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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:24 PM Feb 2016

Debunking the Politifact LIE on Bernie and the ACA. Senator Bingaman says

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Says Bernie was very involved. He's not the only one.

Without Bernie there wouldn't have been 11 billion in the ACA CHCs. Not that many of those smearing Bernie on this even know what that is. He fought for it. He made his vote for it contingent on it. And yes, he fought for single payer and the public option. The following is from the pro Hillary TPM.

ut interviews with various congressional staff involved with the reform effort as well as outside experts reveal that Sanders' role in the creation of 2010's Affordable Care Act is a complicated one.

On one hand, he sat on the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (or HELP) Committee -- one of the two committees charged with pulling together the legislation. And he championed not-insignificant provisions like expanded funding for community health centers and providing an option for states to experiment with their own systems.

On the other hand, his relentless push for the single-payer model made passing the bill more complicated, some staffers working on the legislation at the time told TPM, and to say he was behind the core elements -- the exchanges, mandates, and the Medicaid expansion --- would be an exaggeration.

At the end of the day, vetting his claim depends on your definition of “write.”

“Was he involved in the creation? He was deeply involved in a variety of ways. He got some important things in there,” said John McDonough, a Harvard public health professor who wrote the 2011 book "Inside National Health Reform."


<snip>

Former Sen. Jeff Bingaman (NM) was the one Democrat who sat on both committees working on the ACA at the time. He was also a member of Baucus' Gang of Six.

“As a regular member of the [HELP] committee on the Democratic side -- we were the ones who were writing the bill because Republicans were opposing everything,” Bingaman told TPM last week. “So [Sanders] was very much involved like the rest of us.”


Bingaman remembered specifically Sanders’ community health center provision, but said that “he was a strong advocate for other parts of it, too."

Legislative staffers on the HELP Committee from that time contend that Sanders’ various contributions were meaningful ones.

“I think it is an absolutely fair claim for him to make,” said one former Democratic aide. “I would say, unequivocally, he was very involved in putting his mark on the bill.”



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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sanders-role-in-the-affordable-care-act

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Debunking the Politifact LIE on Bernie and the ACA. Senator Bingaman says (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
Rec for truth. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #1
Another day, another lie shot down. arcane1 Feb 2016 #2
I have no idea why polifact said what they did cali Feb 2016 #4
Can't cite source, SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #26
Politifact has a habit of getting their facts wrong. UCmeNdc Feb 2016 #30
I remember that too, but not the source eom passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #37
I'd take Bingaman's word, too. Perhaps Politifact... Beartracks Feb 2016 #31
That's all well and good, but how proficient is Sanders with WAR? valerief Feb 2016 #3
But then it is just a gift to insurance companies treestar Feb 2016 #5
It was better than the status quo, imperfect as it is. cali Feb 2016 #6
"better than the status quo, imperfect as it is" kjones Feb 2016 #25
My insurance sucks, but I'm better off with it than without it. arcane1 Feb 2016 #10
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #7
K&R nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #8
Kick cali Feb 2016 #9
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #11
Kick for facts. cali Feb 2016 #12
Kick. I hate lies. cali Feb 2016 #13
One more lie shot down. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #14
It is sickening cali Feb 2016 #15
Stop trying to derail a perfectly good agenda ornotna Feb 2016 #16
At the risk of sounding like a third grader... mak3cats Feb 2016 #17
Kickin' for facts! nt Plucketeer Feb 2016 #18
Politifact should correct their website now and they have been inaccurate before: Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #19
It was, at the very best, disgustingly slanted cali Feb 2016 #20
Yep. FAIR keeps up on these kinds of situations so I hope they write one up for Bernie too. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #21
Yes, of course, but sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #29
Kicked and Recced eom Arazi Feb 2016 #22
Just another 'artful smear' from the sorry sacks of shit who continuously engage this behavior. Scalded Nun Feb 2016 #23
K&R...thanks cali... nenagh Feb 2016 #24
Addressing CLinton camp lies is good practice for Team Bernie Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #27
KnR nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #28
The HRC Campaign Will Stoop To Any New Low To Win cantbeserious Feb 2016 #32
Yes, I think there is very little she wouldn't do. cali Feb 2016 #36
Anther one bites the dust. libdem4life Feb 2016 #33
Kicked and recommended for the truth! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #34
Politifact is no more credible than any other source. They shouldn't be looked to as a referee. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #35
Rachel Maddow has shamed them many, many times on her show. n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #39
He's the one who pushed for the Community Centers. cui bono Feb 2016 #38
Yes it was. That's where my primary care physician is cali Feb 2016 #40
Cali kick cali Feb 2016 #41
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. I have no idea why polifact said what they did
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

