2016 Postmortem
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In 1980, Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedys liberal primary challenge to President Jimmy Carter suffered a severe setback when New Hampshire Democratic voters chose Cartera Georgian with low poll numbersover a Democratic Party favorite from just across their states southern border.
In 2004, two New Englanders competed in New Hampshire: Massachusetts Senator John Kerry and Vermont Governor Howard Dean. After losing the Iowa caucuses, Dean hoped to renew his prospects in New Hampshire, but the Vermont connection was only good for 26 percent of the vote. Kerry, who benefited from the fact that Boston media reaches a lot more New Hampshire voters than Vermont media, easily prevailed.
Indeed, it can be argued that New Hampshires reputation as a state that backs New Englanders is based on recent patterns of voters who have moved to New Hampshire from Massachusetts, who continue to read The Boston Globe and the Boston Herald (papers that regularly endorse in New Hampshire primaries), watch Boston television stations and often (though not always) back candidates from Massachusetts.
Candidates from other New England states, like Vermonts Dean and Connecticuts Joe Lieberman, have not enjoyed so consistent an advantage.
So if Bernie wins New Hampshire solidly, it will have little to do at all with where he lives. It will be on the merits of his ideas and himself.
cali
(114,904 posts)Also, the Clintons have deep ties there. And Hillary won it on 2008.
merrily
(45,251 posts)One of the difficulties in combatting lies is that telling a lie is easy and quick and can take only a sentence, even less. Also, the lie can be told in a memorable sound bite.
Refuting memes that have been repeated for decades, though, is not easy or quick but some have tried, anyway. That includes my amateur efforts on DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1153117
lob1
(3,820 posts)not only don't think alike, they make jokes about each other. So the meme that it's a neighboring state so they're the same is totally bullcrap.
California is next to Arizona, and we're nothing alike.
cali
(114,904 posts)It borders NH. NH and Vermont even feel completely different
lob1
(3,820 posts)automatically says it's next to Vermont so Bernie has the advantage? I guess to explain away why Hillary's going to lose it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)No one is being "primaried" this year. It's an open election. Carter was the INCUMBENT, the sitting President-- and Ted was shitting on him.
Ted was raging on the coke back then, his marriage was falling apart, and no one was going to let him forget Chappaquiddick, even though it happened over a decade earlier.
He was a train wreck. Paul Kirk had left his staff. His constitutent services fell off, and he was in Don't Give A Shit territory, reckless, undisciplined, and making bad decisions.
It's a good thing he got his act together, and finished out his career as the Lion of the Senate, but for a time there, he was a hot mess and everyone knew it.
Romney, Dukakis, Tsongas, they all got the "neighborly" treatment. Muskie WON too--he didn't have a blowout because he was swiftboated, in essence, but he still won.
Kerry edged out Dean most assuredly due to media buys, plus, Dean wasn't well known even though he was the VT governor. Also, he was born in NY! Red Sox nation doesn't like NY!
I liked Dean, though--still do.
That's some rather lame reporting from The Nation. The article really doesn't make the point it purports to at all. Basically, all of the people they mention who are from New England and who aren't trying to primary a sitting POTUS WON NH.
Now they're "quibbling" about the size of the victory?
Surely they know better.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)"The People's Republic of Vermont". They call us the upside down state (Look at a map).