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riversedge

(70,242 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:38 PM Feb 2016

‏@PolitiFact Bill Clinton: Glass-Steagall repeal had nothing to do with financial crisis







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Bill Clinton: Glass-Steagall repeal had nothing to do with financial crisis http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/19/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-glass-steagall-had-nothing-do-financi/
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.............Clinton said, "There's not a single, solitary example that" signing the bill to end Glass-Steagall "had anything to do with the financial crash."

By focusing on the bill that officially repealed Glass-Steagall, Clinton's statement ignores the fact that the demise of Glass-Steagall took place over decades, amid a deregulatory push in which the Clinton administration played a role. By the time the law to repeal hit his desk, Glass-Steagall had been whittled down so much that it wasn’t very meaningful. It's a matter of debate how much of a role the overall demise of Glass-Steagall had in causing the financial crisis, but we couldn't find any economists who argue that the regulation was the sole linchpin keeping the financial system stable until its official repeal in 1999. Overall, we rate Clinton’s claim Mostly True.





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Clinton introduces former congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords – and herself – in Manchester on Wednesday. Photograph: Michael Reynolds/EPA
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‏@PolitiFact Bill Clinton: Glass-Steagall repeal had nothing to do with financial crisis (Original Post) riversedge Feb 2016 OP
Elizabeth Warren: Glass-Steagall repeal is a 'symbol.' wyldwolf Feb 2016 #1
Warren is right. Floridanow Feb 2016 #8
Paul Krugman backs Hillary's plan. 'Nuff said. oasis Feb 2016 #2
Progressives disagree. earthside Feb 2016 #3
As has been posted on this site before with link Jarqui Feb 2016 #4
Dodd-Frank replaced Glass-Stegall. Floridanow Feb 2016 #9
Glass-Steagall prevented a classic conflict of interest that any side of the aisle can blatantly see Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #5
Thank you Jefferson23. elias49 Feb 2016 #7
You're very welcome and back at ya, elias. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #12
Dodd-Frank has replaced Glass-Stegall. Floridanow Feb 2016 #10
It's not strong enough, lacks the necessary teeth that Glass-Stegall had and yes Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #11
Bill Clinton is right. Floridanow Feb 2016 #6

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
1. Elizabeth Warren: Glass-Steagall repeal is a 'symbol.'
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

it is an easy issue for the public to understand and “you can build public attention behind.” But it it wouldn’t have prevented the financial crisis.

 

Floridanow

(74 posts)
8. Warren is right.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

Derivatives brought down the world economy in 2008. Glass-Stegall didn't deal with or regulate derivatives, in fact Glass-Stegall would have made the problem worse because it would created many investment houses that would invest exclusively in derivatives.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
3. Progressives disagree.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:56 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton is not one of us.

Five Reasons Glass-Steagall Matters
November 17, 2015 - Campaign for America's Future

The investment banker community thanks Hillary and Bill Clinton for their support.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
4. As has been posted on this site before with link
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

Elizabeth Warren did not blame the 2008 crisis on the removal of Glass-Steagall but she did not dismiss it as a factor

Warren wants it back for good reason.

Hillary doesn't so vote Bernie if you agree with Elizabeth!

 

Floridanow

(74 posts)
9. Dodd-Frank replaced Glass-Stegall.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

Dodd-Frank is more modern legislation that deals with derivatives. Clinton not only want control on banks and on derivatives.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. Glass-Steagall prevented a classic conflict of interest that any side of the aisle can blatantly see
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:28 PM
Feb 2016

2013

Bio

William K. Black, author of The Best Way to Rob a Bank is to Own One, teaches economics and law at the University of Missouri Kansas City (UMKC). He was the Executive Director of the Institute for Fraud Prevention from 2005-2007. He has taught previously at the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin and at Santa Clara University, where he was also the distinguished scholar in residence for insurance law and a visiting scholar at the Markkula Center for Applied Ethics.

Black was litigation director of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, deputy director of the FSLIC, SVP and general counsel of the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, and senior deputy chief counsel, Office of Thrift Supervision. He was deputy director of the National Commission on Financial Institution Reform, Recovery and Enforcement.

Black developed the concept of "control fraud" frauds in which the CEO or head of state uses the entity as a "weapon." Control frauds cause greater financial losses than all other forms of property crime combined. He recently helped the World Bank develop anti-corruption initiatives and served as an expert for OFHEO in its enforcement action against Fannie Mae's former senior management.
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Why the Right Should Support the Return of Glass-SteagallJAISAL NOOR, TRNN PRODUCER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I'm Jaisal Noor in Baltimore. And welcome to this latest edition of The Black Financial and Fraud Report.

Now joining us is Bill Black. He's an associate professor of economics and law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. He's a white-collar criminologist, a former financial regulator, author of The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One, and he's a regular contributor to The Real News.

Thank you so much for joining us, Bill.

BILL BLACK, ASSOC. PROF. ECONOMICS AND LAW, UMKC: Thank you.

NOOR: So, Bill, senators Elizabeth Warren and John McCain have introduced legislation which would reinstate key provisions of the Banking Act of 1933, better known as Glass-Steagall. What's your response to this news?