But I'll take senator Bingham's word over their word.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
26. Can't cite source,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

But I vaguely remember hearing that Politifect, ironically, is not known for total accuracy.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
31. I'd take Bingaman's word, too. Perhaps Politifact...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:09 PM
Feb 2016

... was only focusing on the explicit definition of "write" -- that is, did Bernie himself actually type the legislation up? Uh.. of course not.

Think of when you had group projects in college, and a paper was due at the end of it. Didn't one person type it all up, even though everyone contributed content? Yeah, it's like that.

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valerief

(53,235 posts)
3. That's all well and good, but how proficient is Sanders with WAR?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:28 PM
Feb 2016

You know, the country's pasttime. All this fuss about helping sick people has nothing to with WAR.

I Bernie!!!!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. But then it is just a gift to insurance companies
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:33 PM
Feb 2016

and no one gets any real care, just insurance that can't be used.

That's what I've heard here. Bernie had to do with that? I thought he was against the oligarchs. The ACA so I have heard here, right here, is only for the benefit of the oligarchs.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. It was better than the status quo, imperfect as it is.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:34 PM
Feb 2016

And sorry, but he's said that repeatedly.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
25. "better than the status quo, imperfect as it is"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:46 PM
Feb 2016

Seeing those words come from a Sanders supporter is just...

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
10. My insurance sucks, but I'm better off with it than without it.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

All it takes is non-simplistic thinking.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
14. One more lie shot down.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

Sheesh. They just keep digging their hole deeper and deeper.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. Politifact should correct their website now and they have been inaccurate before:
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:05 PM
Feb 2016
PolitiFact Is Right That Ted Cruz Is Wrong, But Still Botches Iran Deal Facts

Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz and the Tampa Bay Times‘ Pulitzer Prize-winning factchecking website PolitiFact were at each others’ throats this month over comments Cruz made about the nuclear deal–officially known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)–reached this past July between Iran and six world powers.

After a particularly blustery claim made by the Texas senator at an over-the-top rally opposing the nuclear accord–which restricts Iran’s nuclear energy and uranium enrichment programs, reaffirming their purely peaceful nature, in exchange for a lifting of international sanctions–PolitiFact (9/10/15) decided to investigate whether Cruz was telling the truth.

t the rally, and afterward on Twitter, Cruz declared that the JCPOA “will facilitate and accelerate the nation of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons.” This is, of course, a ridiculous thing to say. Beyond the fact that we’ve heard for over three decades that the advent of an Iranian nuke is just around the corner–only a few years, maybe two years, a year and half, 12 months, six weeks away!–and these estimates have never been based upon a shred of credible evidence, the enhanced monitoring and inspections implemented under the new deal effectively prevent any hypothetical Iranian move toward weaponizing its program for at least a decade, probably far longer.

And that’s if Iran does the thing it’s never ever done: decide to build a nuclear weapon, and to do so at exactly the time when its program is under the most intensive scrutiny of any nation’s program in history. The claim is absurd on its face.

Needless to say, it wasn’t too difficult for PolitiFact to judge this statement false.

