2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAfter seeing huge stadiums over packed with Bernie believers, I don't put
much stock into those who say a revolution is not possible. If Hillary's message is so great, why isn't she filling huge stadiums with her followers?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)but we're supposed to put blind faith in a leader? And rise up against an unspecified address in lower Manhattan?
Surely you see the problem?
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)spent his whole life in service of his fellow man
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)really can do nothing if they try hard enough.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Thanks for the laugh!
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Can you stay at least related to the topic? it gets so confusing with all this unrelated stuff being brought in.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)look what they gave us. Evil and Harm to this country and the world!
greiner3
(5,214 posts)The video as I've seen many showing Obama's draw. Thanks for feeling the Bern
yourout
(7,531 posts)There isn't that many people on Wall Street.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)gyroscope
(1,443 posts)his campaign fizzled out and died shortly afterwards.
Sanders is going much further than Dean ever did in 2004, and his support is only growing.
absolutely amazing!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)number of big rallies.
Wrong answer.
21st Century Poet
(254 posts)Rallies are great for generating excitement but one cannot read too much into them. First of all, there are always more people in any state who did not attend any rallies but will vote anyway than there are people who got so engaged in the political process that they bothered going to rallies rallies.
Secondly, there are people who will attend a rally just to hear what a politician has to say but then vote for someone else. There are those who will attend the rally but then are unable or unwilling to go out and vote and there are those who go rallies because they have nothing better to do and see it as a good night out.
If rallies won elections, Bernie Sanders would have won outright in Iowa. The fact that he didn't should serve as a check on how much we read into rallies.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)The people who are for the people will have to overcome the cheating from your side. So sad.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Glamrock
(11,802 posts)Just asking
Didn't GW Bush? No.
Didn't Bill Clinton? uh uh
HW? Hardly
Reagan? A few folks here and there.
Carter? zip
Operative word: MOST
21st Century Poet
(254 posts)The size of her rallies might be explained thus: Maybe Hillary supporters are the loyal but unexcitable type. They will go out to vote for her but they will not bother with attending her rallies.
Keep in mind that at the end of the day, it is votes which are counted and not the number of people at rallies. I hope that all the people attending Sanders's rallies will vote for him and work to get others to vote for him but Iowa has showed us that large rallies are not enough.
Getting out the vote is the single, most important thing.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Cheating is more plausible.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)Many of the 28,000 people that also attended did not live in the city where the rally was held. (According to the sign-in sheets.)
It is too nonsensical to believe that even a third of them were just looking for a good night out.
I will never forget the feeling of excitement and elation I felt while listening to him and the responses of the crowd.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)I'd feel better about the possibility of her being the nominee if I could see just one Hillary rally with 15,000 or 20,000 excited people. I saw a report that she had a rally of 2,600 people and that was her biggest crowd of her entire campaign.
She had 4 women senators in NH yesterday and the crowd was described as small but excited. Sounds like kind of a waste to me, to have so many prominent women appear with her but not at an enormous event.
Let's see a huge Hillary rally.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)own the Teevee. Most people won't leave home unless it's to go to work or some leisure activity. The rest of the time it's television.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)They don't have time for rallies. Their money bought their candidate the election so they don't have to show up in line with sweaty people to hear what Hillary has to say. They paid for her speech so they already know what she stand for --- and it ain't you and me.
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". And we all know the exact price of that greater equality, don't we?
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)The ones who did not go to a proper school. The ones without the metal name plate on their office door, that kind of people.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)an excellent point!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)The problem though is that the money they bring could fill that entire stadium to the roof.
valerief
(53,235 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)I feel so proud of you!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)One of the biggest differences is: Bernie preaches at "rallies" ... Hillary listens at "town-hall" meetings.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)they say you can hear a pin drop at Hillary's town hall events, can't do that at a Bernie rally can you? That and a rally with only 200 people would just look stupid, wouldn't it?
But it's not a competition FFS ... wait never mind, it is a competition.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because town halls are easier to fill.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)unfortunately
JI7
(89,252 posts)Result in more votes.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Iowa was demographically tailor made for Sanders, its Demographics worked against Obama, making the difference even more striking.
The next President will have a Republican held House of Representatives at least through the first six years of their term and likely all eight years. That GOP House will pass nothing trans-formative.
I really wish we were all working on reality. This conversation would be much easier.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)when she speaks. nod, nod, nod, nod, nod, nod!
I think Bernie speaks for us and Hillary does not, she just pretends.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)when the campaign started how much of a lead did he have to overcome to catch up with the supposedly dominant political faction in the Democratic Party? Especially when the person in charge in Iowa was a former Clinton campaign official who boasted Hillary license plates on her car.
HRC won six straight coin tosses that night? Clearly God is on her side, right? Must have really pissed Cruz off.
