voice but she isn't feminism. Feminism is you and me and everyone else, not her alone. She is an ivory tower feminist to me but the ones who did the heavy lifting, who actually changed the world were everyone else.

It was the women who went into the world and pushed back. My goal out of high school was to be one of the few things available to me: teacher, secretary, mommy, dental tech. I decided to enter the navy to pay for it and to honor my father who was a feminist born into a feminist family when no one even knew the word. Same with my mom by the way. These were the people who changed the world, teaching their kids the truth about equality.

Everyone told me for my senior year that only sluts or someone so pathetic they had to go there 'to get a husband' entered the military. I never went. But in the end the work a day women and those who actually made the world change one furious moment at a time did the work, not the ivory tower folks like Steinem.

She has always had contempt for transgenders and made remarks against Caitlyn Jenner too.

Consider:

In 1977, she publicly attacked pioneering transgender athlete Renee Richards, referring to her and other trans people as "a frightening instance of what feminism could lead to" and "living proof that feminism isn't necessary."

In an article she wrote at the time, she claimed support the right of individuals to identify as they choose, but said that transsexuals "surgically mutilate their own bodies" and that "feminists are right to feel uncomfortable about the need for and uses of transsexualism."

She concluded the article with one of her most famous quotes: "If the shoe doesn't fit, must we change the foot?" This quote and others like it from her are used to this very day by trans-exterminationist radical feminists to demonize trans people and justify their discrimination.

AND:

In her 1983 book Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions, Steinem wrote:

"[T]ranssexuals are paying an extreme tribute to the power of sex roles. In order to set their real human personalities free, they surgically mutilate their own bodies: anything to win from this biased society — where minor differences or hormones and genitals are supposed to dictate total lives and personalities — the right to be who they individually are as human beings."

and praised Janice Raymond's notorious transphobic screed The Transexual Empire:

"Instead of serving more lifesaving but often less lucrative needs for their surgical and hormone-therapy skills, some physicians are aiding individuals who are desperately trying to conform to an unjust society. It’s a small group of successful physicians she [Janice Raymond] names ‘the transsexual empire’."

Steinem has never apologized for or recanted her many attacks on trans* people in general and athlete Renee Richards specifically. If she is to be held up as a hero, she must be held to a standard where such attacks are unacceptable and must at least be apologized for.

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I think that would be the least she could do. She and Germiane Greer hold the same ideas and she demonstrated with Maher that they still have currency with her. Her remarks about young women are as sexist as they come and I am thinking that she is as isolated in her bubble of self congratulatory hoo-hah as anyone else in that strata. She didn't free women. Women freed women and she's showing that every time she opens her mouth.

Now that it blew up in her face, Steinem says that her actual remarks which bear nothing of the kind really meant this:

“What I had just said on the same show was the opposite: young women are active, mad as hell about what’s happening to them, graduating in debt, but averaging a million dollars less over their lifetimes to pay it back,” she wrote.

“Whether they gravitate to Bernie or Hillary, young women are activist and feminist in greater numbers than ever before.”

No, Gloria, you didn't.

I used to admire Steinem, but those days are over.

and enlightening post. I was never really comfortable with Steinem and now I know why.

Excellent read, thanks again.

She most surely did not. Not even close.

If you have to hide your character behind a penis or some labia, you might just be a piss-poor candidate.

Thatcher was a woman but was like Medusa. I'm not saying that Hillary is like her but people should look at policies before they gender vote.

(In a thick Brooklyn accent): "These Gargoyle banks are way out of hand! We need to hold 'm to a higher standard! They need to take a look in the mirror!"

...just as appalling as NOT voting for someone because they're a woman.

that I saw. She was all about the "woman in the White House" thing. She didn't have much else to say either. Once saying something like "it's time, time for a woman president." Then when speaking to a man there with his young daughter, it was, "you have your daughter here tonight, wouldn't you like her to see a woman in the White House?"

I have no problem if the best candidate happens to be a woman one of these years. I don't think there is any real barrier there any more.

I didn't vote in the '08 primary, because DWS tried to rig it in favor of Hillary and as a result Howard Dean stripped our delegates per DNC rules. But I favored Barack Obama, not because he was black, or male, but because he was the better candidate in my opinion. I did make a sizeable donation to his campaign.
Now in '16, I agree with Bernie Sanders that his positions are the best direction for the country. Not because he's male, white, or Jewish.
Is this country ready for a woman president? Hell, yes! And when a woman runs who is the best candidate, she will win...not because of her genitals, or ability to get the nomination rigged on her behalf, but because she'll have sound proposals that voters want, is trustworthy, and shows leadership not followship. I can't wait! Hopefully Warren runs soon.

our next Democratic Presidential candidate, and it wouldn't be Hillary.

She doesn't have any that will do anything more than throw crumbs to the middle class and will do nothing to help people get out of poverty. She has plenty that will favor those who are already rich though.

is my wife can't stand it at all. A little back round, she is the head of our household, takes care and supports all four of us including a crippled husband. Has been in the workforce for over 26 years at one company and worked her way up to a very high position in that company. If I'm a sexist by admiring her determination and loyalty then I guess I am guilty as charged.

