2016 Postmortem
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Jesse Lehrich ?@JesseLehrichpeeps freaking out about that Madeleine Albright quote:
It's not new -- it was literally on a Starbucks cup.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)helping Hillary at the end of the phase--instead as the phase says---helping other women
dsc
(52,162 posts)get me my fainting couch.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)From the Guardian......
**** Theres a special place in hell for women who dont help each other! The OP and
Guardian misquote Albright's quote.*************
NOTE***the title of the Guardian contradicts the actual story!!
Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton
Tom McCarthy in Concord, New Hampshire
@TeeMcSee
Saturday 6 February 2016 15.36 EST
Former secretary of state Madeleine Albright introduced Hillary Clinton at an event in New Hampshire on Saturday, telling the crowd and voters in general: Theres a special place in hell for women who dont help each other!..............
Also--the context of the quote was abortion rights and the upcoming SC nominees:
....Albright was the first woman to be secretary of state and served during the presidency of Clintons husband, Bill. She closed her New Hampshire speech with an allusion to the ongoing struggle with Republicans over abortion rights.
Young women have to support Hillary Clinton. The story is not over! she said. Theyre going to want to push us back. Appointments to the supreme court make all the difference.
Its not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, theres a special place in hell for women who dont help each other..................
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Is your claim that listeners would forget about the first two sentences when they got to the third?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)It doesn't matter that Albright has used that phrase before. She was using the phrase in this context to say women who don't vote for Hillary Clinton will burn in Hell.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Lets get this Albright story right
2 things:
First: Many are quoting the headline of Guardian-"Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton"-which was wrong--trying to sensationalize the story I suspect
The actual story says---
**** Theres a special place in hell for women who dont help each other!
So the OP out in gd-p (think there are several) misquotes Albright's quote.*************
Also Point # 2
NOTE***the title of the Guardian contradicts the actual story!!
This was the headline from the Guardian:
Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton
Tom McCarthy in Concord, New Hampshire
@TeeMcSee
Saturday 6 February 2016 15.36 EST
Former secretary of state Madeleine Albright introduced Hillary Clinton at an event in New Hampshire on Saturday, telling the crowd and voters in general: Theres a special place in hell for women who dont help each other!..............
Also--the context of the quote was abortion rights and the upcoming SC nominees:
....Albright was the first woman to be secretary of state and served during the presidency of Clintons husband, Bill. She closed her New Hampshire speech with an allusion to the ongoing struggle with Republicans over abortion rights.
Young women have to support Hillary Clinton. The story is not over! she said. Theyre going to want to push us back. Appointments to the supreme court make all the difference.
Its not done and you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, theres a special place in hell for women who dont help each other..................
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You can try to spin it all you want but nobody's buying what you're selling.
Gloria and Madeleine fucked up by implying that women who don't support Hillary aren't feminists.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)that even trying to reason with you is worthless. So bye
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It didn't work yesterday and it won't work today.
Time to admit she screwed up and move on, it happens.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)alternative...for the nit-pickers among us. That's not even nuanced or subtle.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)How odd.
I quoted the relevant paragraph in her speech. At best, it heavily implies women who do not vote for Clinton are going to hell.
Your claim is the context excuses it...but then you go on to the Guardian article instead of actually quoting the context that excuses it.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)a quote from a Yuppie with status, no big deal . Gloria saying what she said is amusing coming from a person who when she was young, was an independent thinker.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...what an original thought.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Wig Master
(95 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I can't wait to watch you try to disparage KM.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)I know that isn't going to happen, since Rice isn't running, but would Madeline Albright tell women to vote for Condi Rice?
Hey, not only would Rice be the women running in that instance, but Condi Rice wouldn't have been SOS for Bush if it weren't for Madeline Albright's father talking Rice in to switching from a music major at University of Denver to train in international studies there which set her up for that job later, much as her dad's experience helped Madeline Albright for that job.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)probably have use the same quote that she has been saying forever....the same quote I have seen here that everyone loved. Jesus, why do you take something and make it ugly? This is so crazy. Mentoring a young woman....stupid me, I thought that was a good thing....even if she ends up on the other side. Another person who should have had a TARDIS so they could make sure she ended up being the "right" kind of woman.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Albright has used the "special place" line before. This time, she used it to campaign for Clinton.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)zalinda
(5,621 posts)many didn't know who Albright was. I knew who she was, but had no idea about the quote. I can't afford Starbucks, which is why I never heard it before.
Young women are probably in the same boat, they may know who Albright was, but not the quote. Saying the quote while at a Hillary rally only twisted the quote into a campaign slogan, and a pretty poor one at that.
The more Hillary makes this election about being a woman, the more she is going to turn off the younger generation. The younger generation already see themselves as equal.
Z
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)"What's the point of you saving this superb military for, Colin, if we can't use it?"
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Madeline has been saying that since the 90s. She's says it in reference to women being supportive of other women, it's not just about Hillary. It's about helping to advance women as a whole.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The fact that she has used the same line before does not change that this time she used it to campaign for Clinton.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Previous poster: "She's said it before. It's not about Clinton!"
Me: "This time, she said it about Clinton"
You: "Of course she said it about Clinton!"
You're free to correct Beacool.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)are other women required to support her?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Albright has excused the deaths in Iraq during her time as SoS, and her efforts to block any response to genocide in Rwanda.
Assuming a 50-50 split on victims, that's around 500k women.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but...war mongers gotta monger....or something.
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cyberswede
(26,117 posts)It looks awful.
jillan
(39,451 posts)She definitely needs some help in the polls.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Autumn
(45,107 posts)campaigning for Hillary reflects badly on Albright. Should we apply that to all women, like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Jean Schmidt and other republican women? Sorry but I don't do double standards. Had any republican woman said something like that Democrats would all be up in arms over it.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Spin all you want- I'm aware she's said it many many times. How she said it here- the implication was crystal clear. Those of us who are female and not supporting Hillary belong in a special level of hell. That kind of crap usually comes from Republicans.