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Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:36 AM Feb 2016

Almost Over For Hillary: This election is a mass insurrection against a rigged system By Bill Curry

Curry was White House counselor to President Clinton and a two-time Democratic nominee for governor of Connecticut. He is at work on a book on President Obama and the politics of populism.

It would be hard to overstate what Bernie Sanders has already achieved in his campaign for president, or the obstacles he’s had to surmount in order to achieve it. Not only has he turned a planned Hillary Clinton coronation into an exercise in grass-roots democracy, he’s reset the terms of the debate. We are edging closer to the national conversation we so desperately need to have. If we get there, all credit goes to Bernie.


...

If you strip away all the nonsense about polls, money, firewalls and ground games, Clinton’s left with two arguments, neither one pretty. One is that Sanders is too far left. Pundits dismiss his polls by repeating her “wait till the Republicans get ahold of him” line. And they’ll say what? That he’s old? Jewish? A socialist? Everybody already knows and anyone who’d even think of voting Democratic is already down with it or soon could be. The “socialist” tag needs explaining, but so do “corrupt” and “fascist.” Both parties’ frontrunners carry baggage. For my money, Bernie’s is the lightest. As for the notion that voters can’t see that paying $1,000 in taxes beats paying $5,000 in health insurance premiums, it is an insult to the American people.

The core of Clinton’s realpolitik brief pertains not to electability but to governance. Her point is that Sanders is naïve. She says none of his proposals can get though a Republican Congress. She strongly implies that he’d roll back Obamacare, a charge that is false, cynical and so nonsensical she’ll have to stop making it soon. She says she has a plan to get to universal health care—she doesn’t—and that she’ll do it by working “in partnership” with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Who’s being naïve here? A Republican Congress won’t pass any of her ideas either. The only way to get real change is to elect Democrats to Congress and have a grass-roots movement strong enough to keep the heat on them. Nor will insurers cough up a dime of profit without a fight. Vowing to spare us a “contentious debate” over single-payer care she ignores the admonition of Frederick Douglas; “Power concedes nothing without demand. It never did and it never will.” There has been a lot of talk lately about what a progressive is. Here’s a hint: if you think Douglas is wrong, you might not be one.

...

One way to sum up the case he’s trying to make might be as follows. In the 1990s a near bipartisan consensus celebrated a new age of globalization and information technology in which technology and trade spur growth that in turn fosters a broad and inclusive prosperity. Government’s job is to deregulate finance and trade and work with business in ‘public private partnerships’ for progress.

Twenty years on, Hillary still sees the world through the rose-colored glasses of that ’90s consensus. Not Bernie. He sees that in 2016 rising tides don’t even lift most boats, that growth comes at a steep price when it comes at all, and that new technology cost more jobs than it creates. He understands that when jobs flow to countries with weak governments and low wages, the American middle class can’t get a raise. He sees that public-private partnership meant pay-to-play politics, and that the whole system runs not on innovation but corruption. My guess is the middle class sees what he sees and wants what he wants: a revolution. If he can continue to drive the debate, they may get one.


http://www.salon.com/2016/02/07/its_almost_over_for_hillary_this_election_is_a_mass_insurrection_against_a_rigged_system/



