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DaveT

(687 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:15 PM Feb 2016

How Hillary Could Get Her Mojo Back

Her surrogates and supporteers must stop projecting the idea that she is the inevitable candidate. As a Sanders supporter I laughed my ass off all through the autumn months as the Clinton supporters on this board kept posting irrelevant poll after irrelevant poll that proved nothing -- and most importantly, did not give any reason to support Hillary. Those posts were clearly intended to discourage Bernie supporters, rather than to persuade anybody of anything. Bad election strategy -- vote for me because I am going to win anyway.

Her campaign must stop its scattershot criticism of Sanders. It should stop talking about him at all.


Instead she should say why she wants to be President.

She should lay out the Hillary Vision for the Future -- and this vision has to be positive, not a vision of not being as bad as the competition.

Instead of arguing about the merits of $12 vs. $15 -- she should say how important it is to raise the minimum wage, and to imply that it needs to keep going up as the years go by. Instead of saying why 12 is better than 15, she should be saying that more is better.

Instead of the utterly insane pitch on health care that Single Payer or anything else like it is Impossible -- she should say that Obamacare was a great first step and that we need to continue to provide health care to more people. Again, a wonkish debate about how to finance improvements will not help her. She needs to make people believe that she is going to take the wisest course forward, and she needs to say she will fight the Republicans to make needed improvements.

Instead of defending herself on her Wall Street connection, she should go right at the banks and say that we cannot allow Too Big To Fail to crash the economy again. The bulk of voters aren't going to care about the names of statutes or the financial manipulation details. All they want is to feel like the President is not in the tank for those bankers.

Instead of the embarrassingly weak argument that I see her fans post on this board that She Is Ready From Day One, she should be saying that she is going to lead the country to a better future, and proclaim her willingness to fight for that future.


She would not have to shift any of her substantive positions to take this approach. And, with her money and institutional support, she could probably right her ship and wind up the nominee if she would just give Democrats a reason to be FOR her, rather just against Bernie and against the Boogey Man Republicans.

Can't you Hillary supporters see how weak her campaign is?

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How Hillary Could Get Her Mojo Back (Original Post) DaveT Feb 2016 OP
No they can't, anymore than they can see how bad cali Feb 2016 #1
Great debater and very good campaigner with strong crowds. You're in fantasy land. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #11
Denial. But I kind of like it. cali Feb 2016 #15
If she was, she wouldn't be running to be president.... daleanime Feb 2016 #27
Mojo intact and working fine. OhZone Feb 2016 #2
She's a freakin' mess cali Feb 2016 #3
And you're in fantasy land. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #10
No, I'm firmly rooted in reality and you are in massive denial cali Feb 2016 #17
Please keep thinking that!! DaveT Feb 2016 #4
Well, lets see - OhZone Feb 2016 #12
Oh Noes! DaveT Feb 2016 #18
1 for 1? What kind of denialism is that? HRC was +30 in IA and that was squandered to 0.2%. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #28
bullcrap Robbins Feb 2016 #34
A few states and not many more. When it goes to the South and bigger states Hillary cleans up. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #14
Go left, Hillary, go left!! marble falls Feb 2016 #5
Or she could ignore "advice" from Bernie supporters who want her to fail. DanTex Feb 2016 #6
What penetrating analysis DaveT Feb 2016 #8
Thank you. I'm sure she appreciates your panicking on her behalf. DanTex Feb 2016 #13
You conflate wanting Bernie to win with wanting Hillary to fail. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #31
She should get ahead of the issue and become a leading voice calling for an audit of the Iowa caucus Vote2016 Feb 2016 #7
Will the Sanders campaign and his supporters stop saying anything about Hillary at all? RBInMaine Feb 2016 #9
you are missing the point DaveT Feb 2016 #16
Winning the Iowa caucus? Leading in the polls? Leading the endorsement race by miles? ucrdem Feb 2016 #19
endorsement race? DaveT Feb 2016 #20
She can't do those things, because she doesn't support any of those actions Hydra Feb 2016 #21
Good advice RobertEarl Feb 2016 #22
Some DUer effectively said Millennials support Sanders because they don't contribute to the system. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #32
Dave catnhatnh Feb 2016 #23
i know that Hillary supporters will refuse DaveT Feb 2016 #24
The reason why mojo is so cool is you that once you lose it you really can't get it back by trying dinkytron Feb 2016 #25
good point DaveT Feb 2016 #26
Hillary never had Mojo. Didn't in 2008, doesn't now. Avalux Feb 2016 #29
The only people laying out a clear President Hillary vision EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #30
She will still be Hillary, regardless of what she says or does. Punkingal Feb 2016 #33
The trouble is NowSam Feb 2016 #35

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
2. Mojo intact and working fine.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

Everyone already knows Bernie is likely to win a couple of states like NH.


DaveT

(687 posts)
4. Please keep thinking that!!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

That is how you lost your lead, and unless you stop it, you won't even be tied much longer.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
12. Well, lets see -
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:30 PM
Feb 2016

She's 1 for 1 so far.

