Certain groups, unwilling to wait for Bernie to connect with black people, have decided to go around them, replacing black voices in post after post, article after article with lying voices, often white ones, pretending to speak for the black community.

These lies are an attempt to fool people into believing Bernie has support that no black groups have given him because Bernie has not yet told them what they need to hear from any candidate they can support.

This attempt to strip black voters of their political power doesn't only risk irreparably offending this CRITICAL 13% of all voters, a percentage no Democrat can win without.

What will happen when the truth comes out and white and Hispanic Democrats, and other minorities, like our First Americans, learn that Bernie's campaign is treating our black citizens with the same dismissive contempt as the white-supremacist GOP?

I can tell you for ME: Bernie will put a stop to this massive campaign of lies, denounce it, and start building genuine bridges with minorities, or he is mud in my eyes.

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Snagglepuss. We've got your name and your game.

The pattern is hardly...difficult to understand.

"What will happen when the truth comes out and white and Hispanic Democrats, and other minorities, like our First Americans, learn that Bernie's campaign is treating our black citizens with the same dismissive contempt as the white-supremacist GOP?

I can tell you for ME: Bernie will put a stop to this massive campaign of lies, denounce it, and start building genuine bridges with minorities, or he is mud in my eyes."

What truth has to come out? Please explain the 'dismissive contempt that is the same as the white-supremacist GOP' as well as the 'massive campaign of lies.' How is he 'stripping black voters of their political power?

Those are heavy accusations. Link to proof of these truths please, or delete.

Then search the problem being brought here out in the larger world. It's not rare. It's not obscure.

It's something you really NEED to know about if you want to elect Bernie.

About a quarter involve 'black' issues - Killer Mike, MLK, one on reparations, nothing too far out of the ordinary. The other thread titles tell me that this is a real person with varied interests, definitely not a sock puppet, troll mor mole.

I still don't see anything substantiating your claims.

If I NEED to know, perhaps you should elucidate. It IS obscure.

This tells us nothing about what YOU mean.

What DO you mean? Sounds like you've fallen for GOP lies with no basis in fact.



"treating our black citizens with the same dismissive contempt as the white-supremacist GOP? "

This really needs some 'splainin'. It's right from the GOP meme machine circa June! Why are you promoting it?

Take a clue, please, Judy, and spread it around: 58% of all minority caucus votes in Iowa voted for Hillary.

Only 34% voted for Bernie -- in an extremely Bernie-friendly state.

Check this out, for example: http://usuncut.com/politics/black-lives-shattered-how-the-clintons-built-their-empire-on-white-supremacy/

Honesty isn't just a moral thing, it has great function. Without it, we're idiots.

The OP doesn't say all Black Voters or even most Black Voters.

Chill.

Clinton claims to be a person for "the people", but she can't stand being around the people. During the MLK event here in SC. Both O'Malley and Sanders marched from the church to the state house. Hillary did not march, Not only did she not march, but she made everyone wait an hour in the cold. Then had the a itinerary changed so she could go first, instead of last like the printed sheet stated. That was blatant disrespect of everybody who waiting in the cold, and the organizers of the event She is not a person for the common people

She doesn't appear to be in the necessary physical shape to walk any distance in cold weather. And certainly Bill, with his history of heart disease and quadruple by-pass surgery should avoid cold weather exertion completely.

It is about .5 miles. Not far at all.

And I wanted to make the point that she got her doctor to write a letter stating she was in good health - I read that letter, and there were no limitations on walking. I quote: “She is in excellent physical condition and fit to serve as President of the United States.” Walking a half a mile should be well within her capacities, if she is in fact "in excellent physical condition".

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-health-excellent-doctor-letter-2016-campaign-120861#ixzz3z3d6uNC5

She might have had a paid speaking event with Goldman Sachs she could not pass up.

.....and caution by the Secret Service.

I suggest people do a little research before they make such accusations.

I was at a rally for our Governor a few years ago where Bill Clinton spoke. We had to be inside in our seats an hour before the rally started, and we had to remain in our seats until Clinton was back in his car and had left the grounds.

Same thing for Obama a year ago - we had to be inside THREE hours before the event started and also had to stay there until Obama's motorcade was on its way.

Candidates don't have to do what the secret service says. They're not lords & masters, it's the other way around. If she wanted to not force her way to the head of the speaking list or if she wanted to march, she could have.

