The math says if Hillary is nominated, everybody under 40 stays home and Rubio wins.

But that would not be nearly as bad as Sanders' winning to some. How about you?

heads up math

Lowest of the low info, right there.

because it is fucked up. I am happy Bernie had a great night though, sad about O Malley. Laughing at the clown car.

for supporting Hillary, such as this OP, or the plethora of "black people LURRV Bernie" posts that are not only 100% divorced from the reality of the level of AA support the candidates are receiving right now, but seem to be posted and supported by folks who go out of their way to be openly hostile to minority posters here.

Like I said, it's been such a fun day. My bookmarks tab is about to explode.

but people were thrilled about it, LOL.

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Oh, wait a minute. That's actually unknowable. Right?

long enough to hand the election to the GOP. Which is exactly what will happen if Hillary wins the nomination.

good one.

She is not going to win the nomination of the democratic party. that you can take to the bank.
Just not enough Dem fools for her to get there from here.

And Dem that votes for Hillary is a "fool"? This is not the way to get others on your side, you do know that don't you?

just didn't quiet get deep enough to bring blood this time is all.

My mother is a low information voter who was voting HRC simply because she thought it was "her turn". I asked her to watch a few speeches and get to know Bernie a little better.

And we gained another voter.

That's one of many I am willing to assume

since blacks, gays, hispanics, and women all supporter her to variously large majorities that means your opinion of those voters is that they are apparently stupid. Maybe you should team up with Marray on his next book.

... who are leaning away from his message?

Sanders message and his supporters are quickly turning Clinton into one of "us" (marginalized) and he hasn't realized it yet.

If you talk to people, most don't have a fng clue. Everyone get their panties in a twist about that reality, but it is true of most American voters...whether they vote for Cruz or Clinton or Trump. Most people vote for the frontrunner...not the issues.

Listen to yourself.

"We caucused for HC in a dining hall of Cedar Heights Elementary School in Cedar Falls, Iowa, a liberal college town. There were about 420 attendees, and the vote split pretty much as reported here. There were several notable differences in the makeup of the Sanders and Clinton groups. The Sanders group had a larger share of young people in their early twenties, for instance. But what was very striking -- the Clinton group had the diversity: blacks, Asians, burly gay women and etc. The Sanders group was all white. Every one of them. Even in a place like Iowa, seeing that homogeneous mass was remarkable and a bit unsettling."

Who truly represents the base of the Democratic party?

just prior to running for President, clearly.

Of those, did you notice which demographics supported Sanders vs. which supported Clinton?

then why the 6 coin tosses?

... most polls because these types of overtly marginalizing discussion by Sanders and his supporters.


We're not LIV's... we just don't like Sanders message and some of the people it attracts


*** Cute puppies can't vote in primaries.

And my post about this is why.

Who are you speaking for?

... supposed to be leading this revolution for?

tia

On which social and economic justice issues do "your people" prefer Clinton?

People are entitled to see things differently than you; it doesn't make them low information, network news watching voters.

Those who do not watch network or cable news went 80% to 20% for Sanders.

Good job.

Clinton appeals only to voters whose opinions about electability and unelectability are largely formed by network and cable news.

You are insulting me with your assumption that I am "low information."

If not, on which issues do you prefer Clinton to Sanders?

I wouldn't call them ill-informed. But I would question if that base will carry her through.

Hillary threw everything she had at Bernie.

Twice the money, twice the caucus rules savvy, twice the ground game, and all the corporate media love. Only to have more Iowans show up to caucus for Sanders. That must smart, especially for all those planning to get a job in or because of her administration.

Taking out the word "old" doesn't make it any classier.

Did any of you look at the demographics?

I'm in none of your categories. I'm actually a fairly intelligent, educated life long Democrat who happens to think Hillary would make the best President. I know that you have a meme going and you are trying to find a demeaning one that is all inclusive for Clinton supporters. I don't think you are there yet.

For a "high-information" voter you have said something which proves how seriously UNINFORMED you are and really NUMB. For all your "information" you never learned that you don't win people over to your side by insulting them. Time for you to skip on back to school.

I'm trying to get all of the people shilling for Hillary because of their promised future paydays to jump ship like rats.

I wonder if they are old enough to vote. I excuse their ignorance and lack of good manners on youth. If they are adults, on the other hand, they have no excuse.

You sound exactly like Rush Limbaugh. In case you haven't noticed, this is a Democratic board. Your post is ignorant and offensive.

First of all, you are the one who needs an education. Second, who the hell are you to dictate who is a Democrat and who is not? Last time I checked, your candidate of choice just became a Democrat out of political expediency to be able to run for president.

As to your question, Hillary will go to the convention to accept the nomination, that's how far she will go.

not a low information voter and certainly not scared

Hillary and Bernie there are more similarities than differences... I would be pleased to have either for my President. I love Bernie's platform and am very familiar with his politics knowing him for decades... (I also have followed Hillary Clinton closely for decades and admire her work for healthcare, with families, children and also with Heads of State worldwide). (though... I am to the left of the both of them politically) I would hazard a guess that both candidates have a wide and diverse group of supporters; some well educated about the issues and some sadly misinformed...
Your original post is a sad reflection of how deep the talking points and propaganda of the right have dug into the psyche of Republicans and Democrats both.

