and anything less than a win for Hillary will be a terrible defeat.

Did the rate change?

at that rate, she would have been in the lead by Tuesday.

she was down almost 30% in a poll right after Iowa, and then down only 10% in another poll a couple days later. at that rate, she would have been up 10% by now. but anyway, it didn't happen.

So she did move up 3 points in that poll, but not by the 10 the OP is claiming. The average of all the polls is Sanders 53.6 and Clinton 40.4. Maybe the 10 points the OP is talking about is a movement in that avg. More polls will need to continue to show movement in her favor to establish a trend, but a trend is probable, since polls often tighten right up to election day.

I thought the oligarchs rigged them. I guess they rigged some for Bernie as he helped them raise some money after all.

they were off by 15 in the Iowa poll

Plus 60% are completely undecided. Lots of wiggle room there!

Maybe I read it wrong.

The Iraq war surge,
The Afghanistan war surge...

Her campaign is the Democratic NEO-CON surge.

Thankfully dinner isn't for a couple of hours.

It's something you can't control: aversion.

I mean you can't possibly hate another Democrat in that kind of way? This is territory I reserve for Cruz and the like.

And whole lot less about the personalities proclivities when they were not involved in the situation. Now you come here to read and to share and if you come here with opinion somebody doesn't like they will impugn anybody involved in it and even the poster if a wedge can be applied. It gets really ridiculous sometimes.

Yesterday I was on DU jury and there was some debate as to whether it was polite to to discuss about how to feed a sick pet bird and if that feeding could include cooked, plain waffles and if such food was going to be appropriate. To me it sounds like some kind of crap they would pull of some right wing radio station as something to be used as dead air space filler.

This kind of crap talk is done to distract others from issues at hand and keep more important things off of peoples train of thought , a republican right wing tactic.

Sid

I'm in NH and I'm registered as an Independent.

I remember how I felt about Orval Faubus.

No guilt here.

It is someone you could end up supporting. So why work yourself up that much?

Come on. It's very flattering.

you comment on someone else's looks? Seriously?

Making light...

Hard to tell sometimes, particularly online. Mea culpa.

He's raised too much money from too many supporters not to play it out as far as he can. And he has every right to stay in the race as long as possible to ensure that his message sticks.

But if Clinton heads into NV, SC, and ultimately Super Tuesday with the wind at her back, not much will change the ultimate outcome.

to the bitter end like Clinton did? Even when it's totally useless and the delegate count is way beyond his reach?

That's the question.

When the primary started I'd have said "no way" would he do that. Now, I'm not too sure.

For Hillary!

UMass/7News: Sanders: 57% (+2), Clinton: 40% (-1)
ARG: Sanders: 53% (-), Clinton: 42% (+1)
CNN: Sanders: 58% (-3), Clinton: 35% (+4)

n/t

We should be raising expectations for Hillary.

never mind

reported

I didn't realize that you were a Hillary supporter. My bad.

But since he's a Hillary supporter it's OK?

Wow. That's pathetic.

if it's from a Hillary supporter. LOL.

I was scratching my head about that too.

to flag someone from the other camp. It is sickening and this is a prime example.

Misogyny is funny when it is "sarcasm" and you know it is from a Hillary supporter. If it's from a Bernie supporter it's an unfunny slur and a reason to get someone flagged. When in doubt, flag away.

Pathetic.

Hillary is Bill Clinton's wife, Bill Clinton called himself the "Comeback Kid," Hillary is rising in the New Hampshire polls, therefore the "Bride of" remark.

bullshit was thrown at Bill Clinton because HE travelled to the Soviet Union as a college student? It was crap then, and it's crap now.

and actively supporting Soviet-supported Cold War combatants as a real world adult politician as Bernie did.

the "Communist" epithet at Bill.

And a visit to a sister city hardly strikes me as "actively supporting Soviet-supported Cold War combatants as a real world adult politician. . . ."

In 1976 when I took a trip to the Soviet Union -- it was a trip for airline employees, which I was one at the time -- by older brother who had a job that required a security clearance, totally freaked out, claiming I could cost him his job. I told him that if the government or FBI or whoever really thought his sister's trip somehow implicated him in something nefarious, he might want to rethink his career choices.

Oh, and even though he apparently had to go through renewed background checks every few years, I discovered a long time later in another conversation with him that he'd assumed that I'd been questioned about him more than once. Nope. Never. And I'm very easy to find since my surname, the same as his, is somewhat uncommon.