I remember going to a Kerry rally in Reno in 2004 and the secret service were sending everyone through a metal detector/scanning with wands. About an hour after the event was supposed to start, they just gave up and let everyone in. I thought it was a bad decision, but now I'm guessing the order came from Kerry.

give her that maybe she wasn't healthy enough to walk. But to keep everyone waiting for an hour was not cool. It had nothing to do with secret service. Sorry just my opinion.

...a single one that started on time, or even close to on time.

Clinton appeared in Cromwell CT in 1992 (yeah, I know it was a "Clinton&quot , he was about 90 minutes late. A couple of weeks later Al Gore appeared at Wesleyan University - he was more than an hour late.

That's the way it is, for EVERY candidate, and people who regularly attend these types of events understand it.

Considering they were in Charleston the night before. It wasn't as if she was coming a far distant. They had this on the books and she should have been on time, or at least close to on time, but no over an hour late.

as George has patiently explained. Yet you continue your "concerns" about HRC's health, which are completely and totally unfounded.

people who had to go to the restroom couldn't leave their seats? That seems unreasonable.

just walking a couple of blocks would have better than nothing. On the other hand, it doesn't surprise me because I think it's all an act for her. I see her as a diva so it makes sense that she believes the itinerary absolutely needs to accommodate her first and foremost. Your story really is an interesting snapshot of her.

If she was for the common people she would have been working with Jimmy Carter instead of giving speeches, she certainly wouldn't have accepted $300,000 from UCLA, a public university for giving a 1 1/2 hour speech.

That has to mean something.

It's pretty typical of why black voters are NOT "dropping" Hillary Clinton for Bernie. A profoundly silly lie that can be debunked in literally seconds.

Propane Jane ?@docrocktex26: Seriously, what is Bernie going to say in response to Trump demonizing Muslims, the undocumented, or "the Blacks"? Down with Goldman Sachs?
7:59 AM - 27 Jan 2016

problem in the US?

because she has promised to address their problems. Look, Judy, you want Bernie? Then SUPPORT the coalition of progressives that he cannot win without. Blacks are 18-33+% of the population in the southern states. It doesn't matter how well Bernie does in New Hampshire, and even Nevada, if his momentum is stopped DEAD in

South Carolina (Feb 20 - a little over 2 weeks away)
Alabama (Mar 1 - Super Tuesday)
Arkansas
Georgia
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Virginia
Kentucky
Louisiana (Mar 5)
Mississippi
Florida
North Carolina (Mar 15)

You can start by recognizing posts that blacks right here on DU find profoundly offensive. And why.

appealing to black voters than Bernie is. Ok, I am already aware of that, and I am interested in understanding it. You are more up to speed on this than I am, without a doubt. I am listening. You say Hillary is making promises that you like.

It is puzzling to me that with Bernie's long history and consistent support of PoC issues and Hillary/Bill's flawed policies and statements that have been hurtful to blacks, that it is such a clear decision for you to be in Hillary's camp. And you say all this with anger, or frustration, it's hard to tell... Clearly you are very emotional about it. So point me to something that overviews your perspective; I am genuinely interested.

Is there something offensive about Bernie to you? Does his lifetime of civil rights support not seem authentic?

They don't like math. Don't scare them.

Because here's an OP that's excited about people being excited about something.

And then there's your post that protests it. A post that looks like a shaking fist in a room of people enjoying themselves.

Sanders will attack the systemic inequities, where, unfortunately, Clinton will not be able, due to her slurping at the trough from Wall Street, the banks, insurance companies, and the pharmaceuticals.


Cher

And his message is rapidly connecting with people and communities all over the US!

"In South Carolina How Bernie Sanders Could Actually Pull Off an Upset- Surprising Numbers of South Carolinians Like Bernie--If They've Heard of Him", In These Times, Feature by David Moberg, Jan. 25, 2016. An excellent article.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280102739

Bernie shakes hands at an event in South Carolina in Nov., 2015.

Bernie Sanders will be a president for ALL the people. His record speaks for itself.

Huge K&R!!!