Much Kudos to you and yours

thanks for the reply

women with her work a day heroism. Steinem is sitting in her limo spouting crap. Big dif. Your wife is my hero.

and it sounds like she's a lucky woman too. Cheers to you both.

and most likely dead if she did not stay by my side. Of course by doing so this it has put a great deal of strain on her and our family and I often tell her I would not hold it against her if she left for greener pastures. But like I wrote she is too loyal and caring to do this to me. I feel very guilty each and everyday because day by day I have less and less to offer due to my condition. It a blessing but again I do torture myself by not being a productive member of the household.

If she loves you, and you love her then that all by itself is the productive part of your relationship. Guilt isn't necessary, only appreciation. You would do the same for her if the positions were reversed right?

amazement that my mom stayed with dad. HIS OWN MOTHER! Love knows no boundaries. Your wife loves you so don't feel awful. Obviously, you are a wonderful man in her eyes. Release your angst and live with joy. You are loved, my dear Ugly. (LOL! I love your 'nickname')

He got hit by shrapnel in WW1 and had both legs amputated. He was the light of my life until he died. I didn't give one whit that he couldn't do everything he wished he could do and I know that it he would have loved to be able to walk and be as active as my other great grandfather. But, he did other things like tell great stories and taught me to play cards and he smoked a very fragrant pipe. Anyway, I still miss him and I am getting pretty old myself. Your legacy to your family and what you give them goes well beyond a paycheck or even beyond your physical abilities. They need your you, your wit, humor, knowledge, and emotional support.

Speaking as a long term wife, you are the light of her life.

It was to say - don't hire me because I am a woman and don't over look me because I am a woman....

Hire me because of who I am as a person.

Every time I hear vote for Hillary - she's a woman, we need a woman in the White House - I want to scream!

Steinem and notAlthatbright were both just incredibly sexist.

I'm disappointed that Hillary is wanting so much to be The Historic One that she's suggesting that's as important as other issues.

Just like OJ's defense team wanted the trial to be about race

Ignore the facts....look over here --->

Classic misdirection. When you have an indefensible or unsupportable or unwinable position, deflect and redirect.

It is embarrassing.

It smacks of what my kids call "damseling" -- the tendency for women in comics and video games to be presented as helpless victims who need to be rescued by some white knight.

Hillary may be casting herself as the white knight, but she's reducing the rest of us to frail princesses who can't look out for ourselves. And that offends me a lot more than the "vote for me because I'm a woman" pitch.

"A woman president in my lifetime" for these folks is fine and sufficient reason for me.

Hillary is not the woman I want to see in the White House.

To me, saying that having a woman in the White House in my lifetime, no matter how much I hate the things that woman stands for, like fracking and war and Wall Street and the TPP and cluster bombs - which have and will hurt many many people - is being an asshole. Can't think of a better or more descriptive term, really.

in my lifetime. Couldn't care less what they have between their legs.

Do you give a free pass to 70+ year old Sarah Palin supporters who just want to see "a woman president in my lifetime"?

however, I fairly sure that I'll still be around when the first woman is elected POTUS. I hope it isn't Hillary Clinton.

When genitals fulfill a Constitutional requirement, then yeah we should cast our votes accordingly.

self-respect in that attitude. Indeed, I think
it is just as sexist from the other side.

John McCain - Mr. Magoo - thought Palin would deliver him some women votes. How'd that work out?

Some satire that highlights the bastardized logic Hillary Clinton is using...

Hillary Tells Women to Vote for Sarah Palin, Carly Fiorina

Is Hillary now an advocate of Affirmative Action for white women?

Or, as pointed out in another thread, "Trickle down feminism." She benefits, at some point someone else may benefit as it drips on them.

They thought issues wouldn't matter. Bernie has spoiled their party.

"Love the image, follow the policies they lay out without question."

Saw them pushing that meme years ago and wondered how stupid they think we all are.

Answer: box of rocks

and being a woman doesn't incline me to vote for one just because said person running for a political office is a woman.

To hell with this agenda, it goes nowhere very fast!

The 2014 New York Democratic primary had a corrupt male incumbent Cuomo versus a non corrupt female challenger Teachout. She robocalled for Cuomo, preventing Teachout from breaking the glass ceiling as New York governor.

She acts like she's the first woman to run for president or win delegates. She's not. She is standing on Shirley Chisholm's shoulders but does not give her credit.

For 20 years, I've felt that trying to elect Hillary is a distraction to that goal. It seems to me that feminists latched onto Hillary as the best bet to be first woman president due to her high name recognition from Bill's presidency, but really, her path is a hindrance.

I don't want to send the message to young girls that the route to becoming President is to find and marry a man who can be president first.

Democrats do have many women with the experience to be credible presidential candidates. Elizabeth Warren, Barbara Lee, Patty Murray, Kathleen Sebelius, etc. I look forward to the time when the Democrats have moved beyond the Clintons and we see other women step up to run for President.