BLACK: Well, it's fabulous news. And it follows on a significant action in the House of Representatives trying to do the same thing.

So to give a little bit of perspective--and this is legislation that arose from the Great Depression after there were congressional investigations that looked into the causes of the crisis and said one of the consistent problems was a conflict of interest where you had a commercial bank also being an affiliate of an investment bank and you have one bailing out the other and such, and Congress said, this is a terrible idea, and so they adopted the Glass-Steagall legislation. And that worked brilliantly for roughly 50 years, protecting our nation against financial crises.

And then economists came and said, there was never any real problem, and the big banks finally cut a deal with the investment banks, and they got rid of the Glass-Steagall law under the Clinton administration in 1999.

And even before then, the Federal banking [incompr.] very hostile to Glass-Steagall and had given it the death of a thousand cuts by creating all kinds of exceptions that greatly reduced its effectiveness. So one of the reasons that you knew that Dodd-Frank was not serious was that it didn't simply say the Glass-Steagall Act is hereby reinstated, and it didn't say, similarly, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which is what created the black hole for credit default swaps and other derivatives, is hereby repealed. You could have shortened Dodd-Frank a whole lot if you'd written those two sentences [incompr.] far better regulation.

But, okay, you know, it's now five years later, and the number of members of the House and this odd couple of one of the most progressive members of the Senate and one of the more conservative anti-regulatory members, John McCain, one of the Keating Five, the five senators that acted on behalf of Charles Keating, have come together and said this is nuts. We need to go back to Glass-Steagall. It worked brilliantly. This whole idea that it had somehow become obsolescent was stupid.

So, you know, it's a long way between simply, of course, proposing this kind of legislation and actually getting it adopted. The Volcker rule, which many of our viewers may have heard about, was an attempt to take just a portion of Glass-Steagall and reinstate it. And that's been given again the death of a thousand cuts in the regulatory process. So I think it's much cleaner to simply reinstate Glass-Steagall.

NOOR: Now, Bill, this news comes on the heels of a new study just released titled Wall Street in Crisis: A Perfect Storm Looming. And just to give our viewers a sample of what was said in this survey--now, this was an independent anonymous survey of people that work on Wall Street, of stock traders. According to this survey, more than half of respondents believed their competitors engaged in illegal or unethical behavior, while almost a quarter felt employees in their own company engaged in similar misconduct. An astonishing 23 percent reported they had observed or had firsthand knowledge of wrongdoing in the workplace, and 29 percent believed financial services professionals may need to engage in illegal or unethical behavior to be successful. What's your response to the survey, Bill?

BLACK: Well, this is precisely what we've been talking about for decades. This is the Gresham's dynamic, in effect, in which bad ethics drives good ethics out of the marketplace. And notice that difference. So if you go to all of the companies and ask them about their rivals, they say, over 50 percent of our rivals cheat. But if you go to everybody within their company, they say only 25 percent of us cheat. Which one do you believe? Right? The 52 percent is a whole lot more credible. You know, people are more honest about what they see in their competitors than what they see when they're looking at their own friends and such, and they want to deny guilt by their own friends.

So this is the opposite of the rotten apple nonsense you always hear--oh, business is fundamentally, overwhelmingly honest. Maybe there's a few rotten apples and, you know, it's unfair to characterize, etc., etc., etc. You know how the speech goes. Well, no, the truth is that business--and this is talking about Wall Street, our most elite, most powerful business--is profoundly unethical, profoundly fraudulent.

And in addition to the percentages you gave, sort of the magic percentage, 25 percent, so 25 percent of them said that they would be willing to cheat if they could get away with it as long as they'd make $10 million. So they would personally tell, you know, someone in a survey, yup, I would cheat, as long as I can make at least $10 million and wouldn't end up in prison. Well, you can make a whole lot more than $10 million, and under the too-big-to-prosecute, you have no risk of going.

So what does that tell you if you only believe the 25 percent instead of the 53 percent number? That's still hundreds of thousands of guys out there looking for their big score through fraud and telling all of us they're quite willing to do it.

And even more disturbing, when they looked at younger people, in other words, people who their formative years have seen this crisis, how did they react to it? You might hope that they react to this crisis brought on by elite fraud by saying, oh my, let's stop that. But no, it works the opposite direction. The younger the survey respondents were, the more likely they were to say, yup, I would go out there and commit fraud.

And the article, which can be found on your website, which was originally in The New York Times--which is a story in itself, because it was [incompr.] and it was someone who kisses up to the industry all the time--makes the point that economics and business schools are horrible for students' ethics. These are the conventional neoclassical programs. At first, people self-select such that the people that come to economics programs are less ethical, less altruistic than their peers just when they begin the program. And then if you look at them a number of years later, after they've gone through the program, they're even worse.

So we--you know, the dean at the business school doesn't much like this when I say this, but far too many of our business schools are fraud factories for the most elite frauds who are out to rip us off.

NOOR: And finally, Bill, I'll leave you on this quote from this study. It found that 62 percent of those surveyed felt the Securities and Exchange Commission is effective at detecting, investigating, and prosecuting misconduct, while 57 percent felt that FINRA was similarly effective. And these numbers have increased 100 percent since the previous survey done one year ago. Wrapping up, Bill, what does this tell us?

