2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWith Each Passing Day, the Iowa Caucus Results Get Shadier and Shadier
https://www.yahoo.com/?fr=fptb-tycIf you're keeping score at home, the Iowa caucus process passed ridiculous on Tuesday and it has kept going into whatever is to be found far beyond it. In Grinnell Ward 1, the precinct where elite liberal arts college Grinnell College is located, 19 delegates were awarded to Bernie Sanders and seven were awarded to Hillary Clinton on caucus night. However, the Iowa Democratic party decided to shift one delegate from Sanders to Clinton on the night and did not notify precinct chair J Pablo Silva that they had done so. Silva only discovered that this happened the next day, when checking the precinct results in other parts of the county. In the old days, when Democrats knew how to do politics right, ...
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Report: Errors found in Democrats' Iowa caucus results; delegate count under review
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/02/05/Report-Errors-found-in-Democrats-Iowa-caucus-results-delegate-count-under-review/5571454719850/
here is the most chilling line:
state's Democratic chairwoman, Andy McGuire, said earlier this week that an audit would not be performed and that Clinton's win was assured.
cali
(114,904 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)And nobody with and power to do anything about it wants to be accused of being 'paranoid' or a 'conspiracy theorist'.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Past vote tampering has made me very cynical and depressed about our election process. People's unwillingness to do anything about it even more so.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)She cannot be trusted and if she goes on like this she doesn't even deserve to be nominated anymore. This is behaviour worthy of a Republican.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)To hell with honest democratic voting. It's HER TURN.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Really fucking old.
GO Bernie!!!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)fixing results on her behalf, but she's, you know, *not* part of the establishment. Riiiiiiight...
retrowire
(10,345 posts)This is out of hand.
antigop
(12,778 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)who knew Morning Joe would spill the beans on the Clinton
Machine's dirty dealings in Iowa??
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)In the last few weeks, and both times Joe was very respectful of Bernie...they were actually very good conversations.
I think JS secretly admires Bernie.
840high
(17,196 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)I've seen."
I"ll try to find the video link.
eta:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1123738
Andrea Mitchell: "It was the most extraordinary thing I've seen in a long time."
dae
(3,396 posts)And everyone else is scratching their heads asking wth is she doing.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Seriously. The point has been made. Bernie soared and HRC sunk. It doesn't matter what the final tally was. They were both strong, unlike the clown car.
Bernie is on the move, and Hillary is sliding and hoping for the minority vote to save her ship.
Iowa is insignificant. Sorry folks; it's not typical America.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)Your opinion and twisted logic doesn't bother me one bit. Love your type who jump out and attack others with faulty logic.
I know where I am and have a pretty good idea where you are coming from. Tangent logic.
fbc
(1,668 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)Iowa caucuses are a mess, it's smarter to just move on.
Either pro Clinton or Sanders, we're talking a few delegates. Just move on.
merrily
(45,251 posts)If it were Bernie instead of Hillary, your response would likely be different.
metroins
(2,550 posts)I have watched the past election mishaps and dwelling on the past never works.
You start a big mess over a small number, it hurts the party. Nobody looks forward, everybody looks back and it gives the GOP ammunition.
If it mattered, sure....but a few delegates either way doesn't.
Positives vs. Negatives.
merrily
(45,251 posts)ammunition, even if they make it up. For that reason, IMO, nothing is more stupid than allowing what Republicans say or might say to govern the conduct of Democrats.
metroins
(2,550 posts)It's an inefficient, ill equipped, backwards, Iowa caucus.
You'd essentially have to redo the entire thing and it would still be a mess. This is what happens when we don't change something for 40 years.
Revisiting Iowa will not help anybody.
Focus on the future.
merrily
(45,251 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Pay no attention to the man behind the screen!!!!!
metroins
(2,550 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)there are thousands of conspiracies every single day. Every time a meeting is held in a Corporate Boardroom is a conspiracy. Every time politicians meet with lobbyists is a conspiracy.
Sometimes, paranoia is a rational response to a repressive system,
especially after the Snowden revelations.
merrily
(45,251 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)There's a link to it by clicking my name.
merrily
(45,251 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)You could have at least copied and pasted info for people.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)"The state Democratic Party chair who refuses to release raw vote totals from Mondays razor-thin Iowa caucuses is a longtime Hillary Clinton supporter who even drives a car that officially displays her support for the presidential candidate.
Dr. Andrea Andy McGuire served as co-chairwoman of Clintons 2008 campaign in Iowa, and the Des Moines Register reported the license plate on her Buick Enclave reads: HRC 2016. "
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)They are all in the bag for Bush and Clinton. Wall Street is fine with either of those.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Everyone should know that by now. By Any Means Necessary is their motto.