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People freaking out about Albright (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2016 OP
And the context was abortion a few days ago. Also many misquoted MA--adding riversedge Feb 2016 #1
you mean people here lied about what she said dsc Feb 2016 #4
NO, it was the OP used a title that was wrong and another thing-the context was abortion.. riversedge Feb 2016 #21
Here's the exact quote. jeff47 Feb 2016 #14
Yes. The prior sentence makes the phrase about voting for Hillary Clinton. Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #18
You forgot the context..... riversedge Feb 2016 #22
The context was: if you don't support Hillary you deserve a special place in hell. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #26
It is you with a reading comprehension problem. But I know riversedge Feb 2016 #37
And every other person who called you out on your Rovian spin, right? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #40
"Women who don't help each other..." She's not talking to men, so that leaves only one other libdem4life Feb 2016 #28
Context so important that you couldn't quote it. jeff47 Feb 2016 #29
That figures, No wonder the people who made a cup of coffee a status symbol for Yuppies, took orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #2
women helping women bigtree Feb 2016 #3
Pop stars helping Politicians . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #6
Like Foster the People and Red Hot Chili Peppers? Metric System Feb 2016 #11
Like Susan Sarandon. orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #12
Susan Sarandon is an ARTIST, not a pop star Wig Master Feb 2016 #25
I agree . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #44
oh like Killer Mike riversedge Feb 2016 #23
Killer Mike is a BLM activist too. Nice try. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #31
LOL riversedge Feb 2016 #38
What's funny? Perhaps you'd like to refute the point instead of giggling? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #41
+ 1000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #45
I wonder if Bernie were to win and he were to face Condi Rice in the general election... cascadiance Feb 2016 #30
Stop it. She was talking about abortion, so if she was supporting Bernie she would all american girl Feb 2016 #43
Here's the context the OP left out. jeff47 Feb 2016 #15
There you go again, you and your pesky facts. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #32
Damn facts and their anti-Clinton bias! (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #34
Even when she was SOS zalinda Feb 2016 #5
Being an oppurtunist Hillary will usirp womenhood, while not being Tammy Wynette . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #9
Here's another Albright quote for you. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #7
I give zero figs about the usual rending of the vestments if it favors Hillary. Beacool Feb 2016 #8
Yes, she's said it before. Here's what she said this time. jeff47 Feb 2016 #16
haha of course Albright is campaigning for Hillary. Where have you been? riversedge Feb 2016 #39
What a lovely non-sequitur. jeff47 Feb 2016 #42
Who the fuck cares if it's new? Context is everything my friend. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #10
What if the woman is a crook/liar/cheater/warmonger? gyroscope Feb 2016 #13
What if the person saying the line excuses the deaths of 500k women? jeff47 Feb 2016 #17
and some of those were female children restorefreedom Feb 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Wig Master Feb 2016 #27
Using that quote in the context of stumping for HRC was a big misstep. cyberswede Feb 2016 #19
Well then by all means I expect to see Albright campaigning for Carly Fiorina. jillan Feb 2016 #20
I was about to say the same thing. JRLeft Feb 2016 #35
The age of the quote doesn't matter. The context she used it in while Autumn Feb 2016 #33
In this context, it was just wrong. TDale313 Feb 2016 #36

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
1. And the context was abortion a few days ago. Also many misquoted MA--adding
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:04 AM
Feb 2016

helping Hillary at the end of the phase--instead as the phase says---helping other women

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
21. NO, it was the OP used a title that was wrong and another thing-the context was abortion..
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016



From the Guardian......


**** “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!” The OP and

Guardian misquote Albright's quote.*************


NOTE***the title of the Guardian contradicts the actual story!!




Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton



Tom McCarthy in Concord, New Hampshire
@TeeMcSee

Saturday 6 February 2016 15.36 EST


Former secretary of state Madeleine Albright introduced Hillary Clinton at an event in New Hampshire on Saturday, telling the crowd and voters in general: “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”..............



Also--the context of the quote was abortion rights and the upcoming SC nominees:





....Albright was the first woman to be secretary of state and served during the presidency of Clinton’s husband, Bill. She closed her New Hampshire speech with an allusion to the ongoing struggle with Republicans over abortion rights.

“Young women have to support Hillary Clinton. The story is not over!” she said. “They’re going to want to push us back. Appointments to the supreme court make all the difference.

“It’s not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.”.................


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
14. Here's the exact quote.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016
It’s not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.

Is your claim that listeners would forget about the first two sentences when they got to the third?

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
18. Yes. The prior sentence makes the phrase about voting for Hillary Clinton.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

It doesn't matter that Albright has used that phrase before. She was using the phrase in this context to say women who don't vote for Hillary Clinton will burn in Hell.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
22. You forgot the context.....
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016




Lets get this Albright story right

2 things:

First: Many are quoting the headline of Guardian-"Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton"-which was wrong--trying to sensationalize the story I suspect
The actual story says---

**** “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”

So the OP out in gd-p (think there are several) misquotes Albright's quote.*************

Also Point # 2
NOTE***the title of the Guardian contradicts the actual story!!