The most important thing in this election year is that we must work to get as many Democrats into as many offices (local, state and nationally) as possible... a lot of hateful, vile talk about one of our Democratic candidates will not help.


http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm

Hillary completely tanked both with independents and with people who do not get the majority of their "information" from network and cable news.

What corporate media trumps 24/7 as her biggest advantage ("electability&quot is actually one of her biggest liabilities.

Sen. Sanders would certainly be a good candidate in many countries. In the U.S., however, the reality is that a great part of the electorate (note: electorate does not equal those who could vote) is far more conservative than DU thinks.

I've lived in rural and urban areas. The kinds of ideas that are accepted in places like NYC or even LV where I live now do not fly in rural NC where I lived.

A President has to work with a Congress that will be as divided as it has been. A President must be able to compromise in order to get stuff done.

While Sen. Sanders' ideas and proposals could be feasible, I just don't see the electorate able to differentiate between the dictionary definition of socialist democracy versus the Fox version (bad! bad! red people! Russia, North Korea... bad!) in the general election.

Since my prerogative is to see Democrats elected, I believe Sec. Clinton is the better choice of the two. She is not perfect but I feel that she can work with a divided electorate and Congress more than Sen. Sanders.

The real world in these U.S. of A is not as liberal as we think. While Sen. Sanders does get a lot of support from younger voters, let's not forget there are many states in this nation where people - including Democrats - are not as liberal. In an ideal world, I wish the U.S. were as liberal as other countries. Sen. Sanders would be a great President in this ideal world, with a Congress comprised of individuals who - though they may have different philosophies and ideas - still work together for the common good.

Alas, reality is different, at least at this go-round. Maybe in the next election cycle...

Just my two Euro cents from a U-R-apeein non-U.S. citizen.

Joyfully berating voters he will need to win in the general if he captures the nomination ...

Good work, genius.

Could you explain Clinton's appeal other than the corporate media 24/7 refrain that "Sanders is unelectable" even though he beat Hillary by more than 2 to 1 among independents last night?

You think Bernie can win the general w/o Hill primary voters?

THAT is the point.

Christ, I am voting Bernie and cant's stand most Bernie supporters here ...

The "appeal" is the same as any other candidate, they know and are comfortable with her.

Shitting on her, and them, ain't going to help bring them on board to support Bernie in the general if he can get past her.

WTF ...

... and other groups that have a lot of Hillary supporters. Your post is really ignorant, accusing groups that support Hillary of being low information. There are plenty of reasons to aupport Hillary. A lot of people support her because they think a Jewish, Brooklyn socialist cannot win or they think it's important to all girls and women to have a female president. I support Sanders, but I certainly understand why a lot of good people do not.

a relatively "low information voter" right now.

In Iowa, Sanders won 80% to 20% among those who do not typically get their news from network or cable TV.

its true

intelligent. Many are liking Hillary in this primary.

Get off your high horse.

Would the seminal poster poster post his curriculum vitae or resume with identifying information redacted, of course, so us plebeians can decide how much credence we should give to his proclamations.


Thank you in advance.

I realize that many Hillary supporters here are very high information lobbyists.

I am talking about regular people.

You insult your fellow posters. I have the temerity to point it out. You double down with an ad hominem atttack?

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Sounds like an arrogant kid to me.

Voting in your own economic self-interest is completely understandable.

Talk about low information.

Actually, it is pretty pathetic in a supposed meritocracy, but I guess it's who you know.

Luckily, Clinton has all the best connections to cut us all a deal on all the deals going down.

as low information. Both Bernie and Trump are making promises that defy math and common sense.

That should work well...

See you in the South.

Just wondering ...

That's where high information voters get their information, isn't it?

But, of course, you prefer CNN. Right?

Or are you just stroking your own ego?

Bernie supporters, free country and everything.

"They so meanly keep harping on issues, judgment, character, and corporate cronyism!"

if the poster was trying to convince anyone.

And nary a one was "convinced" yet.

The general consensus on Hillary and indeed much of the GOP is that they are "Too much in love with Moloch," a phrase roughly meaning they, and I, think she is too beholden to money and love of money.

But my family tends to be very religious so biblical allusions sell well among the lot of us.

Bernie gets the support for being the labor guy that the much older members remember existing at the tail end of the 40's and 50's or have passed on knowledge of having existed in the early 20th century.

Go to the mirror

You supported GWB you were either extremely low information (read naive) or in on the scam. I find it unfathomable that anyone could believe or follow candidates who are obviously bought and paid for. Mhatrw, you got guts. The Status quo - The current system is so corrupt and such a scam on the people that I have to believe that anyone voting for more of that is either hoping to profit from the misery that will rain down on the rest of the people or they just don't see the countless examples of deceit, trickery and contempt that these status quo candidates have for the people. I find it bizarre that anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear can't see through the corruption from the status quo candidate. Maybe the blue pill just works so well that they can't see. Or they took the red pill and don't care that the steak is fake.