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Almost Over For Hillary: This election is a mass insurrection against a rigged system By Bill Curry (Original Post) Nanjeanne Feb 2016 OP
"Here’s a hint: if you think Douglas is wrong, you might not be one." Fumesucker Feb 2016 #1
+1 daleanime Feb 2016 #7
"Please stop those shenanigans -- and thank-you for the fees" is Akamai Feb 2016 #32
K/R UglyGreed Feb 2016 #2
Well worth the read, especially for those who are wondering why HRC is stumbling Android3.14 Feb 2016 #3
It really is. This paragraph summed it up for me. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #31
I have felt this. Clinton supporters here are trying to Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #132
Hillary: "a world-class verbal gymnast" Ino Feb 2016 #4
And there we all thought Bill was the cunning linguist of the family. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #30
Careful. OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #45
Nice call n/t gelsdorf Feb 2016 #46
I had a boss in the mortgage industry chervilant Feb 2016 #47
Is 'cunning' an insult now too? Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #159
Good read. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #5
I'm noticing the case for Bernie is being made in fewer and fewer words - it's just that obvious! reformist2 Feb 2016 #6
I'd rather see Bernie be the next president Mbrow Feb 2016 #9
Sanders POTUS and Warren as Treasury Sec... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #12
I would put Warren at the Fed, and hire Richard Wolfe (sp) to run treasury. Volaris Feb 2016 #19
I agree, FED would be even better for Elizabeth TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #21
Hasn't Bernie already mentioned NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #36
Not sure, but if so that would also be a wise decision Volaris Feb 2016 #70
Reich was Labor Sec under Bill. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #116
He tried. hifiguy Feb 2016 #121
He got NAFTA passed. That was his main priority and he didn't need to stay after that. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #146
He pushed, shoved, and did everything else he could to get NAFTA passed. pnwmom Feb 2016 #145
Reich did have a big hand in NAFTA Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #156
Exactly - Plenty of qualified progressive women... Yurovsky Feb 2016 #10
We could have majorities in Congress again, if only we dump the Third Way, NeoCon types. reformist2 Feb 2016 #11
Hear Hear ... The DLC method has worn out it's welcome ... Trajan Feb 2016 #86
I hate to say this but VP is a weak spot... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #13
I agree on the real power argument... Yurovsky Feb 2016 #22
If we're gonna start focusing on age Plucketeer Feb 2016 #51
VP was not a weak spot for Cheney. Also... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #35
Cheney was the real president in power for 6 of the 8 years. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #135
^^^This. artislife Feb 2016 #99
Kamala has committed to running for Barbara Boxer's Senate seat I believe. eom Cleita Feb 2016 #118
that would be great! shanti Feb 2016 #126
We only have 20 women in the Senate. Not plenty. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #147
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #148
Your answer is appalling on a Democratic site. pnwmom Feb 2016 #149
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #150
Unlike the former mayor of Wasilla, Hillary is extremely well qualified. pnwmom Feb 2016 #152
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #153
Saying women are shrill and cackle when they laugh are genuinely misogynistic comments. pnwmom Feb 2016 #154
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #155
Fewer & fewer words? Agreed pinebox Feb 2016 #40
It's what the Clintons do TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #80
I honestly think you're wrong. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #136
McGuire's antics are shady for sure... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #137
This is it for me: jomin41 Feb 2016 #8
Couldn't agree more. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #17
I care because Carolina Feb 2016 #142
Kick elias49 Feb 2016 #14
Lets see what it looks like post SC primaries and super tuesday :) workinclasszero Feb 2016 #15
Can always count on you SheenaR Feb 2016 #18
As usual, no comments on facts or substance! debunction.junction Feb 2016 #28
Who is being spiteful? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #73
The article raises worthy points. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #64
Interesting Quinnipiac poll right here humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #127
WOW what a fantastic article!! SPOT ON. Nail meet head. BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #16
Curry, being a former Clinton employee, makes this piece even better! These paragraphs hit a homerun in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #20
Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #72
Very good n/t TexasBushwhacker Feb 2016 #23
to borrow a line from Yogi Berra 4dsc Feb 2016 #24
Rep. Brenda Lawrence turbinetree Feb 2016 #25
LOL Metric System Feb 2016 #26
A keyboard with only two letters - no thinking required DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2016 #38
What more is there to say about an insulting and ridiculous article, especially given the Metric System Feb 2016 #43
Nothing you said had to do with the veracity of the article. cui bono Feb 2016 #60
Condescending bull, which is exactly what I've come to expect from Sanders supporters. Speaking of Metric System Feb 2016 #62
The irony of you saying my post was condescending seems to escape you cui bono Feb 2016 #65
Why should I waste my time addressing a hit piece written when only one state has voted? Metric System Feb 2016 #66
Why are you wasting your time NOT addressing it? cui bono Feb 2016 #67
Hey, you're the one who responded to my comment. Just move along. Metric System Feb 2016 #68
Oh, the irony... cui bono Feb 2016 #76
Give up, cui bono, Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #138
Are you telling me to throw out my new toy? cui bono Feb 2016 #141
I can not wait.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #91
Why? Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #133
Wishful thinking. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #139
There were folks saying he should drop out when he announced. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #105
Another brilliant analysis from a hill supporter. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #54
My reasoning is posted above. What's the point of expanding? Metric System Feb 2016 #59
Reasoning? I looked for it in vain. Ron Green Feb 2016 #96
Gee, thanks. This is exactly what I've come to expect from Sanders supporters. I have a degree Metric System Feb 2016 #100
Then point to your "reasoning" regarding this OP. Ron Green Feb 2016 #102
One state has voted. ONE. Why don't we wait and let the people vote before writing off either Metric System Feb 2016 #104
NH will almost certainly be a loss for Clinton, and her Iowa "win" Ron Green Feb 2016 #106
Please link to a post of yours where you used "reasoning". bvar22 Feb 2016 #128
Albright Put The First Nail In The Hillary Campaign Coffin scottie55 Feb 2016 #27
Can you explain to me why a well-qualified woman needs to be in a coffin? aquart Feb 2016 #39
Her Campaign Is Dying scottie55 Feb 2016 #44
It's like watching a dinosaur slowly sinking into a tar pit. hifiguy Feb 2016 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Feb 2016 #63
Nanjeanne ejbr Feb 2016 #29
Notable use of "realpolitik" - Kissinger's word. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #33
Hey good luck to you - but - OhZone Feb 2016 #34
We agree ejbr Feb 2016 #52
Oh well, oh well, oh well Wig Master Feb 2016 #75
I hardly think it looks great for Hillary. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #140
Wonderful article for Bernie Jarqui Feb 2016 #37
The Clintons have a shit list hifiguy Feb 2016 #123
Having experienced both, I honestly think the Clintons list is longer nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #124
Progress is made through change and not chance randr Feb 2016 #41
Cutting edge... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #84
K & R mountain grammy Feb 2016 #42
K & R Good expression of Bernie's key themes and why people are suppporting him. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #48
It will be interesting to see Dem2 Feb 2016 #49
Yeah? Good luck with that one. Beacool Feb 2016 #50
Is that all? ejbr Feb 2016 #53
I think that the ones playing the lottery are the Sanders' supporters. Beacool Feb 2016 #79
Says you ejbr Feb 2016 #89
OK, keep dreaming. Beacool Feb 2016 #92
... ejbr Feb 2016 #94
Ok. What is your prediction for a Hillary tenure -- All Gridlock and acrimony gone? Rilgin Feb 2016 #98
Regarding your second paragraph, Obama had enthusiastic voters behind him. He had email lists, Hoppy Feb 2016 #56
No, I didn't get letters from Obama. Beacool Feb 2016 #83
Student debt... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #87
No. That is why you announce a specific goal. Then tell them to get a "meet-up" at Rep. xxx's office Hoppy Feb 2016 #103
Yes, because someone elected in a Republican district is going to acquiesce Beacool Feb 2016 #115
He did nothing so instead, we got shit on. Hoppy Feb 2016 #157
The ACA cost the "Dinos" their Congressional seats. Beacool Feb 2016 #158
I like your input, Hoppy. grasswire Feb 2016 #143
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #134
great article. Thanks for the link. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #55
I would say that any fight that comes along Bernie and advisors will be able to handle. libdem4life Feb 2016 #57
Should the American people sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #58
I don't agree that "it's almost over for Hillary', but that's a great article. cyberswede Feb 2016 #61
Not sure about the headline... ljm2002 Feb 2016 #69
You mean Bill Curry? jhart3333 Feb 2016 #78
Thanks, corrected. n/t ljm2002 Feb 2016 #131
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #71
rec #160 840high Feb 2016 #93
Congress colsohlibgal Feb 2016 #74
Brilliant. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #77
Kickin for exposure. Thank you Nanjeanne. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #81
If Bernie doesn't win, the system is rigged treestar Feb 2016 #82
You've perfectly encapsulated the twisted logic. It's just like with endorsements. When groups and Metric System Feb 2016 #85
kind of like the polls too treestar Feb 2016 #88
Exactly! I honestly can't keep up with the twists and turns in determining what they consider legit. Metric System Feb 2016 #95
How come Hillary never speaks of having a democratic congress, like we're stuck with them forever. ViseGrip Feb 2016 #90
True. Even the worst estimates predict that the House will be in play for Dems by 2020. sorechasm Feb 2016 #108
Does Sanders speak about the need for a Democratic congress? randome Feb 2016 #111
We don't hear that from Bernie either treestar Feb 2016 #112
kick rec Teamster Jeff Feb 2016 #97
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Feb 2016 #101
The whole point is that we are not together. Beacool Feb 2016 #107
Simple Because Some Are Supporting The Wrong Candidate - The Corporate - Goldman Sachs Candidate cantbeserious Feb 2016 #109
because... antigop Feb 2016 #113
Not in the opinion of many Democrats. Beacool Feb 2016 #114
I've noticed a sense of general confusion among political insiders and establishment journos. pa28 Feb 2016 #110
... SidDithers Feb 2016 #117
That's a most excellent article, Curry nails it. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #119
She's running a 1990s campaign hifiguy Feb 2016 #120
I hope it is over for her, she is Dangerous. Agony Feb 2016 #125
Anybody who "pals around" with that terrorist and mass murder Kissinger... bvar22 Feb 2016 #129
it only gets worse… she pals around with tyrants and banksters while people get hurt and die Agony Feb 2016 #130
My guess is the middle class sees what he sees, wants what he wants:a revolution. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #144
Must not be very "rigged" Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2016 #151
 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
3. Well worth the read, especially for those who are wondering why HRC is stumbling
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:02 AM
Feb 2016