BLACK: Well, first, it explodes this myth of, you know, overregulation and the super-zealous regulators and such as supposedly the reason the economy isn't developing. What have we just seen this week and last week? The largest banks reporting absolutely record profits, growing by 50 percent and such. But these results about a supposedly good job by SEC and FINRA shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt but a whole, you know, vein in a mine of salt, because you can't put them together with the earlier numbers. If the SEC and FINRA, which is the private version of the SEC, a self-regulatory body, were really being effective, would you find that 53 percent of the respondents said that their competitors are cheating currently and that they are personally aware that--25 percent of them are personally aware of people within their own firm cheating? So you can't be too confident. Certainly it blows away the myth of the, you know, hyper-vigilant, hyper-nasty regulator. But you shouldn't have confidence the SEC and FINRA are actually being effective.

NOOR: Bill Black, thank you so much for joining us.

BLACK: Thank you.

NOOR: And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10453


Hillary Clinton’s Glass-Steagall
Tuesday, July 14, 2015

Hillary Clinton won’t propose reinstating a bank break-up law known as the Glass-Steagall Act – at least according to Alan Blinder, an economist who has been advising Clinton’s campaign. “You’re not going to see Glass-Steagall,” Blinder said after her economic speech Monday in which she failed to mention it. Blinder said he had spoken to Clinton directly about Glass-Steagall.

This is a big mistake.

It’s a mistake politically because people who believe Hillary Clinton is still too close to Wall Street will not be reassured by her position on Glass-Steagall. Many will recall that her husband led the way to repealing Glass Steagall in 1999 at the request of the big Wall Street banks.

It’s a big mistake economically because the repeal of Glass-Steagall led directly to the 2008 Wall Street crash, and without it we’re in danger of another one.

http://robertreich.org/post/124114229225

Elizabeth Warren Introducing A Bill That Would Be Wall Street's Worst Nightmare
Elizabeth Warren is making good on her promise to scare Wall Street. Today, she'll introduce a bill to reenact Glass-Steagall.

Glass-Steagall is the 1933 law that separated commercial and investment banking. Back in 1999 it was repealed by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act at the urging of Wall Street heavyweights like then-Citi CEO Sandy Weill.

Then the financial crisis happened. Many banks failed and others got swallowed up into larger banks.

After all that, Sandy Weill said he was wrong on national television.

Elizabeth Warren was elected to the Senate based in part on her crusade against Wall Street excess. For many, this is one massive way to do that. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz), Washington Democrat Maria Cantwell and Maine Independent Angus King are co-sponsoring the bill.

You can read it in full here, but the introduction follows:

To reduce risks to the financial system by limiting banks’ ability to engage in certain risky activities and limiting conflicts of interest, to reinstate certain Glass-Steagall Act protections that were repealed by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, and for other purposes.

This is a move to reduce the size of America's behemoth banks. We've heard the slogans not just from Warren, but also Senators David Vitter (R-LA) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH)— "too big to fail," "too big to manage."

Wall Street's army of lobbyists are unlikely to let this stand without an epic fight. Let them march; Warren loves being a conversation starter, and she'll repeat this one over and over again.

Read the full statement from Warren's office below:

Washington, DC - Senators Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), John McCain (R-AZ), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), and Angus King (I-ME) today will introduce the 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act, a modern version of the Banking Act of 1933 (Glass-Steagall) that reduces risk for the American taxpayer in the financial system and decreases the likelihood of future financial crises.

http://www.businessinsider.com/warren-bill-to-bring-back-glass-steagall-2013-7


The Dodd-Frank bank reform bill: A deeply flawed success
In a world where incremental progress is all but impossible to achieve, this is what a triumph looks like
http://www.salon.com/2010/06/25/the_dodd_frank_bank_reform_bill/


Why does Clinton oppose a reinstatement of it if not to protect Bill Clinton's
legacy? Why would any Democrat oppose its reinstatement?

 

Floridanow

(74 posts)
10. Dodd-Frank has replaced Glass-Stegall.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

Dodd-Frank is a modern law that deals with derivatives. Make Dood-Frank stronger, the involved replacing republicans in Congress.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. It's not strong enough, lacks the necessary teeth that Glass-Stegall had and yes
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

more needs to be done asap. It is not a matter of if there will be
another collapse, but when under the current rules.

Hillary is not entirely correct to say the banks can be broken up under
Frank Dodd, there are many obstacles in order for that to occur.
Bernie is also not as clear about those political obstacles either but
they exist yet he wants to address it in a more forthright manner than Clinton.

This is about or should be, what is best to protect the country, not
about political expediency.

 

Floridanow

(74 posts)
6. Bill Clinton is right.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

Glass-Stegall didn't anticipate derivatives, which is what brought down the world's economy in 2008. Glass-Stegall was outdated. Democrats tried to regulate derivatives in 2002, but failed in a republican led Congress. Sanders voted against regulation of derivatives during the 2002 vote, parting ways with democrats, including then Senator Clinton.

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