of Democrats spending their entire tenure as president putting out the fires lit by their predecessors to the exclusion of true progression (not to mention the fires they light themselves). One step forward, two steps back, we're running in place. And some--not myself, but some--would rather see the ultimate birth of what has been gestating for their entire lives, not because they want it, but because they think it's necessary, because the momentum is behind it, and sometimes it's better to actually reach a destination, than suffer through the unbearable tension of the inevitable. It's terrifying, but though this be madness, there be method in't.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
10. Hillary, DWS and the DNC are becoming as OBSOLETE
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

as the Republican Party. Their supporters will die-off and then we can get on with fixing the mess they have caused

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
11. Iowa Dems backed Clinton by 17 points, Iowa union households backed Clinton by 9 points
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

@AriMelber
Brightest news for Clinton tonight:
People who identify as Dems backed her by 17 points -- Sanders made up the gap with Independents.
7:32 PM - 1 Feb 2016
Ari Melber

@AriMelber
And Clinton beat Sanders among union households by 9 points, undercutting some conventional wisdom.
7:38 PM - 1 Feb 2016

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