This was the headline from the Guardian:
Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton



Tom McCarthy in Concord, New Hampshire
@TeeMcSee

Saturday 6 February 2016 15.36 EST


Former secretary of state Madeleine Albright introduced Hillary Clinton at an event in New Hampshire on Saturday, telling the crowd and voters in general: “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”..............


Also--the context of the quote was abortion rights and the upcoming SC nominees:




....Albright was the first woman to be secretary of state and served during the presidency of Clinton’s husband, Bill. She closed her New Hampshire speech with an allusion to the ongoing struggle with Republicans over abortion rights.

“Young women have to support Hillary Clinton. The story is not over!” she said. “They’re going to want to push us back. Appointments to the supreme court make all the difference.

“It’s not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.”.................


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. The context was: if you don't support Hillary you deserve a special place in hell.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

You can try to spin it all you want but nobody's buying what you're selling.

Gloria and Madeleine fucked up by implying that women who don't support Hillary aren't feminists.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
37. It is you with a reading comprehension problem. But I know
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:48 PM
Feb 2016

that even trying to reason with you is worthless. So bye

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
40. And every other person who called you out on your Rovian spin, right?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:53 PM
Feb 2016

It didn't work yesterday and it won't work today.

Time to admit she screwed up and move on, it happens.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
28. "Women who don't help each other..." She's not talking to men, so that leaves only one other
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

alternative...for the nit-pickers among us. That's not even nuanced or subtle.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. Context so important that you couldn't quote it.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

How odd.

I quoted the relevant paragraph in her speech. At best, it heavily implies women who do not vote for Clinton are going to hell.

Your claim is the context excuses it...but then you go on to the Guardian article instead of actually quoting the context that excuses it.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
2. That figures, No wonder the people who made a cup of coffee a status symbol for Yuppies, took
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

a quote from a Yuppie with status, no big deal . Gloria saying what she said is amusing coming from a person who when she was young, was an independent thinker.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
41. What's funny? Perhaps you'd like to refute the point instead of giggling?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

I can't wait to watch you try to disparage KM.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
30. I wonder if Bernie were to win and he were to face Condi Rice in the general election...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

I know that isn't going to happen, since Rice isn't running, but would Madeline Albright tell women to vote for Condi Rice?

Hey, not only would Rice be the women running in that instance, but Condi Rice wouldn't have been SOS for Bush if it weren't for Madeline Albright's father talking Rice in to switching from a music major at University of Denver to train in international studies there which set her up for that job later, much as her dad's experience helped Madeline Albright for that job.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
43. Stop it. She was talking about abortion, so if she was supporting Bernie she would
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:27 PM
Feb 2016

probably have use the same quote that she has been saying forever....the same quote I have seen here that everyone loved. Jesus, why do you take something and make it ugly? This is so crazy. Mentoring a young woman....stupid me, I thought that was a good thing....even if she ends up on the other side. Another person who should have had a TARDIS so they could make sure she ended up being the "right" kind of woman.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. Here's the context the OP left out.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:09 PM
Feb 2016
It’s not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.


Albright has used the "special place" line before. This time, she used it to campaign for Clinton.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
5. Even when she was SOS
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

many didn't know who Albright was. I knew who she was, but had no idea about the quote. I can't afford Starbucks, which is why I never heard it before.

Young women are probably in the same boat, they may know who Albright was, but not the quote. Saying the quote while at a Hillary rally only twisted the quote into a campaign slogan, and a pretty poor one at that.

The more Hillary makes this election about being a woman, the more she is going to turn off the younger generation. The younger generation already see themselves as equal.

Z

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
7. Here's another Albright quote for you.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

"What's the point of you saving this superb military for, Colin, if we can't use it?"

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
8. I give zero figs about the usual rending of the vestments if it favors Hillary.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Madeline has been saying that since the 90s. She's says it in reference to women being supportive of other women, it's not just about Hillary. It's about helping to advance women as a whole.



jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. Yes, she's said it before. Here's what she said this time.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016
It’s not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.

The fact that she has used the same line before does not change that this time she used it to campaign for Clinton.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
42. What a lovely non-sequitur.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

Previous poster: "She's said it before. It's not about Clinton!"
Me: "This time, she said it about Clinton"
You: "Of course she said it about Clinton!"

You're free to correct Beacool.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. What if the person saying the line excuses the deaths of 500k women?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

Albright has excused the deaths in Iraq during her time as SoS, and her efforts to block any response to genocide in Rwanda.

Assuming a 50-50 split on victims, that's around 500k women.

Response to jeff47 (Reply #17)

jillan

(39,451 posts)
20. Well then by all means I expect to see Albright campaigning for Carly Fiorina.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

She definitely needs some help in the polls.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
33. The age of the quote doesn't matter. The context she used it in while
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

campaigning for Hillary reflects badly on Albright. Should we apply that to all women, like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Jean Schmidt and other republican women? Sorry but I don't do double standards. Had any republican woman said something like that Democrats would all be up in arms over it.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
36. In this context, it was just wrong.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:29 PM
Feb 2016

Spin all you want- I'm aware she's said it many many times. How she said it here- the implication was crystal clear. Those of us who are female and not supporting Hillary belong in a special level of hell. That kind of crap usually comes from Republicans.

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