It's because Hillary is not representing the people, and the people are tired of pretending she does.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
31. It really is. This paragraph summed it up for me.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:31 AM
Feb 2016
That they don’t is a gift to Clinton. Sanders wants to talk about the fallen state of our politics, the fallen state of our middle class, and how the first fall caused the second. Clinton can’t have that discussion. Exposing her differences with Sanders on such topics would sink her. So she says she and he are alike in every way except she’s practical and electable—”a progressive who likes to get things done”–and he’s a hopeless dreamer. It’s the kind of argument political reporters were born to buy, and despite being full of holes, it works even among some non-journalists.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
132. I have felt this. Clinton supporters here are trying to
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:55 PM
Feb 2016

convince us that they are virtually the same person except he sells unicorns while she gives freely the hard truths for grownups.

It is bullshit. There is a real choice. I choose Bernie.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
30. And there we all thought Bill was the cunning linguist of the family. (n/t)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:29 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:02 PM - Edit history (1)

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
47. I had a boss in the mortgage industry
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:01 PM
Feb 2016

who thought that phrase was just hilarious. He ended up having to participate in the company's remedial program for sexual harassment.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
6. I'm noticing the case for Bernie is being made in fewer and fewer words - it's just that obvious!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:11 AM
Feb 2016

The only thing Hillary has left going for her is that she would be the first woman president. Woop-de-doo.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
12. Sanders POTUS and Warren as Treasury Sec...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:29 AM
Feb 2016

Amazing upgrade from fucking Tim Geithner. Bankers would be scared shitless with Warren at Treasury. And then when Bernie is ready to step aside she can run for POTUS, whether that is 4 years or 8 years. Would be a hell of a team.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
19. I would put Warren at the Fed, and hire Richard Wolfe (sp) to run treasury.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

At this point, I would appoint M.O'Malley to head the DNC, with a very specific order to re-implement the 50-state strategy for the midterms

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
21. I agree, FED would be even better for Elizabeth
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

FED Chairman arguably second most powerful person in the world, maybe even THE most powerful person in the world considering the control over interest rates, banking, etc.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
145. He pushed, shoved, and did everything else he could to get NAFTA passed.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:26 AM
Feb 2016

He wrote in his book how he convinced Bill to make it his first priority -- though Hillary wanted healthcare to be the first priority. And Reich acknowledged that after that, they had spent too much political capital and couldn't get the healthcare bill passed.

But Reich won his beloved NAFTA.

If you think that was good for labor.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
156. Reich did have a big hand in NAFTA
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:57 AM
Feb 2016

But Bill Clinton was also pushing it pretty hard. As was Lloyd Bentsen.

According to Reich's 2000 interview with Frontline:

Frontline: And then later, once, Kirkland was telling you guys that it (NAFTA) was going to be a "f-ing disaster," and you were going to come to regret it. You passed that on to the president. What was his reaction?

Reich: He (Bill Clinton) shrugged. He was willing to take on organized labor over the North American Free Trade Act. I think the real issue there was what kind of priority NAFTA should get. Should it be one of the highest priorities of the administration in those first years? Should he spend a lot of political capital on it? Should he delay health care in order to get NAFTA done first? And the first lady wanted health care first. She didn't want him to expend political capital on NAFTA. She was concerned, and in retrospect she was absolutely right, that if health care came after NAFTA, then health care might never get done. Already the momentum was building for some sort of universal health care. He had the political capital to get that done, but the business community was telling him NAFTA was more important. And Lloyd Bentsen, the most senior member of the cabinet, and a man of great insight and wisdom and experience to whom the president deferred quite a bit, Lloyd Bentsen was adamant. NAFTA must come first. In fact, I remember Lloyd banging his finger on the table, "We must get this done right away." And so the president decided that that was going to get the priority. My job was to deliver the news to organized labor. And that was not pleasant, but they knew it was coming.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/interviews/reich.html

Reich has since disavowed free trade. Yeah, it may be too late for NAFTA, but it's not too late for TPP.