Databuser
(58 posts)Senator Sanders fought the Establishment to a DRAW - right outa the gate....That ain't a loss.
sabuthefuture
(5 posts)Hillary Clinton debate with Bernie Sanders February 5, 2016
There is this attack that he is putting out, which really comes down to, anybody who took donations or speaking fees from any interest group has to be bought, she said. And I just absolutely reject that, senator. And I really dont think these attacks by insinuation and innuendo are worthy of you. Enough is enough. If youve got something to say, say it directly.
Maureen Dowd Feb6, 2016 / Hillary Battles Bernie Sanders, Chick Magnet
"When Hillary accused Sanders during the debate of doing an artful smear on her, charging him with insinuating that she engaged in pay-for-play with Wall Street, drug companies and other special interests, some Republicans predicted that the moment would go down as a Gary Hart-style challenge that would come back to haunt her."
SMOKING GUN: Please listen to the middle of the video below about 12 minutes in and pay close attention to what Ms. Elizabeth Warren says in 2004. Keep in mind several times Hilary Clinton has put forth the idea that no one could show how receipt of donations towards her campaign have had any effect upon her voting record.
https://www.americarisingpac.org/flashback-elizabeth-warren-on-clinton-she-can-be-bought/
Hillary Clinton accused Bernie of insinuation and innuendo rather than speaking the truth. She accused him of playing games rather than being forthright. This video is the SMOKING GUN showing Bernie was being honest, not polite or disingenuous. She asked Bernie to basically present your evidence or shut-up. It was a challenge and the question is whether Bernie really believes he is the one who can lead this nation back to its goal of justice and opportunity for all. By everyone calling Bernie a socialist, or saying he does not have the experience to lead a nation as she has, critics demonstrate their ignorance. First by not understanding history that President Franklin Roosevelt also could be considered a socialist getting legislation passed like social security, unemployment insurance, and the New Deal. Yes, Hillary has had the experience in government and look at her track record. She voted for the Iraq war and proved when Secretary of State that she was not prepared for regime change. The loss of civilian lives of a half million and our brave soldiers lives of almost 6,500 is the cost of her judgment and proof that experience matters little if someone does not have the wisdom to make good decisions and policies as Bernie Sanders record does in government. Plus you need to look at Hillarys voting record on Gay, civil rights, and womens rights in contrast to Bernies, and not just for the last few years. When Bernie finishes office as President of the United States and has restored faith in government, equal opportunity to all, a level of economic and social justice so as to set an example for the rest of the world, then it will be time for Statespersons like Senator Elizabeth Warren or Patricia Scott Schroeder who served in the House of Representatives from 1973 to 1997 to serve in this position. Now these are only two of the several women capable of being a good president who have the integrity, the character, judgment, and the fortitude that would make any US citizen proud. Hillarys history as demonstrated by her actions demonstrates she is a true politician, one who puts her finger in the air and depending which way the wind is blowing, says what the citizenship would like to hear.
You need to read in the Huffington Post the article
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Socialist or "Champion of Freedom"?
04/23/2012 02:44 pm ET | Updated Jun 23, 2012 David Woolner
I have no need for any credit. This is a news story dedicated to all those in the media dedicated to tell the truth and the too many reporters throughout the world who have lost their lives just doing their job. The media that print this information are demonstrating they have integrity and are not in the pockets of special interests groups that have so much to lose if Bernie Sanders becomes President. His only special interest group that he is obliged to listen to is the average American citizen which includes about 90% of the people whether Democrat, Republican, or Independent who own as much as the other 1%.
MOST IMPORTANT IS PLEASE COPY THIS AND GET THIS TO EVERY PERSON ON YOUR MAILING LIST, TO EVERY NEWS ORGANIZATION, BLOG, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. MOST NEWS ORGANIZATIONS WILL NEVER PRINT ANYTHING LIKE THIS AS THEY KNOW WHO PUTS THE BUTTER ON THEIR BREAD. BERNIE IS THEIR WORST NIGHTMARE AND TO BERNIE: PLEASE BE SAFE. THOSE IN POWER WILL GET DESPERATE AND THIS IS NO TIME TO UNDERESTIMATE THEIR INSANITY.
michael / Human Being*
The WISDOM of SABU
Sisters And Brothers Universal
"Uplifting the Spirit by sharing the wealth"
"Que eleva el Espíritu al compartir la riqueza"
*Rather than live as a marionette, a consequence of the conditioning and other negative experiences one suffers from childhood on, a Human Being prefers to be free, independent, responsible, wise, happy, loving, and compassionate. By cutting the strings that control them and striving to reach their fullest potential, they are best able to help their Sisters And Brothers Universal do the same/SABU
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Bowling alleys!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)So said CNN.