But PolitiFact‘s own understanding of the parameters of the Iran deal itself was surprisingly rife with errors, something that absolutely shouldn’t happen in a factchecking article. The details, relayed by the website’s editors Louis Jacobson and W. Gardner Selby, were rendered this way:

Specifically, the deal requires Iran to give up 97 percent of its stockpile of highly enriched uranium, the kind needed to make nuclear weapons, as well as most of the centrifuges it can use to enrich uranium. In addition, Iran agrees to only enrich uranium to a level unsuitable for weapons for 15 years, and to cease production of plutonium, the other element that can be used to build a bomb. Known nuclear sites would be monitored for 15 years to confirm compliance, and inspectors would have the ability to enter undeclared sites suspected of nuclear use, though with possible delays of up to 24 days.

PolitiFact got a bunch wrong here.

in full: http://fair.org/home/politifact-is-right-that-ted-cruz-is-wrong-but-still-botches-iran-deal-facts/

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
29. Yes, of course, but
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

then this is only the beginning of how the media
will try to take him down.
I don't care what HRC's camp brings up: It is the
fight from the media, which is the most dangerous
one.

While I am glad that you corrected that lie here
on DU, for most people the article has not been
defeated, sadly.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
23. Just another 'artful smear' from the sorry sacks of shit who continuously engage this behavior.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

professional victims in action.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
27. Addressing CLinton camp lies is good practice for Team Bernie
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:49 PM
Feb 2016

He'll be doing even more of it once he's the Nominee.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
35. Politifact is no more credible than any other source. They shouldn't be looked to as a referee.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

They throw together content to get eyeballs on their website, like anybody else.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
40. Yes it was. That's where my primary care physician is
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:56 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.nchcvt.org/
About NCHC
Northern Counties Health Care, Inc. (NCHC) is committed to our Mission of enhancing the quality of life of individuals and families by providing compassionate, accessible and affordable patient-centered health services.

We do this by providing health care services in the medically underserved, three-county region of northeastern Vermont, known as the Northeast Kingdom. NCHC provides quality care to over 17,000 individuals; nearly one-third of the region’s residents. Over 65,000 encounters are made each year through a rural network of five community health centers, two dental practices, a Medicare-certified home care and hospice division, a comprehensive AIDS/HIV+ care clinic, and a partnership with three different hospitals.

NCHC was the first and is one of the largest Federally Qualified Health Center systems in Vermont, and the only one which also operates a home health care and hospice division. This means we offer an unrivaled level of care coordination for the whole family throughout the full continuum of care. We provide complete, compassionate care for the whole family, in our home or yours.

What is a Federally Qualified Health Center (FQHC)?

Spread across 50 states and all U.S. territories, more than 1,150 Federally Qualified Health Centers (FQHCs) provide vital primary care to more than 17 million Americans with limited financial resources. Directed by boards with majority consumer membership, FQHCs focus on meeting the basic health care needs of their individual communities. They maintain an open-door policy, providing treatment regardless of an individual’s income or insurance coverage. FQHCs serve community residents from all walks of life, including people enrolled in employer-based insurances, Medicare/Medicaid, or public health insurances. We also serve people with limited resources who struggle to access care through traditional channels, including the homeless, residents of public housing, migrant farm workers and others with emergent and chronic health care needs.
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They serve 20% of low-income, uninsured people.
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They save the national health care system between $9.9 billion and $17.6 billion a year by helping patients avoid emergency rooms and making better use of preventive services.
NCHC is one of the largest, and was the first Federally Qualified Health Center (FQHC) in Vermont.
NCHC was chosen as the first Medical Home/Community Care Team pilot site.
NCHC service area was the first chosen for the Vermont Blueprint for Health.
NCHC is recognized as a Patient Centered Medical Home (PCMH) by the National Committee for Quality Assurance (NCQA).

And from the mission statement of the Burlington Community Healthcare Center:


Our Values
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