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/950807244931872

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
10. Exactly - Plenty of qualified progressive women...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:23 AM
Feb 2016

HRC ain't one of them.

I'd love to see a Bernie-Warren ticket, but looking ahead, a Bernie-Kamala Harris ticket would be great inasmuch as it brings Harris to the national stage, would allow her to grow politically as VP, and provide the party with a viable (and younger) candidate for 2024 (I assume Bernie will be a 2-term POTUS).

Hillary being a woman, while important symbolically, is actually a step backwards. Much of her rise was merely riding Bill's coat tails. Millions of women don't have that luxury, like my single mom who worked her ass off in a male-dominated workplace to provide for her family. Hillary was little Miss Shortcuts, born on 3rd base and thinks she hit a triple.


DON'T SETTLE FOR DLC-DNC MANDATED STATUS QUO!!!

FEEL THE BERN!!!!!!

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
86. Hear Hear ... The DLC method has worn out it's welcome ...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

As if it were welcome to begin with ....

Given the poor state of the American middle class electorate, it is easy to see why Sanders is so popular ...

I would love to see a grand effort to promote liberal opponents to ALL the Reps and Sens who have declared support for TPP ...

Starting with Ron Wyden, the author of TPA and strong supporter of TPP, who has yet to provide any sort of mea culpa for this travesty of a trade pact .... He and the rest need to be shown the door ....

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
13. I hate to say this but VP is a weak spot...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

for someone as strong as Warren. VP is kind of a ceremonial job with very little power. I think she should be in a place where she can make a real difference: Treasury Secretary or Chairman of the Federal Reserve. Instead of a typical Wall Street executive in either of those jobs, we could have someone who understands all the tricks of the Federal Reserve and the Wall Street thugs. She would scare them shitless and she would stand up for us in that role, as would Bernie in the POTUS role of course. Then Elizabeth could run for POTUS when he is ready to step aside 4 years or 8 years down the road.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
22. I agree on the real power argument...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:10 AM
Feb 2016

But if Warren spends 8 years in the cabinet, she'll be 74. Not that I think that's too old (I'm voting for Bernie, after all), but that's making an assumption she'll have no health issues between now & then. I certainly hope that's the case, and she'd be a great POTUS. But having Harris as VP would allow her to learn and observe the workings of the WH & Congress firsthand, a valuable education for someone currently working as CA AG.

Then again, if Warren were the VP, Harris would be a great candidate to head the DOJ as AG. I'm very concerned about the long-term impact of GOP gerrymandering n the development of future Democrats for federal office. We've got to start prepping the next generation now, and working quickly to reverse the GOP's rigging of local, state, & congressional districts which have shrunk Democratic legislative numbers nationwide over the past 6 years.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
35. VP was not a weak spot for Cheney. Also...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016

...choice of VP may be more relevant than usual because of Bernie's age. If he does fall ill in the next 8 years, who would you prefer take his place, if not Warren?

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
135. Cheney was the real president in power for 6 of the 8 years.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:06 PM
Feb 2016

He could manipulate a dunce like McMonkey easily. That's why VP was not a weak spot for Cheney, he ran things in the background and let Drinky McDumbass take the credit for all the blunders and the very few successes in the first six years of the worst administration in US history.

Cheney took advantage of the fact that the Idiot In Chief was, well, an idiot.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
99. ^^^This.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016
Hillary being a woman, while important symbolically, is actually a step backwards. Much of her rise was merely riding Bill's coat tails. Millions of women don't have that luxury, like my single mom who worked her ass off in a male-dominated workplace to provide for her family. Hillary was little Miss Shortcuts, born on 3rd base and thinks she hit a triple.



She would be a lawyer, probably a well paid, maybe even have some national attention one but not where she is.

She is not a self made woman.

Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), 42, is one of several single lawmakers to have entered the House chamber this January, and she makes no apologies for her marital status.

http://thehill.com/capital-living/23922-a-spouse-who-needs-it

I own my own business and was networking with a very lauded and successful event planner. We were talking about a coaching program that we both had been exposed to. I would not be taking it as it was too expensive for me and she was going to. I was happy for her, because she could easily take it to the next level. In our conversation she let it be known that she wasn't taking a salary because all her money was going back into the business. Her husband's IT salary was paying for her basics and other items for living. I cut myself some slack knowing this. I am the only bread winner at my table. I can't spend 4 years not earning any money as I get my business to solvency. Hillary is similar. She got exposure to power makers by being the wife of a governor, then President. She has had the highest ladder of all the women in the Democratic Party.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
126. that would be great!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:47 PM
Feb 2016

too bad she isn't taking difi's seat instead. i always figured that she'd end up as governor, but maybe newsom has dibs on it first.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #147)

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
149. Your answer is appalling on a Democratic site.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:12 AM
Feb 2016

Women are the majority of the population, yet only 20% of the Senate.

And this is an all-time high.

There is no evidence that left-handers have been discriminated against in Congress or the political world. Left-handers weren't prevented from voting -- ever. Women only got the vote a hundred years ago, and they're still fighting for equal representation.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #149)

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
152. Unlike the former mayor of Wasilla, Hillary is extremely well qualified.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:21 AM
Feb 2016

She is a former Secretary of State and a two-term Senator of a large, diverse, state, where she was very popular. People are supporting her because of her qualifications and her proposed programs. Her gender is a bonus.

People who make comments on her laugh, her tone of voice, and other female characteristics are misogynists and don't belong here.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #152)

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
154. Saying women are shrill and cackle when they laugh are genuinely misogynistic comments.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:31 AM
Feb 2016

You claim to not understand that, but Bernie does. He said yesterday that he's disgusted with the use of this kind of language by his supporters.

You should listen to him.