Everyone knows Bernie's most likely to win NH.

And PPP, one of the most accurate polls, has her up by 21 points nationally, and she's likely to win almost all the states after NH. Remember, Bernie is not Obama. There aren't millions of skeptical socialists just waiting to see if a socialist can win, like there were millions of skeptical people (of all stripes) wondering if a black man could actually win in 2008.

And the polls say most people expect her to win the presidency, one of the best indicators of what's happening.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/01/poll-most-people-expect-democratic-victory-november

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
34. bullcrap
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:22 PM
Feb 2016

Iowa was tie with bunch of iregurlys.serious PPP is not accurate in this primary at all.

keep telling yourself that.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
14. A few states and not many more. When it goes to the South and bigger states Hillary cleans up.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. Or she could ignore "advice" from Bernie supporters who want her to fail.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

Yeah, I think I'll go with that one.

DaveT

(687 posts)
8. What penetrating analysis
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

Just look at the polls that were such comfort only a few weeks ago. Obviously, something is not working.

Please keep your head in the sand.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
31. You conflate wanting Bernie to win with wanting Hillary to fail.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

Widen your scope of vision a little.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
7. She should get ahead of the issue and become a leading voice calling for an audit of the Iowa caucus
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016
 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
9. Will the Sanders campaign and his supporters stop saying anything about Hillary at all?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

Same rules for everyone pal.

DaveT

(687 posts)
16. you are missing the point
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

which makes me happy.


For anybody paying attention -- Bernie is the Challenger. Hillary is the Favorite.

Bad strategy to argue down. No choice but to argue up.


This is not exotic left wing thinking -- this is politics 101.


I don't expect my humble little post on DU to actually change Hillary's campaign strategy. And I damn sure am not trying to get her to do that. But she would be smart to consider running a positive campaign rather than the unfocused clusterfarce that has cost her the huge lead she started out with.

DaveT

(687 posts)
20. endorsement race?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

Grant you that one. For all it is worth.

That you are proud of it explains our disagreement.



Otherwise, the Clinton Campaign Juggernaut is just a-rolling on.

Keep thinking that.


You guys really need some new material.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
21. She can't do those things, because she doesn't support any of those actions
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

She could always pull an Obama, but I doubt anyone will buy it.

Let's face it, she's losing because she and her peers are doing fine in the current system, and screw everyone else. No economic justice, that was taken off the table from the first. Lip service for social justice(if that). No pulling the MIC and Wall St. back, that would be bad for brib...I mean, business!

I liked Hillary when she was a champion for women and children. As an advocate of the haves and have mores? They don't need an advocate.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
22. Good advice
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

But it's too late to do the right thing now.

H campaign has alienated many women by shaming them and not promising she would help women.

I am afraid that H is just out of touch because she has been up in the tower of power, elite castle too long and all she can do is look down and smirk.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
32. Some DUer effectively said Millennials support Sanders because they don't contribute to the system.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:19 PM
Feb 2016

.


Calling Millennial women stupid, by only voting to placate their boys.


Calling Millennials non-productive moochers that like Sanders for his "free stuff."


Telling women they will go to hell if they don't support female candidates.



What a way to win the Under-30 vote!

What a way to win the woman vote!



I'll leave out the Flint issue, since that impacts people's lives, but she was contributory to Ohio's lead problem and promoted worldwide fracking, something that is currently damaging watersheds in OK, NY, PA and TX.


.

DaveT

(687 posts)
24. i know that Hillary supporters will refuse
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

to believe this, but I was totally sincere in this thread, and I believe that if she would just stop running such a BAD campaign, it would be very difficult for Bernie to beat her.

I still cannot figure out why so many of them just have to say that She Will Win no matter what. This morning, they look like the Black Knight from Monte Python and the Holy Grail -- best example is gloating about losing by 22 points while Super Delegates undo the result. You're proud of that?


Of course Hillary will retool, recalibrate, refocus and revamp her up to now Inevitable Campaign. If she just goes positive, she will probably win.

I am confident that she will not, because that is just who she is -- she really believes her own passive aggressive bullshit about how she is obviously the best and there must be something wrong with you if you don't admit it.


Sanders and all of us who support him are lucky to be running against such a consummately bad politician. How many huge leads can she blow before her cheerleaders grasp that fact?

dinkytron

(568 posts)
25. The reason why mojo is so cool is you that once you lose it you really can't get it back by trying
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:59 AM
Feb 2016

to get it back.

DaveT

(687 posts)
26. good point
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

Austin Powers was funny, but fiction. You can't get it back.

Plus she never had any mojo to begin with.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
29. Hillary never had Mojo. Didn't in 2008, doesn't now.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

I've been saying this a lot and it's true - the American people perceive Hillary as inauthentic (liar), not much she can do to change that because it's WHO SHE IS.

Once trust is lost, almost impossible to get it back.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
35. The trouble is
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:41 PM
Feb 2016

as I see it, She has lost the trust of the people with verifiable contradictory positions on every issue and she is one of the 1% class and I think the electorate is looking for a different path than maintaining the status quo.

Just my opinion.

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