So anyway, a visit to the Soviet Union, even in the heat, so to speak, of the Cold War, does not make one a Communist. And I laugh out loud every time someone tries to suggest that. Cheers.

He went to Burlington's sister city as mayor. How is that supporting Cold War combatants?

Such a Communist thing to do.

helped because people traveled to each other's city and saw that they are all humans just like our side is human. Then there are some that want to build walls, do you support someone that wants to build walls?

The Soviet flag he has was a gift from the mayor there.

They're communists. Do you buy products made in China? If so, you are financially supporting communists.

things like consumer electronics and truffles affordable to First World workers

I spent 5 years in the Army learning how to kill Commies and when I got out Walmart dominated and was full Communist Chinese stuff.

It was freakin' cold.. Leningrad, Moscow, Suzdal.. I LOVED every minute of it. Leningrad, now St Petersburg is one of my favorite cities on earth.. beautiful, wonderful people, cultural capital of Russia, maybe even of all of Europe.

I've been back 3-4 times.... The cuisine has improved immensely! :&gt )

In terms of misogyny, I have seen far worse in my 31 years.

K & R

Whose "worm is turning," now?




Go, Hillary! We love you!


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As if only one side is screaming 25 cents.

This partisanship is useless and to my eyes, equally disgusting on both candidates most rabid "fans"

Love your note to jury lines!

Manu shenanigans ahead.

they have been manipulating the polls all along.how convenient that she has "closed" a gap that has existed from the beginning...this way, when the nh election is stolen, ...er, when she "wins" they can point and say see? she has been closing the gap for weeks! if bernie has such a hugh turnout that they can't steal it without being obvious, they will point to anything less than a 12 or 15 point loss as "momentum" for hillary

this game is rigged all the way from the bottom to the top.

Can we allow another coup?

we are going to have to keep eyes and ears on everything. they will try and deny him enough delegates for a decisive win at the convention and use supers to steal it for hillary.

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just the first that's been reported back, I'm sure. But they won't bother you again, at least not today.

Albeit extremely disturbing that winning is everything to some, even if every principle they hold dear is subverted.

Thank you, LQ.

and imagine that Hillary voters are also democrats because they care about similar principles as Bernie voters. My point is that Hilary voters seem strangely willing to let go of all of the ideals just for the sake of winning. Just my opinion.

And I agree with you. Thus my question.

I could have used a different word, but then I'd have to include a jury note, which would be ridiculous.

Interesting how it went from Bernie down by 40 to the state being his backyard.

but name recognition is clearly helping bernie, which was to be expected. her higher numbers from the past were largely due to the fact that many people did not know who bernie is

I guess we'll have to wait and see if Monmouth revamped their ridiculous methodology since Iowa, but if not--look out!

Their Iowa methodology included over-poling women and older voters.

They were always wrong.

Their final poll going into the Iowa caucuses, was off by 15+ points by the actual result.

Nutty stuff.

No candidate will win every state. Therefore, the ideal situation is to lose by a much smaller margin than predicted. I honestly thought that her chances in IA were slim and she managed a very narrow win, even a tie would have been good. Caucuses notoriously favor the candidate with more feet on the ground and there's no doubt that Sanders attracts more Millenials than Hillary. NH has been good to the Clintons in the past, but Sanders has the home advantage.

I think that Hillary will do fine in NV and SC.

Super Tuesday will be the real barometer of the race. It will give us a more accurate view of the actual standing of both candidates and their path to the nomination.

A resounding victory with margins that cannot be chalked up to "friendly neighbor." The narrative will be that Bernie is serious and the front runner.

He'll come out of NH with an untainted victory and with the majority of the pledged delegates.

Then onto NV, which has been under polled. I think Bernie could carry the NV caucuses too.

being under polled, it is more likely that Bernie will get within 5 points of Hillary, but not carry the state.

Follow the car with the IA plates HRC2016

Is 50.1 to secure a very strong win like Iowa was for HRC and then he carries more momentum into Nevada

He is already facing uphill battles in almost all the remaining states through March 15. If he doesn't emerge from NH with substantial momentum he is toast.

Sanders was down 40 here early on. A win is a win. I'll take my chances going forward especially with the financial advantage

The higher the expectations for her, the harder for her to meet them.


Keep up the good work. Bookmarking for after we have results. Sleep well.