Hillary's time as Secretary was NOT "riddled with scandals and failures." You're unmasking yourself with every comment you make.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #154)

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
40. Fewer & fewer words? Agreed
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:53 AM
Feb 2016

It's rather funny....also disturbing how they are trying to rebrand Hillary

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
80. It's what the Clintons do
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

They are masters of triangulation. I think she will likely win this thing but at least she is having to fight for it.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
136. I honestly think you're wrong.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary will not win this thing. A large number of Independents and Republicans are switching to Democrats because of Bernie.

I also honestly think that Bernie won Iowa. The party chair of the Democratic Party, Andrea McGuire, has a license plate on her car that reads 'HRC 2016'. She's refusing to release the voting data from Monday’s state caucuses. Biased much? It's very obvious why McGuire's refusing, because the numbers wouldn't match the totals for Sanders and Clinton, and she knows it. Hillary is not running an honest campaign, otherwise she would demand the release of the voting data, win or lose.

License plate on Andrea McGuire's car.


Feel The Bern!

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
137. McGuire's antics are shady for sure...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

But at the end of the day it was a very close race either way and it wasn't winner take all. Both campaigns received a good amount of delegates. Hopefully the fact that it was so close will lead to a more primary voting style for Iowa Democrats in the future. Caucuses seem outdated, especially for an extremely close election like this.

jomin41

(559 posts)
8. This is it for me:
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:14 AM
Feb 2016

"We are edging closer to the national conversation we so desperately need to have. If we get there, all credit goes to Bernie."

I actually don't care who gets the credit but I damn sure want this conversation. Now.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
142. I care because
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:04 AM
Feb 2016

HRC, candidate weathervane, will try to take credit for the nature of the debate.

Bernie deserves acknowledgement and yes, CREDIT for speaking truth to the entrenched, monied establishment and forcing the reluctant media and DLC/3rd way corrupted Democratic Party to have this discussion

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
73. Who is being spiteful?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

We are in the very beginning of the primaries.

Of course some folks would like to pretend that they are over already. Whatev

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
64. The article raises worthy points.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton initially rose back when trade agreements, global movement of capital, and dot coms were the future. Has her philosophy evolved? Whether she wins or loses the, a new policy mix is needed. Badly.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
20. Curry, being a former Clinton employee, makes this piece even better! These paragraphs hit a homerun
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:58 AM
Feb 2016
Sanders got bagged again in Iowa, this time by a state party chair, one Andrea McGuire. Like Schultz, McGuire’s specialty is high-dollar fund raising, and like Schultz she was deeply involved in Clinton’s 2008 campaign. Under the esoteric rules of the Iowa Democratic caucuses, and after a string of lucky coin tosses, Clinton eked out a 700.52 to 696.86 margin, not in votes cast but in a mysterious commodity known as “delegate equivalents.”

We’re electing a president, not the senior warden of a Mason’s lodge. All evidence indicates Sanders won the popular vote. It isn’t a minor point. If the public knew he won the only vote anybody understands or cares about, Clinton wouldn’t be “breathing a sigh of relief,” she’d be hyperventilating. McGuire refuses to release vote totals. She says keeping them a secret is an Iowa tradition. So what if it is? As with debates, the stakes transcend the candidates’ interests. In an editorial headlined “Something Smells in the Democratic Party,” the Des Moines Register, which endorsed Clinton prior to the caucuses, wrote:


What happened Monday night at the Democratic caucuses was a debacle, period… the refusal to undergo scrutiny or allow for an appeal reeks of autocracy.

Given that this entire election is a mass insurrection against a rigged system, one would think the national political press would share the Register’s concern, but it moved on to the next race with barely a backward glance. Throughout the campaign the press has been nearly as big an obstacle for Sanders as the party. Even jaded political junkies were startled when the Tyndall Report exposed the media blackout of Sanders. In 2015, ABC News devoted 261 minutes to the 2016 campaign. Donald Trump got 81 minutes. Bernie Sanders got 20 seconds. Nearly as harmful is the dismissive tone of the cable commentariat, and I don’t mean just Fox News.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
25. Rep. Brenda Lawrence
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

"This Brenda Lawrence, D-Southfield, said she was lobbied heavily by the White House on trade. But she said she couldn't back Obama on this vote. “This is about my district. This is about my core beliefs,” she said in an interview. “Trade agreements don’t go away.”


She is also a very big supporter of the United States Postal System and worked there for over 30 years.

Something that Bernie Sanders has been championing for a along, along time.

I fully suspect like Sanders that she knows that if the Post Offices were again allowed to be havens for banking and allowed to expand and update its operational requirements instead of the nefarious way of gutting and cutting funding, and by the way, the only institution in this country both private and public to pay for there pension for the next 75 years is absolutely outrageous and this law needs to be overturned, because it is bankrupting requirement and trying to overturn the Constitutional mandate that it must provide-for the country--------------now forcing these employees by placing this burden on there backs of making that this Institution would survive and continue to carry out its functions that the republicans and those that want to further the dismantling it for greed------------------- like they did in making Staples a postal system in some parts of the system today.

I nominate Brenda Lawrence, when Sanders gets the nomination


Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

It is about getting a Progressive President, U.S. Supreme Court ,Congress, State and Local Legislatures

Democracy begins with you-------------------tag your it

Democracy is not a specator sport----------------get involved





Metric System

(6,048 posts)
43. What more is there to say about an insulting and ridiculous article, especially given the
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

overwhelming number of Sanders supporters here? It's a waste of time and energy. I can only imagine the anger and resentment from Sanders supporters if an article was posted basically calling for him to drop out, when we're still so early in the voting process. See? I just wasted time writing this, because none of you give a shit.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
60. Nothing you said had to do with the veracity of the article.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:28 PM
Feb 2016

Your post is just a bunch of words that have nothing to do with facts, merely wishful thinking .

You wasted your time not because none of us give a shit, but because you failed to make a meaningful comment. And for that you have no one to blame but yourself.

You would have made a better argument by not having posted at all because your flailing betrays your desperation.