Just incredible. Thanks snugglepuss,

Wow

On Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:50 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Black Voters DROP Hillary Clinton to Support Bernie Sanders & MLK's Legacy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511123352

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This OP is incredibly offensive. The video is over a month old and NO ONE in this video says that Sanders is continuing MLK's legacy in direct contradiction to this OP title. This is the kind of thing that black DUers have been saying for months is a slap in their faces and a disgusting and needless co-opting of MLK's legacy. If a Hillary video was posted that showed her trying to co-opt MLK's legacy, this board would rightfully be in flames. And when you factor in that Hillary's AA support is significantly higher than Bernie Sanders' this video can rightfully be called as dishonest as it is unnecessary.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:04 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You're kidding, right?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh for christ's sake. The title doesn't even say "Sanders is continuing MLK's legacy" - it says black voters are supporting MLK's legacy. Furthermore, carrying on on a legacy (that is, furthering ideas and goals) - is hardly "co-opting" in the first place. Don't hide ideas with which you disagree. Argue your position in the thread.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The Op just posted the video title. Argue it in the replies. That's what this forum is for.
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Explanation: Alert abuse. Don't like it? Make your opinion known to the person who posted it, don't ask a jury to do your dirty work.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Dr. West spoke about Bernie continuing MLK's legacy, in substance if not in the exact words. I think the post should stand.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was hoping this would be an 0-7 leave outcome.

Wow It almost seems like some people here don't want anything positive about Bernie and POC posted for discussion.

Sickening

Is that for real?!

www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/12/clinton_logo_rosa_parks.html

That is being terribly sensitive and Juror #7 summed it up best.

Is this claim supported by anything, y'know, tangible?

Polls?

News articles?

who all DROPPED supporting Hillary so they could support Sanders.




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and nothing to show any actual inroads into the PoC vote by Sanders.

Thanks for the clarification.

which means that what they say and do will reverberate in their communities.

Cool story bro.

think and vote the same, her campaign is dead in the water. People have been holding "Bernie doesn't have black people" over his head for weeks. IF this changes, it's over for her.

I remember Hillary and Bill saying President Obama's candidacy was a fairytale, a fantasy, an effort tantamount to that of Jessie Jackson's run for the office. Karma is a mother, maybe that is what is going to happen in this case, only the fairytale/fantasy may be Hillary trying to garner the AA vote.

“What did you think about the Obama thing calling Hillary the senator from Punjab? Did you like that? Or what about the Obama handout that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook. Scouring me — scathing criticism over my financial reports. Ken Starr spent $70 million to find out that I wouldn’t take a nickel to see the cow jump over the moon.

“So you can take a shot at Mark Penn if you want. It wasn’t his best day. He was hurt. He felt badly we didn’t do better in Iowa. But the idea that one of these campaigns is positive and the other is negative when I know the reverse is true and I have seen it and I have been blistered by it for months is a little tough to take. Just because of the sanitizing coverage that’s in the media doesn’t mean the facts aren’t out there.

“It is wrong that Sen. Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years, and never got asked one time — not once, ‘Well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn’t know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war. And you took that speech you’re now running on off your Web site in 2004. And there’s no difference in your voting record and Hillary’s ever since.’ Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen.”

Bill was referring to Obama's claim that he hadn't supported the IWR, although he wasn't in the Senate at the time. He was saying that Obama's claims about not supporting the war, while voting to finance it once he became a senator, was a fairy tale. He wasn't saying that Obama's campaign was a fairy tale. There's a big difference.

Please consider creating an OP with them.

Well, he was stating a fact. Jesse Jackson did win SC twice.

that Bernie has done is introduce me to Killer Mike. I hope Killer Mike has a place in a Sanders administration. Possibly in Race relations

about themselves . . .

in the AA community, evidenced by black leaders and artists dropping Hillary and publicly declaring their support of Bernie. It seems to me that many supporters of Hillary across every demographic see her as a known quantity and for them it's a matter of going with the devil you you know, than the devil you don't. There is no way that Black leaders like Turner and Bamberg, to name just two, would throw their support to Sanders if they didn't believe in the depths of their being that Sanders is the one who best serve the interests of their community.

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are the ones that can and will be reached. These videos are a way of doing that. One voter at a time.

The man who cares about, 'We The People' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FEEL THE BERN

Didn't hear recently about Bernie Sanders putting the homeless out of a shelter on the coldest day of the year so he could hold a rally?

.... thought I heard that somewhere.

I can say that I'll be voting for Sanders in NC during our state primary.

I'm glad you're here!

We need you, and so does Bernie.

I've been a Bernie supporter from the very beginning because as a person of color, I believe he would be better than Clinton for my community. I think a lot of the support she gets from people of color is because of name recognition and certain folks being maybe a tad afraid to take their political destiny in their own hands. I also have a problem with the Clinton role in the drug war and mass incarceration. She's being given a complete pass on that issue.

We have a group just for supporters of Bernie Sanders where we can take a break from the primary back and forth and just discuss Bernie and the issues with like minded people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1280

Great to meet you, DS8! I like your handle.