2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTell me about "super delegates."
Last nite the first nat'l convention delegates were selected:
It was "delegate dead draw": Sanders 22, Clinton 22.... according to one network. ( another report I saw gave Clinton a 1 vote lead: 22-21.
OK. The people have spoken and... so far.... that's what they've said.
Yet: CBS News just said the TOTAL convention delegate count as of this moment is 329 ( approximately) for Clinton and 20-something for Sanders.
OK: What's the rationale for "super-delegates"?
And if... as appears to be the case..... they ( "super delegates" are grossly out of touch with the sentiment of the electorate ( as it has been expressed so far; i.e. 50-50) why do we ( Democrats) tolerate them?
P.S. How many super delegates will there be in TOTAL? i.e. At the convention. ( There appears to be about 300 so far.)
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Totals by group
Candidate party leaders Governors Senators Representatives DNC members Totals
Hillary Clinton 8 13 39 155 132 347
Bernie Sanders 1 0 1 2 9 13
Martin O'Malley 0 0 0 1 2 3
Uncommitted 11 7 7 35 290 350
Totals 20 20 47 193 433 713
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016
reformist2
(9,841 posts)When you give certain "very important people" automatic votes at a national convention, I don't know what else to call it.
fwiff
(233 posts)Superdelegates can change their mind at any time until the convention
This list tracks the stated support for given candidates among the approximately 713 unpledged delegates (commonly known as "Superdelegates" who will cast a vote at the 2016 Democratic National Convention, to be held July 2528 in Philadelphia.[1] Unpledged delegates represent about a sixth of the overall delegate count (approximately 4,764) and come from several categories of prominent Democratic Party members:
20 Distinguished Party Leaders (current and former Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Congressional leaders, and DNC Chairs)
20 Democratic governors (including territorial governors and the Mayor of the District of Columbia)
47 Democratic members of the United States Senate (including Washington, DC Shadow Senators)
193 Democratic members of the United States House of Representatives (including non-voting Delegates)
433 Elected members of the Democratic National Committee (including the Chairs and Vice-Chairs of each state's Democratic Party)
With the exception of the eight DNC members from the Democrats Abroad, who each receive a half-vote, all Superdelegates are entitled to one vote (including when a sitting official or Distinguished Party Leader is also a DNC member). Throughout this page, those who may fall into two categories are considered as sitting officials first, then as DNC members, and as DPLs last. (For example, if a sitting Senator is credentialed as a DPL and is also a DNC member, they are listed as a Senator).
There's a clear table there of
Clinton has 347 right now, Sanders 13, O'M 3, and 350 are uncommitted
In order to win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, a candidate must win 2,383 delegates at the national convention (this total is current as of February 02, 2016). Currently, there are expected to be 4,764 delegates at the Democratic National Convention
https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_National_Convention,_2016
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)I don't understand why that is legal in a democracy.
NedMaxwell
(1 post)I was pretty much wondering the same things and I found this article.
https://newrepublic.com/article/129707/superdelegates-really-stop-bernie-sanders
I don't know why but when I used the link tool on this page it says something about purchasing Valentine candy.