I wonder why you think there would even be an article calling for Sanders to drop out? Why on earth would that happen when he is gaining on Hillary every day? When he outraised her in the month of January? When he presumably won the popular vote in Iowa? And all with virtually no media coverage, and much of the little he got attacks from pundits and Hillary surrogates? When he is now going to start getting the exposure he deserves after his amazing results in Iowa?

.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
62. Condescending bull, which is exactly what I've come to expect from Sanders supporters. Speaking of
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

facts, this article and your post are based on wishful thinking, not facts. I can't wait for Sanders to lose and hopefully supporters like you will get tomb-stoned from DU. It can't come soon enough.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
65. The irony of you saying my post was condescending seems to escape you
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

So did I miss where you addressed the content of the piece? Perhaps it was covered up by your excuses and finger pointing.

.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
67. Why are you wasting your time NOT addressing it?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

Just like to throw out insults and argue about nothing? How is your participation in this thread a productive use of your time?

.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
138. Give up, cui bono,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary supporters are factually challenged. You throw facts at them and they'll swat them back with anything but the truth.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
141. Are you telling me to throw out my new toy?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:28 AM
Feb 2016

I was having so much fun. It did however finally break though, so this round is definitely done.



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Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
139. Wishful thinking.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary was up, nationally, by 40 percentage points. Now it's virtually a dead heat, with Sanders down by two points. Imagine that, Bernie erased 38 points on Clinton. And it's just starting. Feeling the heat?

I'm feeling the Bern!

Feel The Bern!

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
96. Reasoning? I looked for it in vain.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

You are writing as if you're in middle school. I'm not calling you a child, but your posts in this thread aren't those of an adult.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
100. Gee, thanks. This is exactly what I've come to expect from Sanders supporters. I have a degree
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:03 PM
Feb 2016

from one of the top universities in Canada, so I'm well past middle school. I think this kind of attack says more about you than it does about my intelligence or education.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
104. One state has voted. ONE. Why don't we wait and let the people vote before writing off either
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

candidate? I don't care about the points made in the article, because I reject the premise of the article. It's definitely not "almost over for Hillary."

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
106. NH will almost certainly be a loss for Clinton, and her Iowa "win"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

has come under a cloud. You're right that SC and NV will be different, but to equate the article's premise with calling Bernie to drop out because the current polls (remember the polls of a few months ago?) show him behind is to miss the point of momentum, change, hope for a new day. Isn't that what people want, instead of the same old stuff?

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
27. Albright Put The First Nail In The Hillary Campaign Coffin
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:25 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:57 AM - Edit history (1)

I am sure she didn't mean to.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
122. It's like watching a dinosaur slowly sinking into a tar pit.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:34 PM
Feb 2016

Furiously bellowing and futilely flailing. It ain't the 1990s anymore but HRH can't see that.

It's like the old Zen saying, when the student is ready the teacher will appear. And Bernie has very much appeared.

Response to aquart (Reply #39)

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
29. Nanjeanne
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:28 AM
Feb 2016

This is the most cogent, concise explanation of why Bernie makes sense that I have read thus far. Thank you!

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
34. Hey good luck to you - but -
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:37 AM
Feb 2016

you know there aren't millions of people waiting to see if a Socialist can win anything, like there were millions of people (of all colors) waiting to see if a black man could win in 2008. Bernie isn't Obama.

And we already know Bernie can win in places like Vermont and New Hampshire.


All the predictions for the coming states look great for Hillary.

But, I just don't want a Con in office.

Oh well.


ejbr

(5,856 posts)
52. We agree
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:41 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie isn't Obama ; where we disagree is why he is not. The people routing for Bernie understand it's about US, not him. This is why his poll numbers are steadily increasing. Even conservatives like him (another difference from Obama I might add), which should assuage your general election concerns. Hillary may be winning, but to presume victory in November with all her baggage and limited enthusiasm may actually be the unicorns and rainbows.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
140. I hardly think it looks great for Hillary.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016

As a matter of fact, it looks quite bad for her, considering her 32 points nationally have dwindled to just a 2 point lead.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/national-poll-republicans-democrats-218807

The Bern Is Applying Heat!

Feel The Bern!

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
37. Wonderful article for Bernie
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

Thanks for posting it.

Glad he mentioned the media screwing .. Trump gets 281 minutes on ABC (Stephanopoulos), Sanders 20 seconds.

Written by a past "White House counselor to President Clinton" .. oh, they'll be mad at him!!

randr

(12,412 posts)
41. Progress is made through change and not chance
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie represents and is at the cutting edge of change.
Hillary is were she is by chance.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
84. Cutting edge...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

74 year old on the cutting edge. Fancy that one...and to think he has held these views for 50+ years. Took a long time for society to catch up.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
48. K & R Good expression of Bernie's key themes and why people are suppporting him.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:06 PM
Feb 2016

Unfortunately Hillary is still living the 90s in many ways.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
50. Yeah? Good luck with that one.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

"The only way to get real change is to elect Democrats to Congress and have a grass-roots movement strong enough to keep the heat on them. Nor will insurers cough up a dime of profit without a fight. Vowing to spare us a “contentious debate” over single-payer care she ignores the admonition of Frederick Douglas; “Power concedes nothing without demand. It never did and it never will.” There has been a lot of talk lately about what a progressive is. Here’s a hint: if you think Douglas is wrong, you might not be one."

Obama had hoards of people come to his rallies. Did they uprise? Nope, and neither will Sanders' supporters once the election is over.

What happened after people Occupied Wall Street? Not that much.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
79. I think that the ones playing the lottery are the Sanders' supporters.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

His whole agenda is dependent on the Democrats having large numbers of liberals in Congress, who will be elected as a result of a hypothetical political revolution.

Actually, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than you do of having a revolution in this country, political or otherwise.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
89. Says you
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

You can't get what the people want by doing nothing or hoping in the better nature of others. This thing has just begun (my own prediction). I'll play the lottery than accept shit.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
92. OK, keep dreaming.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

If he, by some twist of fate manages to get elected president, we can continue with this discussion. I predict nothing but gridlock and acrimony, worse than what Obama faced during his tenure in office.

Rilgin

(787 posts)
98. Ok. What is your prediction for a Hillary tenure -- All Gridlock and acrimony gone?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

According to Hillary, she has been fighting the entrenched interests for years and is not part of the establishment. The post I just read acknowledged gridlock in that change will only come if we get the hard republicans out of office. If she has been fighting the Republicans, the entrenched interests and the establisment for years, is that not the same for anything Hillary would do or will gridlock fade and acrimony turn into kumbaya.

Please explain how that is different for Hillary?

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
56. Regarding your second paragraph, Obama had enthusiastic voters behind him. He had email lists,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:52 PM
Feb 2016

mailing addresses. He had the "bully pulpit." What did he do with any of that? NOTHING !

Did you get any communication from him asking for support on any issue? Single Payer --- did you get any communication from the White House asking you to call your senator or representative to support single payer --- explaining to you why it was a good idea?

I got nothing and so did you.


Occupy Wall Street --- maybe the Bernie campaign is a response and a result of the hope of O.W.S.


The choice is between Bernie or going from "Yes we can," to "No we can't and we won't because Wall Street paid me not to."

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
83. No, I didn't get letters from Obama.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:02 PM
Feb 2016

Even if Sanders keeps his voters' list going, I wouldn't trust on the majority of his current supporters to take to the streets to demand single payer, free college, etc. People move on and his young supporters will go back to finish school and then get jobs. I wouldn't rely on them, if I were him.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
87. Student debt...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

...is a huge problem in this country. It's something many kids won't be able to forget no matter how hard they try. It's not just kids either. People in their 30's and 40's are dealing with similar issues. Even Rubio has pandered to voters on this issue, so I think it crosses party lines.

I was fortunate enough to leave college with no debt. Huge blessing from my parents (we were not rich and I have no idea how they saved enough for it). Feel bad for a lot of other folks out there who were buried in debt coming out of school.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
103. No. That is why you announce a specific goal. Then tell them to get a "meet-up" at Rep. xxx's office
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:11 PM
Feb 2016

You give specific scripts and so forth.

Obama was elected so that is as far as it went. He met his goal. Balls to everybody else.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
115. Yes, because someone elected in a Republican district is going to acquiesce
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:02 PM
Feb 2016

to the wishes of Sanders' supporters gathering outside his/her office and flooding the phone lines.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
157. He did nothing so instead, we got shit on.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:45 AM
Feb 2016

The point is, people believed in Obama. They would have rallied to his requests for support. Instead, he made no effort to communicate to his supporters until '12.

His requests may have gotten nowhere with the Repukes but at least he would have tried. And who knows, maybe it would have swayed some of the Dino's who ended up fucking us over..Landrau, Testor and that kind of legislator.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
158. The ACA cost the "Dinos" their Congressional seats.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

Who replaced them? Not liberals, they came from conservative districts, that's why they were moderate in the first place. They were replaced mostly by members of the newly formed Tea Party. Thanks a lot libs. for trashing them into oblivion, now the Republicans have the largest majority in the House since 1929. All of you who spent two years trashing the Blue Dog Democrats got what you wanted, they are no longer in office, but only to be replaced by RW extremists that not even Boehner could control. That's what happens with dogmatic purists, they can't understand nuance and that sometimes there's a legitimate need for compromise.

Response to Beacool (Reply #50)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
57. I would say that any fight that comes along Bernie and advisors will be able to handle.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:03 PM
Feb 2016

That, of course, assumes "he's electable"...see polls against Republicans for weeks now.

There is a difference in bipartisanship and giving away the plot. One thing former administrations did not have was a fired up public who have not been represented by the Oligarchy. He has already shifted power...as he's coming out of national political nowhere, neck in neck with She Who Was Inevitable.

His coattails are already showing up in new, progressive, down ticket candidates who have never run. Bernie has fired them up with his leadership paving the way. I can see a very different 2018 with Bernie.

Yes, we can ... beats Nope any day.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
58. Should the American people
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

elect a democratic socialist, and should the Democratic Party take control of congress, the TPP die, NAFTA be repealed, the big banks broken up, the military budget slashed, taxes raised on the wealthy, tuition free public colleges become a reality, universal healthcare instituted, foreign tax havens taxed, Wall Street leashed,and carbon emissions drastically reduced,the US will remain the unquestioned imperial power on planet earth. The only thing that will change otherwise is that US power may begin acting to save global civilization rather than destroying it.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
61. I don't agree that "it's almost over for Hillary', but that's a great article.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

... Clinton’s left with two arguments, neither one pretty. One is that Sanders is too far left. Pundits dismiss his polls by repeating her “wait till the Republicans get ahold of him” line. And they’ll say what? That he’s old? Jewish? A socialist? Everybody already knows and anyone who’d even think of voting Democratic is already down with it or soon could be. The “socialist” tag needs explaining, but so do “corrupt” and “fascist.” Both parties’ frontrunners carry baggage. For my money, Bernie’s is the lightest. As for the notion that voters can’t see that paying $1,000 in taxes beats paying $5,000 in health insurance premiums, it is an insult to the American people.

and

Who’s being naïve here? A Republican Congress won’t pass any of her ideas either. ...Vowing to spare us a “contentious debate” over single-payer care she ignores the admonition of Frederick Douglas; “Power concedes nothing without demand. It never did and it never will.” There has been a lot of talk lately about what a progressive is. Here’s a hint: if you think Douglas is wrong, you might not be one.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
69. Not sure about the headline...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:42 PM - Edit history (1)

...but the article is full of good arguments, and it will definitely leave a mark.

I guess Bill Curry (not Bill Press, oops!) is not angling for a Cabinet position in a Hillary Presidency, should that occur!

These 3 paragraphs are really good:

The core of Clinton’s realpolitik brief pertains not to electability but to governance. Her point is that Sanders is naïve. She says none of his proposals can get though a Republican Congress. She strongly implies that he’d roll back Obamacare, a charge that is false, cynical and so nonsensical she’ll have to stop making it soon. She says she has a plan to get to universal health care—she doesn’t—and that she’ll do it by working “in partnership” with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Who’s being naïve here? A Republican Congress won’t pass any of her ideas either. The only way to get real change is to elect Democrats to Congress and have a grass-roots movement strong enough to keep the heat on them. Nor will insurers cough up a dime of profit without a fight. Vowing to spare us a “contentious debate” over single-payer care she ignores the admonition of Frederick Douglas; “Power concedes nothing without demand. It never did and it never will.” There has been a lot of talk lately about what a progressive is. Here’s a hint: if you think Douglas is wrong, you might not be one.

Clinton’s last argument concerns loyalty. Throughout 2015 she sniped at Obama from the right while relegating Bill to the sidelines. Last month, seeing her lead slip away, she wrapped herself in political and family connections, as if hoping to gain the White House as a legacy admission. Analysts say Sanders drove her to the left. It’s partly but only superficially true. Lately he has driven her to the status quo, a bad place to be in 2016.

jhart3333

(332 posts)
78. You mean Bill Curry?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

Although I don't think Bill Press is likely to get a cabinet post with Hillary either!

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
71. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

The issues Bernie wants to address are critically important to the people of the nation. Critically important.

We can't continue to play nice with the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry because they are killing us in the name of profit. Baby steps won't work.

We are in a similar situation with the Wall Street pirates. The status quo is destroying the nation.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
74. Congress
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie has shocked the conventional wisdom of politics as usual. He has taken on the increasingly crazy republicans and the Neo democrats who have controlled the nation since Bill Clinton.

He is a candidate telling it like it is. If he can get elected maybe he can inspire people to vote in a progressive congress. Then here we go!

Nothing new historically either, things so far seem to recycle about every 60-70 years, the approximate length of collective memory. People somehow forget they get the shaft when we enter a robber baron era.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
82. If Bernie doesn't win, the system is rigged
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

Let's say he wins in NH. That is the only state that isn't rigged?

If the system is so well rigged, Bernie's not going to win. Maybe he will have to start a real revolution with guns and all that?

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
85. You've perfectly encapsulated the twisted logic. It's just like with endorsements. When groups and
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

politicians endorse Hillary, Sanders and his supporters say it's because they're part of the establishment. However, when groups and politicians endorse Sanders, Sanders and his supporters say have no qualms.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
88. kind of like the polls too
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

they show Hillary ahead, they are corporate owned and bought and paid for and rigged and don't poll cell phone users - find Bernie doing well in one, and it counts and is honest,etc.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
90. How come Hillary never speaks of having a democratic congress, like we're stuck with them forever.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

Very weird. We hear ZERO about other races, perhaps a new house or getting back the senate, and then YES WE CAN.

We don't hear that from Hillary. Is always, we live under republican rule, bad rule, and that's the end of it. It's not. Don't forget our job goes beyond electing a president, and I'll bet Bernie leads the way there on the trail too! He is the only one that speaks of building coalitions anywhere.

sorechasm

(631 posts)
108. True. Even the worst estimates predict that the House will be in play for Dems by 2020.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:23 PM
Feb 2016

A large voter turnout in 2016 could up those odds considerably.

By contrast, a low voter turnout (due to another brewing Clinton scandal?), would condemn the House to the GOP well beyond 2020.

'We live under Republican rule' is another way of saying 'No we can't'.
Who needs voter suppression when the candidates suppress enthusiasm as much as Hillary.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
111. Does Sanders speak about the need for a Democratic congress?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:34 PM
Feb 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

treestar

(82,383 posts)
112. We don't hear that from Bernie either
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:48 PM
Feb 2016

And Hillary has campaigned with down race people and raised money for them (oh so corrupt). Bernie is just counting on "The People" who never pay attention after elections anyway.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
101. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

eom

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
107. The whole point is that we are not together.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:22 PM
Feb 2016

Heck, look at the battles we are having right here on a Democratic site. Now increase that exponentially in the real world.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
113. because...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

1) Some people benefit from the status quo.
2) Some people haven't been burned (yet) by the status quo.
3) Some don't understand what is really going on in this country (thank you, MSM!)
4) Some just want a female prez soooo badly.
5) Some combination of the above.

Oh, they'll say HRC is "qualified", but the truth is...one of the above applies.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
110. I've noticed a sense of general confusion among political insiders and establishment journos.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:29 PM
Feb 2016

"What's going on here" and "why is this happening" seem to be questions that come up over and over again. They might want to read this article if they really are interested in understanding.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
120. She's running a 1990s campaign
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

in the 21st century. And she was never a great candidate to start with. She tends to be stiff and brittle, over-rehearsed and completely lacks spontanaeity.

Furthermore she has the common touch of Marie Antoinette and the humility of Napoleon.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
129. Anybody who "pals around" with that terrorist and mass murder Kissinger...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

..is indeed DANGEROUS.
Just ask the Millions who have died in Iraq, Libya, and Honduras.
Oh, wait.
We can't ask them, because they are DEAD,
but many hundreds of thousands were just severely injured for life.
We can ask them.


If that creepy old mass murderer ever touched me, I would melt like the witch from the Wizard of Oz.
Just like the blood on their hands, I would never be able to wash it off.
Brrrr...creeps me out just thinking about it.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
130. it only gets worse… she pals around with tyrants and banksters while people get hurt and die
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:19 PM
Feb 2016

Hondouras Coup Meister
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html

Banksters that enrich themselves while people suffer
http://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/water-woes-and-the-swaps-swamp/Content?oid=2214702
while she is parading as a pretender in Flint. She doesn't have the vision to see that american cities desperately need federal investment in infrastructure, not just Flint.


She can't bring herself to vote to simply ban cluster munitions in populated areas.

She is a foreign policy disaster.

She is NOT leadership.

She is AFRAID of turning in the hard new (old) direction that people need leadership for.

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